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April 05, 2017, 04:11:49 AM
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There was a lot of confusion from people who incorrectly thought the repayment plan was a fundamental change to the business model or that ICN no longer represented a share of the profits from Iconomi platform.

It is a fundamental change.  The whole sales pitch of Iconomi was "You bring the $$, our crypto expertise will do the rest!"  The project received an absolutely unprecedented amount of fiat funding during the ICO, indicating a large number of investors who are novices to the crypto world.  The idea of accumulating dividends in ETH is far different from having to periodically take profits by selling off small amounts of ICN.  Plus ETH is substantially more liquid (and reliable) an asset than ICN.

Second, it means no voting on major issues by ICN holders.  This is because if you were able to distribute voting rights (i.e. "ballots") to ICN holders, you could just as easily distribute dividends to them.

Third and relatedly, (and I have brought this up on Reddit several times and still nobody has explained otherwise), stocks in traditional markets that don't pay dividends have other characteristics that ICN does not have that provide actual rather than solely speculative value to shareholders.

Traditional stocks actually let you exercise voting rights.  ICN does not.

Traditional stocks are entitled to transparent accounting and information about how the company is being run.  ICN does not.

Quick list of broken promises, just off the top of my head:
  • Team fund to be moved to segregated account in January
  • Change in service operator (and subsequent refusal to even provide proof that it exists)
  • Periodic "probably bi-weekly" AMAs on Reddit
  • Quarterly expenditure reports showing amount and area of expenses (Iconomi has divested 2000BTC in just the last month.  Where the fuck is it going/has it gone?)


Add to these that we've got no idea on the terms of the Cofoundit spin-off.  Separation payments?  ICN retained? Intellectual property transferred?  You can tell me that ICN still represents an ownership share in Iconomi.  But when IP and employees start walking out the door to "spin-offs" and we have no clue what the terms were, that doesn't feel at all like ownership.

Traditional stocks can get paid out if a company is purchased or liquidated.  That can't happen with ICN.

ICN is opaque and powerless compared to traditional stocks.  It needs to provide dividends in ETH, which has real and established value.  It feels like the team is trying to ensure ICN liquidity (nice timing...) more than it's trying to return actual solid returns to its investors.

The buyback change is like abandoning gold-backed currency in a banana republic.
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April 05, 2017, 04:28:13 AM
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"get buy orders filled before the flood of good news: product releases, marketing campaign, increased transparency."  so you are saying they are screwing with investors to get cheaper ICN??? Not a sign of a good team. They are suppose to be transparent with us from the beginning.

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April 05, 2017, 04:46:30 AM
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I feel like people are panicking, I think the buyback plan accomplishes the same thing as dividends in the long run. The problem is it's not a common way to do distribute funds to investors. It may be better for most so that they don't need to deal with the tax implications of dividends and iconomi won't need to track everyone to provide tax documentation.
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April 05, 2017, 06:27:02 AM
Last edit: April 05, 2017, 06:48:20 AM by XbladeX
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Am I missing anything? Feel free to add.

In regulated market where people have papers on every move is OK.
AUdits are made by outside companies to prove investors company transparency.
Here buyback opens ICONOMI for many "insider moves" dumping in own walls ext.
I don't tell that ICN will that do but there is change that devs can sell 15m in own walls.
But when you want dump there is no buy wall magically.
From $ managment buybacks should be better.
People should sell in every week period like 1% of all to avoid getting 0 return if hack/exploit happens or ETH fail hard in security ICN can goto 0 in hour.

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April 05, 2017, 06:33:36 AM
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Not manipulation but just market direction
once you go up once you go down.
I think that devs dumping can be reason since many of them joined 2nd project so
1st thing that they can do will be some dump.
Will see.

Yeah, right... is that your wall?

I will buy at around 30K again. Platform is not ready so price can go lower.
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April 05, 2017, 08:29:27 AM
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I have been away for a while and have no idea what identity.iconomi.net is for. I tried to login there using my credentials at ico.iconomi.net but it is not working. I tried to reset password at identity.iconomi.net and not receiving any email even though the server says email has been sent. Please explain.
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April 05, 2017, 09:11:44 AM
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is there a consensus about the Iconomi team?

honest actors, or....?
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April 05, 2017, 09:36:45 AM
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Price is stady growing up.
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April 05, 2017, 09:53:05 AM
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is there a consensus about the Iconomi team?

honest actors, or....?
Of course they are honest. Why wouldnt they be?
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April 05, 2017, 10:18:48 AM
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Price is stady growing up.

lol i think you mean down  Wink
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April 05, 2017, 10:30:28 AM
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I like the buyback but I hate to admit that cofound.it spin off is really suck.


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April 05, 2017, 10:35:41 AM
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I like the buyback but I hate to admit that cofound.it spin off is really suck.

Price may come down to 30k ,thinking of buying some ICN at this cheap price may not be the same next week
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April 05, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
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I like the buyback but I hate to admit that cofound.it spin off is really suck.

Price may come down to 30k ,thinking of buying some ICN at this cheap price may not be the same next week

So many ICN holders are in it for a quick buck. If Bitcoin price rises they sell, buy bitcoin and will buy ICN back at a cheaper rate. If bitcoin rally continues to die off we will see ICN rise again very soon... which looks immanent.
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April 05, 2017, 10:49:44 AM
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Will ICN holders get stakes in cofound.it also? if it is a project by ICONOMI, shouldn't all ICN holders get shares in cofound according to their holding?
After all all investment from cofound would come from ICONOMI.

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April 05, 2017, 10:58:49 AM
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Will ICN holders get stakes in cofound.it also? if it is a project by ICONOMI, shouldn't all ICN holders get shares in cofound according to their holding?
After all all investment from cofound would come from ICONOMI.

Iconomi will have 10% ownership in cofund.it

No investment in cofund.it will come from Iconomi. They will be running their own ICO to fund the project. They did not want to use Iconomi ICO funds to fund this project as it is not part of the original Iconomi project.

It is a completely separate company which will raise it's own funds. The 10% given back to Iconomi is just a great bonus.
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April 05, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
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No investment in cofund.it will come from Iconomi. They will be running their own ICO to fund the project. They did not want to use Iconomi ICO funds to fund this project as it is not part of the original Iconomi project.

I still don't get it ... why are they having an ICO ?
I mean ... shouldn't they be paid by the provided service?
They want to raise 2mil $ for what ? A web site to present the company? A table to sit around and coach ICOs?
How much money do you need to sit around a table and decide in which ICOs to invest, research on the web about the project, talk with the people having those projects, coach them ... ?
I mean in case of ICONOMI I can understand ... programmers costs ... servers, infrastructure, testing, marketing.
Smells to me like a new way to drain money from the people.
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April 05, 2017, 12:04:55 PM
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Smells to me like a new way to drain money from the people.

I smell the same man.I think also they don't have the tech to handle dividend distribution via smart contract.
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April 05, 2017, 12:15:16 PM
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No investment in cofund.it will come from Iconomi. They will be running their own ICO to fund the project. They did not want to use Iconomi ICO funds to fund this project as it is not part of the original Iconomi project.

I still don't get it ... why are they having an ICO ?
I mean ... shouldn't they be paid by the provided service?
They want to raise 2mil $ for what ? A web site to present the company? A table to sit around and coach ICOs?
How much money do you need to sit around a table and decide in which ICOs to invest, research on the web about the project, talk with the people having those projects, coach them ... ?
I mean in case of ICONOMI I can understand ... programmers costs ... servers, infrastructure, testing, marketing.
Smells to me like a new way to drain money from the people.
Cofound.it is not associated with ICONOMI and is not funded by ICONOMI.
Is it true?
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April 05, 2017, 12:47:28 PM
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No investment in cofund.it will come from Iconomi. They will be running their own ICO to fund the project. They did not want to use Iconomi ICO funds to fund this project as it is not part of the original Iconomi project.

I still don't get it ... why are they having an ICO ?
I mean ... shouldn't they be paid by the provided service?
They want to raise 2mil $ for what ? A web site to present the company? A table to sit around and coach ICOs?
How much money do you need to sit around a table and decide in which ICOs to invest, research on the web about the project, talk with the people having those projects, coach them ... ?
I mean in case of ICONOMI I can understand ... programmers costs ... servers, infrastructure, testing, marketing.
Smells to me like a new way to drain money from the people.
Cofound.it is not associated with ICONOMI and is not funded by ICONOMI.
Is it true?





if they are not associated, what exactly is Jani doing in the cofound.it slack then?

He rather communicate in there than in ICONOMI's own slack.

Nope, they are busy working out how to do another ICO so as to rake in millions of dollars again rather than concentrating on getting the platform

ready.

Also referring to ICONOMI's investors as "needing Babysitters" is disrespectful.

They didn't feel the need to call their investors names when they needed our Millions.

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April 05, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
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No investment in cofund.it will come from Iconomi. They will be running their own ICO to fund the project. They did not want to use Iconomi ICO funds to fund this project as it is not part of the original Iconomi project.

I still don't get it ... why are they having an ICO ?
I mean ... shouldn't they be paid by the provided service?
They want to raise 2mil $ for what ? A web site to present the company? A table to sit around and coach ICOs?
How much money do you need to sit around a table and decide in which ICOs to invest, research on the web about the project, talk with the people having those projects, coach them ... ?
I mean in case of ICONOMI I can understand ... programmers costs ... servers, infrastructure, testing, marketing.
Smells to me like a new way to drain money from the people.
Cofound.it is not associated with ICONOMI and is not funded by ICONOMI.
Is it true?





if they are not associated, what exactly is Jani doing in the cofound.it slack then?

He rather communicate in there than in ICONOMI's own slack.

Nope, they are busy working out how to do another ICO so as to rake in millions of dollars again rather than concentrating on getting the platform

ready.

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If they are doing it under the aegis of ICONOMI so as ICONOMI stake holders we should be happy because every good investment will be shared with ICN holders.
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