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[User name used]

Are you able to discern if these 12000 miners are the same or are they rotated out w new ones after x number of hours of burn in? If rotated any idea of the time frame for the rotation of each miner? Thanks!

From a pool standpoint, who cares? What is the pool difference you imagine there would be if 100PH was made up of 12000 chips, 12000 units, or 120000 units swapped out 10 times in batches of 12000?

Just doing the math on validity of cypto(BTC) difficulty percentages and probabilities. My hypothesis or question I am working is - does changing from the baseline /original platform (a defined set of specifix miners) alter the difficulty %?  For those familiar w the Monty Hall problem regarding probability (ie difficulty %) consider it this way. After you choose door 1 and Monty opens door 3 in theory you should change your original door to door 2. What if Monty instead shows you 3 new doors(replaced miners) w the third door open does that impact the probability (difficulty%) or should you still switch your choice to door two with the new set of doors?  Sorry, this is math geek stuff. But isn't that what BTC really is with great programmers behind it?

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[ComputerGenie]

1 hash = 1 hash
Unlike the scenario you present, hashes have no "stay with my 1st choice" option; every hash is nothing more than a random guess with new nonce and work being regularly distributed. You can't apply the math of a static run of trying to find 1 block with no outside forces (and an unlimited time span) and expect it to apply in active practice.

You line of thinking is akin to buying apples and oranges to see if grapes taste like bananas.

[User name used]

1 hash = 1 hash
Unlike the scenario you present, hashes have no "stay with my 1st choice" option; every hash is nothing more than a random guess with new nonce and work being regularly distributed. You can't apply the math of a static run of trying to find 1 block with no outside forces (and an unlimited time span) and expect it to apply in active practice.

You line of thinking is akin to buying apples and oranges to see if grapes taste like bananas.

Got it. Thanks.

[philipma1957]

Block history and luck calc for last 11 blocks..



"solvedby": "16sx9rJR7sDaKEB4xjHnh8Cw2Ci2mwh747",
 "date": "[2017-08-23 22:20:04.530]",
 "hash": "0000000000000000006c864f63c6dd1cde29e5c8c4ebd83842fe73e48f4cde44",
 "shares": 1487715179304,
 "diff": 161.1

"solvedby": "1AnJHGLmBBhwxTmn8avcZ9FANUpq84Aczq",
 "date": "[2017-11-29 15:32:45.652]",
 "hash": "000000000000000000309e873222d84629415a8eae2d7b529712a4d6ecf26d36",
 "shares": 1800836757564,
 "diff": 133.7

 "solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
 "date": "[2017-12-15 04:11:23.923]",
 "hash": "000000000000000000a0737d974dbfd5a6120d91fe256615649dfc8ee8f18e20",
 "shares": 476881139919,
 "diff": 30.0


 "solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
 "date": "[2018-01-05 10:34:09.327]",
 "hash": "0000000000000000003fe07d5b83f59499f7f721da189ac72437c810cd875292",
 "shares": 1767395279946,
 "diff": 91.5

 "solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
 "date": "[2018-02-05 04:14:42.773]",
 "hash": "00000000000000000033fd87f33609b610b3b40cbb20efa9f1d7928e2c74b297",
 "shares": 4136479626498,
 "diff": 158.9

 "solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
 "date": "[2018-02-28 10:45:40.533]",
 "hash": "0000000000000000003c68ad7520b43c603d08b8cc8331e9f74f8769e50e0a84",
 "shares": 3032753464239,
 "diff": 100.8

 "solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
 "date": "[2018-03-23 14:40:44.491]",
 "hash": "0000000000000000004f15b4abe9afa430e86eec4e196f627224be38ccd87429",
 "shares": 2981849120885,
 "diff": 86.1

 "solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
 "date": "[2018-03-23 21:12:31.381]",
 "hash": "000000000000000000261befb3ede7d027f7106351b3b1525c98b95be53360ea",
 "shares": 50439837910,
 "diff": 1.5

 "solvedby": "36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V",
 "date": "[2018-05-08 07:46:33.659]",
 "hash": "0000000000000000002c6c217565f1d33df67d201128e28f62a047fefc785b27",
 "shares": 7867268328933,
 "diff": 195.6

 "solvedby": "1MQqTCv74JL2TFfULftX4JXHBG7x4Yfw9X",
 "date": "[2018-05-27 16:43:29.403]",
 "hash": "000000000000000000331f064a0ba7a67fb632d3b24e2a887a6a41cd57a3f2f4",
 "shares": 7384339022492,
 "diff": 171.5

 "solvedby": "36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V",
 "date": "[2018-06-06 23:50:17.245]",
 "hash": "00000000000000000034e477d4983726e157ae232a9b4913633e28cde0a384ec",
 "shares": 8962945899752,
 "diff": 181.4


Diffs sum to 1312.1 / 11 blocks = Avg. of 119.28/block (ignoring network diff increases) OUCH!!!

So basically the last 3 blocks add to 548.5

first 8  we were  765.1/8 =  95.637

these last 3 are 182.83

brings us up to 119.28

but these are very small samples of blocks.

no cause for worry.

pop a few 25 blocks and back on track

[ComputerGenie]

If you really want to get technical, the solve rate divisor is actually +1 (due to the "1st" block actually being 2 blocks that were both under 87% during beta).

Funny that no one complained about luck for the block we hit at 30% of expected or the one at 1.5%  

[crypto_curious]

...So I am getting payouts or not?
EDIT:
Is there any "normal" way to tell if I am getting block or I am "postponed"?

I'm not sure why you keep trying to confuse yourself.

Don't blame it on me. I am just asking, I've seen stats and info there, you getting xx amount in next block. And I didn't. So why I would not expect that this is true?
You expect every new user to know that?

http://ckpool.org/pool/pool.work is the current, up to the minute, JSON data showing the result if we hit a block at that instant.
The page you're looking at on my site uses that exact data.

While the behind-the-scenes math is complex, the concept isn't:
Payouts = payouts
Postponed = postponed

If the JSON says that you're getting paid this block, then you'll get paid this block.
If the JSON says that you're postponed, then you'll get paid in a future block.

That's not very efficient way to show people this.
Your website and ckpool user stats page could say just POSTPONED or TO BE PAID NEXT and that's all.
If you postponed then you not getting anything. Right now, I need to check two places before I know if I am getting anything and if so, how much.
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.

[ComputerGenie]

...[stuff]....
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.

Point in fact, if you don't like the web page(s) that your fellow miner and/or the 0-fee pool op wrote for free (out of the kindness of their hearts), you can always sit down and write a better one on your own time....


EDIT:

http://ckpool.org/pool/pool.work ....

...Right now, I need to check two places before I know if I am getting anything and if so, how much...

You, literally, quoted a single place (1 less than 2) to go which gives you "if I am getting anything and if so, how much"....

Edit 2:

...I've seen stats and info there, you getting xx amount in next block. And I didn't.....

You didn't, because we haven't hit that next block yet. No matter how I code a page, I can't make it prepay you for a block we haven't found!

[minefarmbuy]

One block quickly can change our luck % pretty heavily. We've already gone through a slow point in April and with the added hash we're really moving now. 140 PH currently is like 600% increase to pool in the last 10 days or so (from 20-30ish?). Those who have been around it should seem to come quickly those just getting here may find it hard to bare the wait. We did shave a rough 15 day block expectation to 9 or 10 days with the growth in pool. If we lose another 2-3 days of wait now that's exceptional. We'll see how the math gods treat us.

Also before we get a worked up, remember this is a free pool. Any work done here is on the time of people not getting paid to do so. If you're not clear on how the pool works, I would read the home page and read through the thread, catch up and start conversation.

I'm a novice but I look at the work page to see if i'm in payment and check my user stats periodically. This isn't designed to be a pool to page watch, and refresh a lot. Your miners will take time to ramp up, but your still stacking herp for the block, as catch up to the pool in derp. I feel it's only a poor experience if you choose it to be, everyone here is pretty cool.

[minefarmbuy]

...[stuff]....
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.

Point in fact, if you don't like the web page(s) that your fellow miner and/or the 0-fee pool op wrote for free (out of the kindness of their hearts), you can always sit down and write a better one on your own time....

Or mine solo on your own node. ckpool seems to attract people who really get  the payout system, or it just really hard to grab at first. The point is the pool discourages hoppers, rewards you for every share submitted. Just takes time to ramp up to earn it and being a smaller pool time to find a block. Who knows maybe we'll double up like in March.

[User name used]

I hope all realize my comments questions for my learning curve. I have consistently shown appreciation to the creators here.  Luck is what it is. If you don't like one craps table you move to another because you think that one will be luckier. And look at the bright side. We will hit a block by tomorrow noon time.  (I'll tell you the time zone after we hit)

[Artemis3]

The stats for the main miner are off because they have 12000 miners which the hashmeter can no longer measure accurately and is only showing 52ph.

Any plans to fix this?

[BadgerHobbs]

The stats for the main miner are off because they have 12000 miners which the hashmeter can no longer measure accurately and is only showing 52ph.

Any plans to fix this?

Probably not worth CK's time and effort since the pool is not regularly like this, and 12000 miners is also quite an abnormal amount, so unless it becomes a regular occurrence and issue it''s not worth it.

[-ck]

The stats for the main miner are off because they have 12000 miners which the hashmeter can no longer measure accurately and is only showing 52ph.

Any plans to fix this?

Not particularly unfortunately. The locking required for one user's stats to be locally more accurate would be expensive code wise, and will adversely affect scalability of the overall pool. It's more important that the pool scales linearly with number of users. Currently the pool is servicing 12500 clients at 3200 transactions per second and could service about 20x that on the current server thanks to that scalability. At this stage there is no need to look at a bigger server as well as I'm not sure how long this hashrate will even stay with us, and unfortunately still expect a downturn again.

[crypto_curious]

...[stuff]....
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.

Point in fact, if you don't like the web page(s) that your fellow miner and/or the 0-fee pool op wrote for free (out of the kindness of their hearts), you can always sit down and write a better one on your own time....


EDIT:

http://ckpool.org/pool/pool.work ....

...Right now, I need to check two places before I know if I am getting anything and if so, how much...

You, literally, quoted a single place (1 less than 2) to go which gives you "if I am getting anything and if so, how much"....

Edit 2:

...I've seen stats and info there, you getting xx amount in next block. And I didn't.....

You didn't, because we haven't hit that next block yet. No matter how I code a page, I can't make it prepay you for a block we haven't found!

You still don't understand. There is two places to check:
http://ckpool.org/#/user or www.yourcomputergenie.com/?address=yourbtcaddress
...To check how much you getting in the block.

Last time, before block, I've checked that and I thought I am gonna get something from next block. And bang, block happened, but I've just learned that these stats are nothing without stuff below:

http://ckpool.org/#/work
To see if your address is on Payment or Postponed list. If you postponed, then first link doesn't matter, you not getting anything.

That's what every small miner have to do. Literally.
And I am not blaming anyone, or I am not requesting anything. I've asked how this work because I didn't know, don't say on me "write better interface if you don't like it", please.

EDIT: Maybe I sound hostile, but believe me I love this pool and I will stay there no matter what. Sometimes I just like to understand a little bit more what's under the hood and how to interpret what I see there. Thanks everyone for being here, including you!

[ComputerGenie]

@crypto_curious
1) you seem to be confused, somehow, by the fact that 2 places you can get information.
does this confusion also apply when you go to fuel your vehicle and you have options as to where you can purchase your fuel?

2) The information on my page and the work page are the exact same information; when you go to my page, it literally gets the information from the work page (so, it can't be different from the work page).

3) You don't have to go to my page, ever; it's merely a work in progress that I started creating to maybe help some folks.

4) My frustration with you comes from the fact that you say 1 thing now and another thing later.

...Can someone clarify?

Did you copy that before we hit the block or at the time you posted?

At the time I posted.
...

There you, literally said you looked at the information after we found a block and we haven't found another block since then; however, now you're saying:

...before block, I've checked that and I thought I am gonna get something from next block. And bang, block happened...

I'm not sure what it is that you expect when you can't communicate what actually happened to/for/with you in a way that tells the same story twice....

[-ck]

BLOCK! Waiting on confirm....

[Philopolymath]

YEAH BABY

[-ck]

Code:

[2018-06-09 02:01:12.398] Possible block solve diff 25119495971227.984375 !
[2018-06-09 02:01:12.468] BLOCK ACCEPTED!
[2018-06-09 02:01:12.779] Solved block 526657 by 36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V.0
[2018-06-09 02:01:12.879] User 36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V:{"hashrate1m": "53.4P", "hashrate5m": "53.4P", "hashrate1hr": "53.4P", "hashrate1d": "53.8P", "hashrate7d": "44P"}
[2018-06-09 02:01:12.880] Worker 36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V.0:{"hashrate1m": "53.4P", "hashrate5m": "53.5P", "hashrate1hr": "53.4P", "hashrate1d": "53.8P", "hashrate7d": "44P"}
[2018-06-09 02:15:48.288] Hash for block height 526657 confirms block was CONFIRMED

http://ckpool.org/blocks/526657.confirmed

https://btc.com/0000000000000000000b348c6fcfaa929136fb0ebe58322cd3752f764615aaca

[User name used]

Well done. It was behind door number two. Congrats!

[minefarmbuy]

Awwe yea, break out the confetti!!

We'll done everyone!!!