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Author Topic: ckpool.org ZERO FEE SPLNS no registration mining pool US/DE/CN  (Read 136294 times)
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May 22, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
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The http://www.yourcomputergenie.com/?address=1GeniexG7MnLr9WH48jG1cPLqgGbqUsaFM page I made now differentiates between those in the payout and those postponed.
It is, and probably will stay, a little bit slow because it uses 4 API calls to 3 different sites in order for diff and pricing info to be as current as possible.

Hi,
Is this the official way to determine my current balance? Is there any page about the payout? I mine using 5 pieces of dragon t1 since 3 days and my postponed balance seems to be $25 which should have to be much higher!

So i'd like to know:
- what is the payout period (or what is the estimated expected payout period)?
- what is the minimum payout?
- is there any official balance or payout info of the pool?

It's very nice to be technical description of why this algorithm is good, why better then other etc, but for and average miner it'd be much important to know the current status of his mining, And there is not any such info on the page.
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May 22, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
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...I mine using 5 pieces of dragon t1 since 3 days and my postponed balance seems to be $25 which should have to be much higher!...
At 118.1% of expected shares for one block, what makes you think that your five block difficulty payout amount should be more than $125 after only 3 days with ~80TH? The dragon miners are nice, but they're not actual dragons and as such do not produce magical amounts of hash.

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May 22, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Last edit: May 23, 2018, 02:34:33 AM by frodocooper
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Hi,
Is this the official way to determine my current balance? Is there any page about the payout? I mine using 5 pieces of dragon t1 since 3 days and my postponed balance seems to be $25 which should have to be much higher!

So i'd like to know:
- what is the payout period (or what is the estimated expected payout period)?
- what is the minimum payout?
- is there any official balance or payout info of the pool?

It's very nice to be technical description of why this algorithm is good, why better then other etc, but for and average miner it'd be much important to know the current status of his mining, And there is not any such info on the page.

you just don't understand  the method.

it is on the page one.

what you don't understand is the concept of 500%  before you get full shares.

here goes nothing.

80Th is  

80000 gh

the pool is 19ph as I type.

http://ckpool.org/

19 ph is   19,000,000

a full share for you is 80,000/19,000,000 or  0.0042105 of a each block made

so 0042105 x 12.6 = 0.053052 btc.

now the kicker is this  19,0000,000 earns  1.153 btc a day  since 500% is the goal  that is 5x 12.6 or 63 coins

63/1.153 =  54.64 days  before you get full shares...

you are at 3 days  so 3/54.64 x 0.053052 = ?     your current share   is about 0.0029128  or close to 24 days.

Your question  is why is this method better then any other?

the answer is   no method is better then this one as long as the pool maintains okay luck.

the pool is fee free
the pool gives all transaction fees                                                                                                                

below is what 108 days of mining  could do.

notice 54 days to peak your share to full
and then 54 days to zero the share out.

this is really  good if  coins jump up in price  once you peak to full.


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May 22, 2018, 06:55:17 PM
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So phil if you  have 80th  at full share  50 days from now and there is a good price spike  you get to kind of double dip.

Am I correct?
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May 22, 2018, 07:05:07 PM
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@ yankees  yes.   Lets say  in 55 days  you went from 0/55 to 55/55 share.

Lets say there is a really good price spike  to 15000 a coin.

For the next 20 days if you jump from a 500% pool  like ck's  your share drops  slowly  like

55/55 of your 80th    meanwhile  the entire 80th shifted to f2pool  paying pps   so  on this day  you are doing 160th  with only 80th in gear
54/55    "                  then on this day  you are doing 54/55 = .98 x 80 = 78th + 80 th = 158th   with only 80th in gear.
53/55    "
52/55    "
51/55    "
50/55    "
49/55    "
48/55    "
47/55    "
46/55    "
45/55
44/55
43/55
42/55
41/55
40/55
39/55
38/55
37/55
36/55
35/55

So for these 20 days  I mined 80th at f2pool  and mined about 65th in banked hash from ck  or 145th for those 20th during a price spike


At this point  I put gear back at ck's pool

wait till it goes to full share of 55/55 then hope sooner or later for the price spike.


this works only on a  price spike  upwards  but it is a powerful edge  only found by mining at ck's pool  and being at a full share when a price spike hits.

Some would argue  the same can be achieved on kano's pool but he is not fee free.

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May 22, 2018, 11:06:50 PM
Last edit: May 23, 2018, 02:36:16 AM by frodocooper
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At 118.1% of expected shares for one block, what makes you think that your five block difficulty payout amount should be more than $125 after only 3 days with ~80TH? The dragon miners are nice, but they're not actual dragons and as such do not produce magical amounts of hash.

all 5 are $25:-(
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May 22, 2018, 11:13:26 PM
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...I mine using 5 pieces of dragon t1 since 3 days and my postponed balance seems to be $25 which should have to be much higher!...
At 118.1% of expected shares for one block, what makes you think that your five block difficulty payout amount should be more than $125 after only 3 days with ~80TH? The dragon miners are nice, but they're not actual dragons and as such do not produce magical amounts of hash.

all 5 are $25:-(
You should only be using one bitcoin address. Use different worker extensions but the same bitcoin address, otherwise you risk being postponed much longer for payouts.

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May 23, 2018, 10:37:36 PM
Last edit: May 24, 2018, 01:19:29 AM by frodocooper
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You should only be using one bitcoin address. Use different worker extensions but the same bitcoin address, otherwise you risk being postponed much longer for payouts.

I use one bitcoin address with 5 workers...
http://www.yourcomputergenie.com/?address=3JBqoMHW7d94rt8iA6KNme9hdos8f51dso
does it means after 6 days my estimated balance is 32 usd?
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May 23, 2018, 10:39:20 PM
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all 5 are $25:-(
You should only be using one bitcoin address. Use different worker extensions but the same bitcoin address, otherwise you risk being postponed much longer for payouts.

I use one bitcoin address with 5 workers...
Then I misunderstood what you were talking about when you said "all 5 are $25." I guess you meant all 5 add up to only $25

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May 23, 2018, 11:41:38 PM
Last edit: May 24, 2018, 01:20:35 AM by frodocooper
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I use one bitcoin address with 5 workers...
http://www.yourcomputergenie.com/?address=3JBqoMHW7d94rt8iA6KNme9hdos8f51dso
does it means after 6 days my estimated balance is 32 usd?

yes and it will grow  each day until  about day 50 .

a nice thing now is coins are down so  if you stick around until day  50 and coins spike after that you can do what I mentioned a few posts earlier.

I mine alt coins with https://simplemining.net...
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May 24, 2018, 12:33:10 AM
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The main thing you're missing is that we get paid spanning 5 times the network difficulty (5 blocks in theory, more like 3-4 with the current pool rate). That means that your calculated payout for the current block isn't the only payout you get (especially if you've yet to hit the 5N mark).

It's hard to understand, at first, so I'll use fairly rounded even numbers to try to explain....

At 30 PH, we should find a block ever 6.5 days.
So, if you start mining right after we find a block, you will see your complete 5N results at 33 days.
Assuming no new growth and you continue mining, the calculated reward that you have at 33 days is close to what you could expect to get out of every block.
At no point do any calculations include "everything you'll ever get", because 5N rewards don't work that way (in any pool).

For every block that the pool hits before that 33 day period, your reward will still be growing.

For every block that the pool hits after you stop mining, your reward will gradually decrease.

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May 24, 2018, 03:21:22 AM
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Great explanations. After reading them twice I now understand it enough. Like I said, I will stay a loyal member for as long as my miners work  Wink
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May 24, 2018, 10:21:14 AM
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If I’m reading the payout correctly it states that the miner gets a reward who finds the block. Say exact reward amount varies upon several  factors... out of curiosity (if I’m even reading this correctly) what is the reward ROUGHLY. I believe it varies as I stated but would be it like 1btc, 0.1btc or 0.01btc? Was just curious and figured I would ask...

Ps there have been 1,000 payout related questions in the life of this thread and the members are always so extremely helpful in understanding it instead of saying “do a search” or “read page xx” 
I think it’s very cool of you guys being so patient and helpful!!
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May 24, 2018, 10:28:19 AM
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If I’m reading the payout correctly it states that the miner gets a reward who finds the block. Say exact reward amount varies upon several  factors... out of curiosity (if I’m even reading this correctly) what is the reward ROUGHLY. I believe it varies as I stated but would be it like 1btc, 0.1btc or 0.01btc? Was just curious and figured I would ask...

Ps there have been 1,000 payout related questions in the life of this thread and the members are always so extremely helpful in understanding it instead of saying “do a search” or “read page xx” 
I think it’s very cool of you guys being so patient and helpful!!


do you mean this?

"Lucky rewards - since shares are weighted by the difficulty of the share found, if you are a small miner that has a handful of lucky high diff shares, you can earn significantly more, capped at current network difficulty.
Block finder rewards - as per lucky rewards, a large share weight is attached to block finds (but is applied to the next block reward since user rewards are included in the existing unsolved block reward.) The sooner the next block is found, the higher the block finder reward is."


from home page
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May 24, 2018, 07:57:49 PM
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good evening every one,

i have a antminer v9 when i connect it with the pool i got alot of hw.
when i connect it with a different pool i do not get any hw.

i tried the 2 different poorts the 443 get me less hw but still have it.

does some one know how i can put a start diff for the v9.
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May 24, 2018, 08:13:54 PM
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good evening every one,

i have a antminer v9 when i connect it with the pool i got alot of hw.
when i connect it with a different pool i do not get any hw.

i tried the 2 different poorts the 443 get me less hw but still have it.

does some one know how i can put a start diff for the v9.


Point your device to pool.ckpool.org:3333 and enter your bitcoin address. That's all you do. If you have a lot of HW errors from mining then your device is faulty.
Show us screenshots from mining here for at least one hour.
And screenshot from mining somewhere else for at least one hour, so we can compare.
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May 24, 2018, 09:18:54 PM
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good evening every one,

i have a antminer v9 when i connect it with the pool i got alot of hw.
when i connect it with a different pool i do not get any hw.

i tried the 2 different poorts the 443 get me less hw but still have it.

does some one know how i can put a start diff for the v9.

It's impossible for the pool to cause hardware errors in your device. Bitmain's drivers are garbage and they are probably just doing diff calculation wrong with a different value for diff than this pool provides and they are having to classify low diff shares as hardware errors. Just ignore them if the displayed hashrate is still okay.

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May 25, 2018, 12:07:14 AM
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Heeerrre blocky blocky block!!  Time for a CKPool solve!!
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May 25, 2018, 05:49:00 AM
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If I’m reading the payout correctly it states that the miner gets a reward who finds the block. Say exact reward amount varies upon several  factors... out of curiosity (if I’m even reading this correctly) what is the reward ROUGHLY. I believe it varies as I stated but would be it like 1btc, 0.1btc or 0.01btc? Was just curious and figured I would ask...

Ps there have been 1,000 payout related questions in the life of this thread and the members are always so extremely helpful in understanding it instead of saying “do a search” or “read page xx” 
I think it’s very cool of you guys being so patient and helpful!!


do you mean this?

"Lucky rewards - since shares are weighted by the difficulty of the share found, if you are a small miner that has a handful of lucky high diff shares, you can earn significantly more, capped at current network difficulty.
Block finder rewards - as per lucky rewards, a large share weight is attached to block finds (but is applied to the next block reward since user rewards are included in the existing unsolved block reward.) The sooner the next block is found, the higher the block finder reward is."


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http://ckpool.org/


yes that is what i was referring to...
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May 25, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
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Since part of this world of BTC mining is based on luck. Does the variance of 3-5 PH reduction / increase nightly screw w our expectations to find blocks? Just seems when you have that many miner power cutting off to the degree they do this pool has a distorted luck expectation. Just honest thought not trying to stir the pot. Still getting up to speed on this.
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