Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[craked5]

Ok I'd just like to know if there is a whole conspiracy behind vaccins going on since... Well at least for 2 centuries, why are all doctors fully in?
It means ALL DOCTORS are machiavelous traitors?
That they all just have 0 ethics without exception?

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[Eternad]

Ok I'd just like to know if there is a whole conspiracy behind vaccins going on since... Well at least for 2 centuries, why are all doctors fully in?
It means ALL DOCTORS are machiavelous traitors?
That they all just have 0 ethics without exception?

This is just another conspiracy but still not proved. Doctors will not put their reputation in line by recommending vaccine that can harm to the people because it is against to their oat. It is still theoretical and still not proven.

[tvbcof]

Ok I'd just like to know if there is a whole conspiracy behind vaccins going on since... Well at least for 2 centuries, why are all doctors fully in?
It means ALL DOCTORS are machiavelous traitors?
That they all just have 0 ethics without exception?

In the West in particular there was a concerted effort to promote 'allopathic' medicine and deprecate other forms of healing which started well over a century ago.  This was done in in part by funding medical programs and influencing the government to sanction preferred medical paradigms and trade organizations.  Allopathic medicine tends to rely heavily on pharmaceutical products and there is an increasingly ugly incestuous relationship between corporate, government, and academia going on here.

Medical doctors put their pants on the same way as do everyone else.  One needs a generally high IQ to get through medical school, but that does not mean they or Gods above Men or whatever.  Most of them have a better than average understanding of certain fundamentals of biology and half a day or so of instruction on vaccine science (or dogma).  Those who stop there are easily outpaced by an interested non-medically trained individual who studies the subject for a while, and especially when such an individual has the same basic background in the fundamentals of biology, ecology, etc.

It is also the case that many many medical doctors have their own mis-givings about vaccine regimes and the number is growing.  Most of my own most valuable insights into issues with vaccine technology comes straight from formally trained medical doctors.  It is propaganda that makes people believe that 'all doctors' think one thing or another.  Many do not, and many of these have first-hand experience with some of the malfeasance within the establishment systems.  Only a relatively few people have what it takes to buck the system when it means financial ruin and flushing a lifetime of career development down the toilet.

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An amusing saying from the days of old when there were options in medical service (paraphrased since I cannot find reference):

Allopathic:  Patient dies from the cure of the disease.
Naturalpathic: Patient dies for the disease.

For my part, I'll try to make informed decisions on a case by case basis about what services I'll use.  I'm not buying a lot of the bullshit about high blood pressure, too much 'bad cholesterol', etc, etc.  OTOH, I'll be first in line for rabies vaccine if I get bitten by a rabid animal.

[mainpmf]

Tss...

Well I don't care as long as you people get vaccinated.
For the rest you can chose whatever medicine you prefer.
Go for plants and vitamins and whatever you want. Pray if that's how you want to get treated.

But vaccins shouldn't be an option. It's a public duty. You either get vaccinated or stop going to school and public places.

[tvbcof]

Tss...

Well I don't care as long as you people get vaccinated.
For the rest you can chose whatever medicine you prefer.
Go for plants and vitamins and whatever you want. Pray if that's how you want to get treated.

But vaccins shouldn't be an option. It's a public duty. You either get vaccinated or stop going to school and public places.

By taking this position, you have taken on the responsibility for any and all of the potential malfeasance of corp/gov who brought us to this situation (so you better be damn sure you've done your due diligence and research here just as many of us who have some concerns have done.)  When armed enforcement handcuffs us and inject us with whatever the board of directors of Merck & Co., Inc wish, your contribution will not be forgotten.  Especially as the rate of prescription drug use continues to climb through the current 3in5 Americans and more and more people start wondering about the factors which brought us to this situation.

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."  -- Herman Goering

Same shit, different assholes.

edit: slight.

[BADecker]

Tss...

Well I don't care as long as you people get vaccinated.
For the rest you can chose whatever medicine you prefer.
Go for plants and vitamins and whatever you want. Pray if that's how you want to get treated.

But vaccins shouldn't be an option. It's a public duty. You either get vaccinated or stop going to school and public places.

Actually, if freedom is going to be taken away, it should be your freedom to be vaccinated that should be taken away. It should be the law that anybody who is vaccinated voluntarily should be executed.

[tvbcof]

Tss...

Well I don't care as long as you people get vaccinated.
For the rest you can chose whatever medicine you prefer.
Go for plants and vitamins and whatever you want. Pray if that's how you want to get treated.

But vaccins shouldn't be an option. It's a public duty. You either get vaccinated or stop going to school and public places.

Actually, if freedom is going to be taken away, it should be your freedom to be vaccinated that should be taken away. It should be the law that anybody who is vaccinated voluntarily should be executed.

I few years ago I would have considered certain 'BADecker-ish' things to be totally nuts where now I consider them in the very possible category.  One of these is the conjecture that some of the most influential people in the driver's seats are genuine Luciferians.  This would include a certain fairly small segment at the top of the pharmaceutical industry.  For this reason I did put some effort into trying to figure out what makes these people tick.

One fascinating theory which seems to match up with observations quite well is that they actually do have an ethical principle which can be paraphrased as so:

 - People must have at least the theoretical ability to know what's happening to them.  Failure to object implies consent.

This would explain the vaccine inserts which very few people read, but which state that, for instance, no studies have been done on pregnant women, and they vaccines can cause a wide variety of problems up to and including death.  It would also help explain why it is actually not that difficult to find information making it pretty clear what is going on (historical fiction, whistle-blowers, presentations by doctors who've bowed out of the system, etc) if one does a little bit of looking.

The philosophy seems to be that there is no obligation that things need to be turned into a 'for dummies' book...just that information is available.

A corollary seems to be that if there is a 'proxy' which supplies muscle, then the original offender is off the hook.  In practice this means that if a population can be propagandized into, say, demanding that their peers are assaulted, then a project is ethically acceptable on the part of the designers.

The basis for a lot of these principles seem to be expressed fairly clearly in un-edited versions of the Babylonian Talmud.  This body of philosophical thought seems to be the basis for Kabbalah which itself seems to be the basis for a variety of esoteric spin-off philosophies.  In part, perhaps, because Kabbalah was kind of exclusive to Hebrew speakers (until recently) and other's had a desire to get in on the action.

Anyway, that's kind of where my fairly recent research is pointing me.

[Lancusters]

Tss...

Well I don't care as long as you people get vaccinated.
For the rest you can chose whatever medicine you prefer.
Go for plants and vitamins and whatever you want. Pray if that's how you want to get treated.

But vaccins shouldn't be an option. It's a public duty. You either get vaccinated or stop going to school and public places.

In a sense, you propose to deprive a person of choice. It is not correct. There is always a chance that non-vaccinated people cannot get sick. I think it would be better if those who refuse vaccination will be forced to insure. If the person is not sick his insurance needs to be paid to his family after his death.

[BADecker]

Tss...

Well I don't care as long as you people get vaccinated.
For the rest you can chose whatever medicine you prefer.
Go for plants and vitamins and whatever you want. Pray if that's how you want to get treated.

But vaccins shouldn't be an option. It's a public duty. You either get vaccinated or stop going to school and public places.

In a sense, you propose to deprive a person of choice. It is not correct. There is always a chance that non-vaccinated people cannot get sick. I think it would be better if those who refuse vaccination will be forced to insure. If the person is not sick his insurance needs to be paid to his family after his death.

And vaccinated folks get sick all the time. A few of them die from it. What's the use of getting vaccinated if you are going to die from it?

[Sithara007]

And vaccinated folks get sick all the time. A few of them die from it. What's the use of getting vaccinated if you are going to die from it?

If I m am vaccinated against Polio, then the chances of me getting that disease is less than 0.000000001%. The chances of dying from it are even lower. Now compare the unvaccinated. The percentage is much higher.

[Elwar]

Tss...

Well I don't care as long as you people get vaccinated.
For the rest you can chose whatever medicine you prefer.
Go for plants and vitamins and whatever you want. Pray if that's how you want to get treated.

But vaccins shouldn't be an option. It's a public duty. You either get vaccinated or stop going to school and public places.

And this is why we try to educate people.

Today's opinions are so easily backed by the force of guns.

[BADecker]

And vaccinated folks get sick all the time. A few of them die from it. What's the use of getting vaccinated if you are going to die from it?

If I m am vaccinated against Polio, then the chances of me getting that disease is less than 0.000000001%. The chances of dying from it are even lower. Now compare the unvaccinated. The percentage is much higher.

Just saying so, doesn't make it happen. The medical won't do the studies where they compare vaccinated against non-vaccinated in all the ways that it will take to see if the vaccination works or not. .

[Elwar]

Pro vaxxer: Vaccinations work!
Pro vaxxer: don't infect me bro
(even though supposedly vaccines work).

[BADecker]

Pro vaxxer: Vaccinations work!
Pro vaxxer: don't infect me bro
(even though supposedly vaccines work).

Right.

I mean, if vaccinations worked, why would any vaccinated person be afraid of a sick person? He couldn't transmit the disease to the vaccinated person... if vaccination worked, right?

[tvbcof]

Pro vaxxer: Vaccinations work!
Pro vaxxer: don't infect me bro
(even though supposedly vaccines work).

Right.

I mean, if vaccinations worked, why would any vaccinated person be afraid of a sick person? He couldn't transmit the disease to the vaccinated person... if vaccination worked, right?

The propaganda tells them that unless 70% 85% 90% 95% 97% of people are vaccinated 'we' won't have 'herd immunity' and sickness will sweep through.

I guess they didn't stop to think 'sweep through what?' if so many people are supposedly immune.

I guess they also didn't stop to think that other countries which don't vaccinate to our schedules don't seem to have 'epidemics'....although half a dozen people getting sick at Disneyland constitutes an epidemic of existential proportions to these nit-wits as long as the mainstream media says it is so.

The vaxxers say they are protecting the 'weak' in our society who are not strong enough to be vaccinated (even though vaccines are so safe that it is crazy to question them and there are no 'tests' given to see who can handle them and who cannot.)  I'll tell you who cannot handle the vaccines:  The affluent class who have the money to pay off a private doctor and get a waiver.  It is kind of true, though, that their kids need to be able to perform against other non-damaged affluent kids in ivy-league schools and after that in a professional vocations.  It is unfair to compare them to kids who are going to grow up to a career as a checker at 7-11.

[Elwar]

Pro vaxxer: Vaccinations work!
Pro vaxxer: don't infect me bro
(even though supposedly vaccines work).

Right.

I mean, if vaccinations worked, why would any vaccinated person be afraid of a sick person? He couldn't transmit the disease to the vaccinated person... if vaccination worked, right?

The propaganda tells them that unless 70% 85% 90% 95% 97% of people are vaccinated 'we' won't have 'herd immunity' and sickness will sweep through.

I guess they didn't stop to think 'sweep through what?' if so many people are supposedly immune.

I guess they also didn't stop to think that other countries which don't vaccinate to our schedules don't seem to have 'epidemics'....although half a dozen people getting sick at Disneyland constitutes an epidemic of existential proportions to these nit-wits as long as the mainstream media says it is so.

The vaxxers say they are protecting the 'weak' in our society who are not strong enough to be vaccinated (even though vaccines are so safe that it is crazy to question them and there are no 'tests' given to see who can handle them and who cannot.)  I'll tell you who cannot handle the vaccines:  The affluent class who have the money to pay off a private doctor and get a waiver.  It is kind of true, though, that their kids need to be able to perform against other non-damaged affluent kids in ivy-league schools and after that in a professional vocations.  It is unfair to compare them to kids who are going to grow up to a career as a checker at 7-11.

Exactly. I was asked once why I vaccinate my dogs and not myself. Other than most facilities require proof of vaccines, if my dog turns into an idiot it only makes him cute. It doesn't fuck up his entire ability to fend for himself in the future.

[craked5]

Ok I'd just like to know if there is a whole conspiracy behind vaccins going on since... Well at least for 2 centuries, why are all doctors fully in?
It means ALL DOCTORS are machiavelous traitors?
That they all just have 0 ethics without exception?

In the West in particular there was a concerted effort to promote 'allopathic' medicine and deprecate other forms of healing which started well over a century ago.  This was done in in part by funding medical programs and influencing the government to sanction preferred medical paradigms and trade organizations.  Allopathic medicine tends to rely heavily on pharmaceutical products and there is an increasingly ugly incestuous relationship between corporate, government, and academia going on here.

Medical doctors put their pants on the same way as do everyone else.  One needs a generally high IQ to get through medical school, but that does not mean they or Gods above Men or whatever.  Most of them have a better than average understanding of certain fundamentals of biology and half a day or so of instruction on vaccine science (or dogma).  Those who stop there are easily outpaced by an interested non-medically trained individual who studies the subject for a while, and especially when such an individual has the same basic background in the fundamentals of biology, ecology, etc.

It is also the case that many many medical doctors have their own mis-givings about vaccine regimes and the number is growing.  Most of my own most valuable insights into issues with vaccine technology comes straight from formally trained medical doctors.  It is propaganda that makes people believe that 'all doctors' think one thing or another.  Many do not, and many of these have first-hand experience with some of the malfeasance within the establishment systems.  Only a relatively few people have what it takes to buck the system when it means financial ruin and flushing a lifetime of career development down the toilet.

---

An amusing saying from the days of old when there were options in medical service (paraphrased since I cannot find reference):

Allopathic:  Patient dies from the cure of the disease.
Naturalpathic: Patient dies for the disease.

For my part, I'll try to make informed decisions on a case by case basis about what services I'll use.  I'm not buying a lot of the bullshit about high blood pressure, too much 'bad cholesterol', etc, etc.  OTOH, I'll be first in line for rabies vaccine if I get bitten by a rabid animal.

So for you in fact everyone is wrong apart from you...
Doctors, searchers, scientists...
They're all wrong, you're the only one who saw what's really happening: that vaccins are in fact harmful and you shouldn't take them.

And you don't see why I have a problem with your theory? xD

[mainpmf]

Being vaccinated is a duty simply for all those that can't...

Some people are allergic to vaccins and if you're not vaccinated you allow the disease to spread to them.
Someone vaccinated can't get REALLY harmed even if they can get slithly sick. But very young children and people enable to take vaccins are still affected.

[BADecker]

Ok I'd just like to know if there is a whole conspiracy behind vaccins going on since... Well at least for 2 centuries, why are all doctors fully in?
It means ALL DOCTORS are machiavelous traitors?
That they all just have 0 ethics without exception?

This isn't exactly true. A doctor starts out trusting the system. He is there to help people and make money at the same time. By the time he finds out that the system isn't quite right, he has a family to support. The family idea, and the helping people idea, are two things that keep him trying to make the system work correctly.

Many doctors have turned to nutrition in their private practice. If the medical knew what they were doing, they might yank their license.

[Joshua101101]

Ok I'd just like to know if there is a whole conspiracy behind vaccins going on since... Well at least for 2 centuries, why are all doctors fully in?
It means ALL DOCTORS are machiavelous traitors?
That they all just have 0 ethics without exception?

This isn't exactly true. A doctor starts out trusting the system. He is there to help people and make money at the same time. By the time he finds out that the system isn't quite right, he has a family to support. The family idea, and the helping people idea, are two things that keep him trying to make the system work correctly.

Many doctors have turned to nutrition in their private practice. If the medical knew what they were doing, they might yank their license.

At us many doctors cooperate with the pharmaceutical companies and try to appoint specially a heap of unnecessary medicines to earn more money. A vaccine is sometimes needed, but not in this way