Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[bryant.coleman]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

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[BADecker]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

[ZzV1Finn]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

For example, in order not to get sick with flu, it is enough to avoid hypothermia, maintain your immunity with vitamins and observe personal hygiene rules. Only every year they impose new vaccines against new influenza viruses that appeared earlier than the virus itself. It's all business.

[tvbcof]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

It's a stone-cold fact that for many years people who got the polio vaccine also got an injection of SV40 virus which was along for the ride.  SV40 is certainly associated with a variety of cancers and can be found in a lot of malignancies today.  Like around half according to some researchers...who quickly became persona-non-grata...  But cancer is not a problem, right?  My grandparents are batting 4/4 in getting cancer.  Three died from it and the other one lost her leg when she was in her 60's.

Speaking of undetected viruses which come along for the ride in some vaccines, one of the more recent vaccines is rotovirus.  This malady afflicts people who work in rice paddies all day, but is of pretty dubious value for Western urban dwellers.  Non-the-less it is part of the vaccine regime here.  Part of the reason is probably because the patent holder, who also sits on the board deciding what to inject into kids, makes unknown millions of dollars off of it.  His name is Dr. Paul Offit (ironically enough.)  You'll see him all over the mainstream media extolling the virtues of vaccination and claiming that it is perfectly safe for an infant to have 10,000 vaccinations at one time.

Funny thing about rotovirus is that both Merck (iirc) and GSK (British) manufactured the stuff.  Then, after it had been in use for a while, someone discovered and undiscovered pig virus in GSK's offering.  The American authorities halted injection until the issue was more well understood.  Then the same pig virus and another undetected one were found in Merck's product.  The CDC (and/or FDA or some American authorities) then quickly decided that the undetected viruses were no big deal and both Merck and GSK were allowed to continue business as usual.

 

[BADecker]

Dr. Judy A Mikovits, PhD (Molecular Biologist)
interview on gov't execution squads;
vaccine studies.

Dr. Judy Mikovits, PhD (molecular biologist) on CDC corruption/vaccine education; government execution squads for mass murder of naturopaths, scientists, and journalists who oppose mercury in vaccinations; Top Oncology News (Jury awards record-setting $110.5M in baby powder lawsuit)

Judy testified on a lawsuit for Racketeering and conspiracy against the CA legislators who passed the SB277 mandating toxins be inoculated in their children under the guise of vaccination and she will re-cap her testimony...

Judy A. Mikovits, PhD has spent her life training to be a research scientist to honor her grandfather who died of cancer when she was a teenager. Dr. Mikovits earned her BA from University of Virginia and PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology from George Washington University. In her 35-year quest to understand and treat chronic diseases, she has studied immunology, natural products chemistry, epigenetics, virology and drug development. In just over twenty years she rose from an entry-level lab technician to become director of the lab of Antiviral Drug Mechanisms at the National Cancer Institute before leaving to direct the Cancer Biology program at EpiGenX Pharmaceuticals in Santa Barbara, California where she had met and married David Nolde in 2000. There in 2006, she became attracted to the plight of patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Autism. In only five years she developed the first neuroimmune institute from a concept to a reality and is primarily responsible for demonstrating the relationship between immune based inflammation and these diseases. She has published over 50 scientific papers.

Read more and listen to/watch the videos at http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/218144-2017-05-16-dr-judy-a-mikovits-phd-molecular-biologist-interview-on-govt.htm.

[craked5]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

Wtf are you talking about?
Mutation are rare so evolution couldn't have happened?
Do you know the difference between rare and non existent?

[Proton2233]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

For example, in order not to get sick with flu, it is enough to avoid hypothermia, maintain your immunity with vitamins and observe personal hygiene rules. Only every year they impose new vaccines against new influenza viruses that appeared earlier than the virus itself. It's all business.

The flu vaccine is a Scam. There are many varieties of flu, and everyone against the vaccine. Never know what kind of virus will be distributed this year. You're not going to do a dozen vaccinations. Your immune system is the best vaccination against influenza virus.

[craked5]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

For example, in order not to get sick with flu, it is enough to avoid hypothermia, maintain your immunity with vitamins and observe personal hygiene rules. Only every year they impose new vaccines against new influenza viruses that appeared earlier than the virus itself. It's all business.

The flu vaccine is a Scam. There are many varieties of flu, and everyone against the vaccine. Never know what kind of virus will be distributed this year. You're not going to do a dozen vaccinations. Your immune system is the best vaccination against influenza virus.

It's not a scam it's very important...
If you don't get flu vaccine you're going to get sick and the disease is hardly curable without antibiotics.
And the problem is that antibiotics seem to have disastrous effects on long term...

[Palmerson]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

For example, in order not to get sick with flu, it is enough to avoid hypothermia, maintain your immunity with vitamins and observe personal hygiene rules. Only every year they impose new vaccines against new influenza viruses that appeared earlier than the virus itself. It's all business.

The flu vaccine is a Scam. There are many varieties of flu, and everyone against the vaccine. Never know what kind of virus will be distributed this year. You're not going to do a dozen vaccinations. Your immune system is the best vaccination against influenza virus.

It's not a scam it's very important...
If you don't get flu vaccine you're going to get sick and the disease is hardly curable without antibiotics.
And the problem is that antibiotics seem to have disastrous effects on long term...

You are wrong. I was never vaccinated against influenza and have no problems. If you get vaccinated this year is from some type of flu? Avian, swine canine, feline, I don't know what else will come up with these scammers. I am sure if they find out that you have the money you will be offered.

[mothergodness]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

For example, in order not to get sick with flu, it is enough to avoid hypothermia, maintain your immunity with vitamins and observe personal hygiene rules. Only every year they impose new vaccines against new influenza viruses that appeared earlier than the virus itself. It's all business.

The flu vaccine is a Scam. There are many varieties of flu, and everyone against the vaccine. Never know what kind of virus will be distributed this year. You're not going to do a dozen vaccinations. Your immune system is the best vaccination against influenza virus.

It's not a scam it's very important...
If you don't get flu vaccine you're going to get sick and the disease is hardly curable without antibiotics.
And the problem is that antibiotics seem to have disastrous effects on long term...

You are wrong. I was never vaccinated against influenza and have no problems. If you get vaccinated this year is from some type of flu? Avian, swine canine, feline, I don't know what else will come up with these scammers. I am sure if they find out that you have the money you will be offered.

Yes, they earn each year on a new kind of flu which maybe even never and will not exist. I do not get vaccinated against the flu and they never got sick.

[craked5]

Ah ok you talk about this

I thought you were talking about simple flu, just the flu you know the normal usual flu.

For the others... Well it's a bit strange to get vaccinated on a disease that stil doesn't exist ^^'
I can understand why people do it but it seemsa bit... Excessive to me.

[vok-wok_hok]

Vaccinations become obsolete every year, because new viruses are constantly appearing and it will be more effective to improve immunity in a healthy way, rather than letting all kinds of vaccines.

Virus mutations are rare, but deadly. A perfect example is that of the influenza virus. It mutates very frequently, which makes it extremely difficult for the scientists to develop vaccines. But the other viruses, such as Polio and smallpox have remained stable for the past hundreds of years. So vaccines work 99% of the time, but for the remaining 1%, we don't have any remedy.

Thanks for telling us about deadly virus mutations which are rare. This shows that beneficial mutations don't come about at all, and evolution couldn't have happened. Dead viruses are dangerous. Stop vaccinations.

For example, in order not to get sick with flu, it is enough to avoid hypothermia, maintain your immunity with vitamins and observe personal hygiene rules. Only every year they impose new vaccines against new influenza viruses that appeared earlier than the virus itself. It's all business.

The flu vaccine is a Scam. There are many varieties of flu, and everyone against the vaccine. Never know what kind of virus will be distributed this year. You're not going to do a dozen vaccinations. Your immune system is the best vaccination against influenza virus.

Yes, only if you do not buy a vaccine against the flu, then the pharmaceutical business will start to go bankrupt. Therefore, they every year make a powerful advertisement for very gullible people.

[tvbcof]

It's not a scam it's very important...
If you don't get flu vaccine you're going to get sick and the disease is hardly curable without antibiotics.
And the problem is that antibiotics seem to have disastrous effects on long term...

Flu is viral.  Antibiotics are of zero value unless treating some sort of a bacterial infection.

The only 'disastrous effects' antibiotics have is that people mis-use them and use them where they don't apply out of basic ignorance.  Doctors will sometimes give a patient antibiotics when a patient asks because it is the easiest way to get them to leave the office.  And they don't have a 'disastrous effects'.  Over-use can and does lead to antibiotic resistance in bacteria which can and is a problem ecologically.  For an individual they appear to be one of the more safe and well understood drugs.

Almost everyone gets over the flu.  Some people who are near the end or unlucky will be pushed over the edge and will 'die from the flu'.  Usually they would die from something else fairly soon anyway.

It irks me that an army of aggressively ignorant propagandized drones who don't even understand the most basic thing about antibiotics are going to be the muscle that supports forcing everyone at gunpoint to the clinic to be injected with whatever Merck wants to inject.  Well, not 'everyone'.  The affluent who have private doctors will be able to buy their way out, and I suspect that I will be able to as well.  I specifically go uninsured and pay the Obamacare fine because I'm betting that the vaccine mandate will apply to everyone on government health care.

[BADecker]

I find the arguments to not vaccinate simply stupid and not based on any scientific evidence. Diseases which had disappeared started to reappear because of people not vaccinating their children, risking the lives of others at the same time.

This thread is about the evidence. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence to show that vaccination works where other things fail. The thing that is being proven is that even if vaccination works, there are other, worse things caused by the vaccination than the benefits received from the vaccination.

Lets finally do the studies. But the medical doesn't want to. Why?

[Lieldoryn]

I find the arguments to not vaccinate simply stupid and not based on any scientific evidence. Diseases which had disappeared started to reappear because of people not vaccinating their children, risking the lives of others at the same time.

This thread is about the evidence. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence to show that vaccination works where other things fail. The thing that is being proven is that even if vaccination works, there are other, worse things caused by the vaccination than the benefits received from the vaccination.

Lets finally do the studies. But the medical doesn't want to. Why?

Look at the number of epidemics in Africa where medicine is poorly developed and many people are not vaccinated and in the West where almost everyone is vaccinated. Isn't that a proof h that vaccines work.

[tvbcof]

I find the arguments to not vaccinate simply stupid and not based on any scientific evidence. Diseases which had disappeared started to reappear because of people not vaccinating their children, risking the lives of others at the same time.

This thread is about the evidence. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence to show that vaccination works where other things fail. The thing that is being proven is that even if vaccination works, there are other, worse things caused by the vaccination than the benefits received from the vaccination.

Lets finally do the studies. But the medical doesn't want to. Why?

Look at the number of epidemics in Africa where medicine is poorly developed and many people are not vaccinated and in the West where almost everyone is vaccinated. Isn't that a proof h that vaccines work.

Less malnutrition and constantly improving sanitation mostly, and that is directly associated with wealth.  Looking at the charts, it's pretty clear that vaccines had little or nothing to do with the decline of various infectious diseases.  These snake-oil salesmen saw a trend and tried to take credit for it.  Successfully due in no small part because the same basic people also own the media and 'control the narrative.'  They also basically own the curriculum from k --> {n} and teach people NOT to think for themselves.

From: https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/



Note that Scarlet Fever never did have a vaccine and it's trajectory is pretty much the same.

[BADecker]

I find the arguments to not vaccinate simply stupid and not based on any scientific evidence. Diseases which had disappeared started to reappear because of people not vaccinating their children, risking the lives of others at the same time.

This thread is about the evidence. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence to show that vaccination works where other things fail. The thing that is being proven is that even if vaccination works, there are other, worse things caused by the vaccination than the benefits received from the vaccination.

Lets finally do the studies. But the medical doesn't want to. Why?

Look at the number of epidemics in Africa where medicine is poorly developed and many people are not vaccinated and in the West where almost everyone is vaccinated. Isn't that a proof h that vaccines work.

Less malnutrition and constantly improving sanitation mostly, and that is directly associated with wealth.  Looking at the charts, it's pretty clear that vaccines had little or nothing to do with the decline of various infectious diseases.  These snake-oil salesmen saw a trend and tried to take credit for it.  Successfully due in no small part because the same basic people also own the media and 'control the narrative.'  They also basically own the curriculum from k --> {n} and teach people NOT to think for themselves.

From: https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/



Note that Scarlet Fever never did have a vaccine and it's trajectory is pretty much the same.

It's probably the cigarettes. Probably smoking is killing off disease, and that is why the FDA is trying hard to ban it.

[tvbcof]

It's probably the cigarettes. Probably smoking is killing off disease, and that is why the FDA is trying hard to ban it.

You know...

At this point, after all of my research, I actually consider it as likely as not that anything which, according to 'the authorities', I'm not supposed to do is actually healthy.  At least in ways that are important to me.  Salt is a good example.  Lots of dairy products and meat another.  As for nicotine, I'll bet that it increases intellectual ability, and especially in old age (thus offsetting all of the hard work of getting fluoride in the water.)  I heavily abuse all of these substances and am one of the most healthy people I know of.

My research into vaccination program here in the U.S. is probably more responsible than anything else for making suspicious of the motivations of the so-called 'powers that be' and their minions.

I chew tobacco but I don't smoke.  I did so between ages 20 and 30.  I can say for sure that smoking is not good for me, and probably not for anyone else either.  Seasonal bugs always have started in my tonsils.  Back when I smoked about half the time the bug would go to my chest.  Since I quit smoking it never does.  Usually a bug which is going around dies in my throat if I get it at all, and within a few days.  Occasionally it will make me get flu-ee feeling for a day.  I don't tend to get nasal congestion any more either, but that is a normal part of the aging process (and why the 1918 pandemic flu took out so many younger people who are more prone to have a cytokine storm.)

[Sithara007]

Look at the number of epidemics in Africa where medicine is poorly developed and many people are not vaccinated and in the West where almost everyone is vaccinated. Isn't that a proof h that vaccines work.

There can be no doubt regarding this. Millions of people die every year from diseases such as malaria, typhoid and cholera, for which the vaccinations are available. If vaccination was universal, then these people could have been saved.

[mainpmf]

It's probably the cigarettes. Probably smoking is killing off disease, and that is why the FDA is trying hard to ban it.

You know...

At this point, after all of my research, I actually consider it as likely as not that anything which, according to 'the authorities', I'm not supposed to do is actually healthy.  At least in ways that are important to me.  Salt is a good example.  Lots of dairy products and meat another.  As for nicotine, I'll bet that it increases intellectual ability, and especially in old age (thus offsetting all of the hard work of getting fluoride in the water.)  I heavily abuse all of these substances and am one of the most healthy people I know of.

I love this argument.
"I'm eating salt meat and fat but I'm incredibly healthy, explain that!"
Well you're lucky and that's great for you.

My grandfather died at the age of 60 from lung defficience and all doctors agree on the fact that his smoking habit was greatly responsible for it. You telling me that all the doctors are wrong because YOU are healthy?

That's just too stupid, I can't bear with you people. Go die in your own corner.