Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[BADecker]

Tea tree oil. While I am for vaccines, because we live all close and shit, I'm not a friend of the pharmaceutical industry. Colloidal silver as well, takes a bit longer though. The tea tree oil works great to control spider mites and insect infestation in your garden, and the silver heals wounds fast, and keeps food fresh linger than usual if you cook with it.

The world is such a beautiful construct, in its harmony

Tea tree oil, Melaleuca oil, generally Melaleuca alternifolia, is only one of the oils around that are helping people in many ways. In fact, essential oils have been around for a long time. Melaleuca simply happns to be a shining example of the power that they have.

Science is just getting started in examining essential oils, but most of the work is being done by private essential oil marketing companies.

There are thousands of plants worldwide, but mainly in South America, that have never been considered for essential oil use. If quality essential oils were made out of many of these, there would be no disease that could stand in the world.

You need to stop that shit bro.

I mean I perfectly agree that there is lots of progress to be done in "natural medication" fields.
I agree that a good way of life helps a lot.

But there is a reason why medication exists... There are simply tons of diseases you just can't fight in a natural way! Explain me how your oil is going to help against a cancer, the HIV or a big shit like paludism?
Cause those 3 diseases are responsible for dozens of millions of deaths every year!

You are just wrong!

When did the first human come into being. Standard science tells you hundreds of thousands to as many as 6 million years ago, depending on what you call human.

When did modern medicine start? Some might say, like, back with Socrates. But really, it started with the development of penicillin, right? But less than 300 years ago, right?

So you tell me, what has been around longer? Life or medicine?

There are still places in the world today where the people are healthier naturally than those with modern medicine.

Just look at the article further up in this thread which talks about 50% of the people getting chemo dying from it. This stuff isn't made up.

Let's get back to nature where we don't have a bunch of chemists poisoning us to death.

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[BADecker]

Deadly infections from medical devices
could be ended by using Manuka honey

While the use of honey as a natural health remedy dates back centuries, science has recently taken an interest in the antibacterial and anti-inflammatory properties of honey, Manuka honey in particular.

A new study, published in the Journal of Clinical Pathology, found that Manuka honey could hold the key to keeping medical devices in hospitals bug-free. Medical devices connected to patients, such as urinary catheters, carry a high risk of infection.

Manuka reduces bacterial 'stickiness' and growth

Study co-author Bashir Lwaleed, of the Faculty of Health Sciences at the University of Southampton in the United Kingdom, and colleagues found that a dilution of Manuka honey could be used to halt the activity and growth of bacterial biofilms. These biofilms are groups of microorganisms that can adhere to surfaces and cause life-threatening infections.

To put Manuka honey to the test, the scientists cultured two strains of common hospital bacteria on 96 plastic dishes. Both Escherichia coli and Proteus mirabilis are known to cause urinary tract infections (UTIs) that can arise in patients with long-term catheter use.

Read more at http://pirateswithoutborders.com/information/370040-deadly-infections-from-medical-devices-could-be-ended-by-using.

[BADecker]

Scientists Invent Oxygen Particle That If Injected, Allows You To Live Without Breathing

A team of scientists at the Boston Children's Hospital have invented what is being considered one the greatest medical breakthroughs in recent years. They have designed a microparticle that can be injected into a person's bloodstream that can quickly oxygenate their blood. This will even work if the ability to breathe has been restricted, or even cut off entirely.

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This is a neat trick and obviously useful.  It has its limitations but it is still enough for emergencies were a solution is desperately needed.

Heart attack victeims are obvious as CPR at the same time can pulse the blood at the same time to prevent damge.  Better yet pulse restoration would induce a body wide flush of oxygen from an injection doing the bulk of the work in damage abatement.

All good.

Read more at http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.ca/2017/03/scientists-invent-oxygen-particle-that.html.

[craked5]

You are just wrong!

When did the first human come into being. Standard science tells you hundreds of thousands to as many as 6 million years ago, depending on what you call human.

When did modern medicine start? Some might say, like, back with Socrates. But really, it started with the development of penicillin, right? But less than 300 years ago, right?

So you tell me, what has been around longer? Life or medicine?

There are still places in the world today where the people are healthier naturally than those with modern medicine.

Just look at the article further up in this thread which talks about 50% of the people getting chemo dying from it. This stuff isn't made up.

Let's get back to nature where we don't have a bunch of chemists poisoning us to death.

AHAHAHAHAHAH

50% of people having a cancer strong and large enough that it can't be dealth through surgery are dying?
Incredible!
Must be because of the chemo of course!!!

Damn this thread really makes me laugh xD
You're all losing your time guys, those idiots won't face reality.

Please just look at this: https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination/
This is the effect of vaccination.

[Shiller2009]

Each organism is unique and it is impossible for all to apply the same method of treatment. For some, there may not be anything wrong with the vaccine, and others may have a negative reaction.

[BADecker]

Each organism is unique and it is impossible for all to apply the same method of treatment. For some, there may not be anything wrong with the vaccine, and others may have a negative reaction.

And it is the same with vaccines. A few don't have mercury in them. A few are made without "monkey" cells in them. The medical has so polluted the whole vaccination scene, that you would have to examine each shot individually, chemically, to determine if it was okay to use.

[BADecker]

After destroying millions of children with psychiatric drugs, the industry now...

Some people think that electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), also known as electroshock, is one of those horrible treatments from yesteryear that civilized societies no longer undertake. However, approximately one million people around the world are given electroshock every year, including 100,000 Americans. Perhaps most disturbingly, some of the people who undergo this terrifying and risky treatment are children.

This statistic is set to rise as the American Psychiatric Association (APA) pressures the Food and Drug Administration to allow ECT to be used on children who are resistant to current drugs and therapies. The FDA is considering the draft rule, which will downgrade the risk of ECT from the highest category, Class III, to the only moderately risky Class II, placing it in the same category as condoms and contact lenses. That hardly sounds suitable when you consider the fact that the treatment entails sending jolts of electricity into the child's brain, purposefully inducing seizures. It has been associated with serious side effects, including permanent memory loss, manic symptoms, heart problems, cognitive problems, confusion, breathing problems, brain damage and even death.

Should the FDA ultimately grant the request, more children will be subjected to this degrading and archaic treatment, which is said to have gotten its inspiration from the way pigs were given an electrical shock prior to slaughter to make them more docile and easier to kill. It is typically used on people who have depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and even autism.

Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-23-after-destroying-millions-of-children-with-psychiatric-drugs-the-industry-now-wants-the-fda-to-expand-electroshock-therapy-on-children.html.

[BADecker]

Excessive private ultrasound procedures putting babies' health at risk

A recent survey revealed that scanxiety, a phenomenon where expectant mothers undergo multiple ultrasounds, now affects nearly one in three pregnant women in the U.K. Current guidelines in the U.S. and the U.K. call for just two ultrasounds during the 12th and 20th week of pregnancy to monitor the child's condition. "For the last 20 years, it's been quite common for women to access private facilities for scans. Sometimes it's simply for reassurance, or because they don't feel they're getting sufficient scans on the NHS [National Health Service]. Sometimes they're accessing a service that isn't routinely provided, such as 3D and 4D scans. Many are what you might call souvenir scans," Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists spokesman Dr. Christoph Lees said in TheGuardian.com.

The survey by the parenting site ChannelMum.com collected data from 2,000 pregnant mothers and found that a third of pregnant women opted for extra scans, which were largely prompted by anxiety over the health of the fetus. The poll also showed that another one-third of respondents reported undergoing additional scans to monitor the baby without any specific medical reasons. To be more specific: Twenty percent of women were reported to have gone through two sessions, while 18 percent underwent three or more. Furthermore, one in 50 even reported having nine or 10 additional private scans. This equated to more than one ultrasound session per month during the whole duration of pregnancy, the researchers said.

According to the researchers, extra scans cost expectant mothers millions despite not having any medical reason. The survey revealed that private scans cost from 35 British Pounds up to 1,000 British Pounds for a repeat package. The poll also showed that the private scan industry is currently valued at $54 million a year. However, the researchers have warned that some clinics offer scans that last more than 30 minutes, which may potentially harm the unborn child. The experts have also cautioned about the increasing popularity of "pop-up" scanning companies that offer to conduct the ultrasound at home. Some clinics employ unregistered sonographers, the researchers said.

"Current advice by the National Institute For Health and Clinical Excellence is to have an early scan and then a screening scan for anomalies at around 18-20 weeks. These are recommendations based on the available research and takes into account the harm and benefit of scans. Any further scans beyond these recommendations should be clinically indicated and based on the needs of the women and her developing baby. It is of concern that women are needing this extra assurance. It may reflect a need for women to have more confidence in their pregnancy and this type of reassurance and support is, and can, be provided by their midwife. Anxieties caused by reliance on technology can have an impact on a woman's pregnancy, causing undue stress and anxiety," Mervi Jokinen, Practice and Standards Advisor at the Royal College of Midwives, said in DailyMail.co.uk.

Read more and click the links at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-28-excessive-private-ultrasound-procedures-putting-babies-health-at-risk.html.

[Elwar]

Excessive private ultrasound procedures putting babies' health at risk

A recent survey revealed that scanxiety, a phenomenon where expectant mothers undergo multiple ultrasounds, now affects nearly one in three pregnant women in the U.K. Current guidelines in the U.S. and the U.K. call for just two ultrasounds during the 12th and 20th week of pregnancy to monitor the child's condition. "For the last 20 years, it's been quite common for women to access private facilities for scans. Sometimes it's simply for reassurance, or because they don't feel they're getting sufficient scans on the NHS [National Health Service]. Sometimes they're accessing a service that isn't routinely provided, such as 3D and 4D scans. Many are what you might call souvenir scans," Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists spokesman Dr. Christoph Lees said in TheGuardian.com.

The survey by the parenting site ChannelMum.com collected data from 2,000 pregnant mothers and found that a third of pregnant women opted for extra scans, which were largely prompted by anxiety over the health of the fetus. The poll also showed that another one-third of respondents reported undergoing additional scans to monitor the baby without any specific medical reasons. To be more specific: Twenty percent of women were reported to have gone through two sessions, while 18 percent underwent three or more. Furthermore, one in 50 even reported having nine or 10 additional private scans. This equated to more than one ultrasound session per month during the whole duration of pregnancy, the researchers said.

According to the researchers, extra scans cost expectant mothers millions despite not having any medical reason. The survey revealed that private scans cost from 35 British Pounds up to 1,000 British Pounds for a repeat package. The poll also showed that the private scan industry is currently valued at $54 million a year. However, the researchers have warned that some clinics offer scans that last more than 30 minutes, which may potentially harm the unborn child. The experts have also cautioned about the increasing popularity of "pop-up" scanning companies that offer to conduct the ultrasound at home. Some clinics employ unregistered sonographers, the researchers said.

"Current advice by the National Institute For Health and Clinical Excellence is to have an early scan and then a screening scan for anomalies at around 18-20 weeks. These are recommendations based on the available research and takes into account the harm and benefit of scans. Any further scans beyond these recommendations should be clinically indicated and based on the needs of the women and her developing baby. It is of concern that women are needing this extra assurance. It may reflect a need for women to have more confidence in their pregnancy and this type of reassurance and support is, and can, be provided by their midwife. Anxieties caused by reliance on technology can have an impact on a woman's pregnancy, causing undue stress and anxiety," Mervi Jokinen, Practice and Standards Advisor at the Royal College of Midwives, said in DailyMail.co.uk.

Read more and click the links at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-28-excessive-private-ultrasound-procedures-putting-babies-health-at-risk.html.

Never really understood the reason behind early ultrasound scans. If your baby's head is misshaped or something, what could you possibly do to change anything?

[BADecker]

Texas lawmaker claims your child "belongs to the state" and can be forcibly vaccinated

Lawmakers in Texas have been attempting to restructure many of the laws governing Child Protective Services in the state, since children have been falling through holes in the system and being permanently damaged in the process. One of the proposed bills under consideration is House Bill 39, introduced by Representative Gene Wu (D-Houston). This bill would push for children taken into the foster care system to receive medical examinations more quickly – within three days for those in urban areas, and within no more than seven days for those in rural areas.

While the bill would seem fairly straightforward on the surface, it ran into a snag when lawmakers started debating whether these routine medical exams would include vaccinations. Rep. Bill Zedler (R-Arlington) of the Texas Freedom Caucus proposed an amendment to the bill which would exclude vaccines from the required treatments. He raised the issue that children could potentially receive vaccines or other medical interventions, including surgery, and then in some instances be returned to their parents a few days later if the Department of Family Protective Services had made a mistake.

Rep. Wu's firm response has caused great concern among many, because it reflects his true feelings both about vaccinations and the rights of parents.

"Let me make it very clear," he said. "The moment a child is removed from their home – the moment the child is removed – by law, the child is now a child of the state of Texas. We have the responsibility to make sure that child is safe and is given proper medical care. That is the law. [Emphasis added]

Texas lawmaker claims your child "belongs to the state" and can be forcibly vaccinated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwt5R-MpYe8


Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-29-texas-lawmaker-claims-your-child-belongs-to-the-state-and-can-be-forcibly-vaccinated.html.

[Ammigo13]

Excessive private ultrasound procedures putting babies' health at risk

A recent survey revealed that scanxiety, a phenomenon where expectant mothers undergo multiple ultrasounds, now affects nearly one in three pregnant women in the U.K. Current guidelines in the U.S. and the U.K. call for just two ultrasounds during the 12th and 20th week of pregnancy to monitor the child's condition. "For the last 20 years, it's been quite common for women to access private facilities for scans. Sometimes it's simply for reassurance, or because they don't feel they're getting sufficient scans on the NHS [National Health Service]. Sometimes they're accessing a service that isn't routinely provided, such as 3D and 4D scans. Many are what you might call souvenir scans," Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists spokesman Dr. Christoph Lees said in TheGuardian.com.

The survey by the parenting site ChannelMum.com collected data from 2,000 pregnant mothers and found that a third of pregnant women opted for extra scans, which were largely prompted by anxiety over the health of the fetus. The poll also showed that another one-third of respondents reported undergoing additional scans to monitor the baby without any specific medical reasons. To be more specific: Twenty percent of women were reported to have gone through two sessions, while 18 percent underwent three or more. Furthermore, one in 50 even reported having nine or 10 additional private scans. This equated to more than one ultrasound session per month during the whole duration of pregnancy, the researchers said.

According to the researchers, extra scans cost expectant mothers millions despite not having any medical reason. The survey revealed that private scans cost from 35 British Pounds up to 1,000 British Pounds for a repeat package. The poll also showed that the private scan industry is currently valued at $54 million a year. However, the researchers have warned that some clinics offer scans that last more than 30 minutes, which may potentially harm the unborn child. The experts have also cautioned about the increasing popularity of "pop-up" scanning companies that offer to conduct the ultrasound at home. Some clinics employ unregistered sonographers, the researchers said.

"Current advice by the National Institute For Health and Clinical Excellence is to have an early scan and then a screening scan for anomalies at around 18-20 weeks. These are recommendations based on the available research and takes into account the harm and benefit of scans. Any further scans beyond these recommendations should be clinically indicated and based on the needs of the women and her developing baby. It is of concern that women are needing this extra assurance. It may reflect a need for women to have more confidence in their pregnancy and this type of reassurance and support is, and can, be provided by their midwife. Anxieties caused by reliance on technology can have an impact on a woman's pregnancy, causing undue stress and anxiety," Mervi Jokinen, Practice and Standards Advisor at the Royal College of Midwives, said in DailyMail.co.uk.

Read more and click the links at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-28-excessive-private-ultrasound-procedures-putting-babies-health-at-risk.html.

Never really understood the reason behind early ultrasound scans. If your baby's head is misshaped or something, what could you possibly do to change anything?

The Ultrasound on the contrary can show some inaccuracies and cause panic. Previously, people did not have the opportunity to use ultrasound and healthy children were born.

[BADecker]

Rabies vaccine to be air dropped by helicopter over parts of Northeast Ohio

The World Health Organization (WHO) describes rabies as a "fatal zoonotic disease, transmitted to humans through contact (mainly bites and scratches) with infected animals."  This condition kills 55,000 people worldwide every year, with nearly 100 percent of fatal cases occurring in Asia and Africa. Worldwide, another ten million people are exposed yearly, but, according to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), those who are exposed can survive by receiving a combination of injections. The current treatment includes "a dose of human rabies immune globulin," along with a series of rabies vaccines.

In order to prevent rabies from spreading in wildlife areas, and to lessen the exposure to domesticated animals and humans, it has become a routine practice to "dump rabies-laced baits onto rural areas." Dogs Naturally Magazine explains that these baits contain a genetically modified vaccine that has two viruses spliced together — the rabies virus, plus "vaccina, which is the immunizing agent used in smallpox vaccine." Fox8.com reports that shortly after two rabid raccoons were discovered in Stark County, Ohio earlier this year, local officials contacted the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). It is the USDA that will supply the planes, helicopters and the supply of recombinant rabies vaccine that will be dropped in not one, but three Northern Ohio counties.

Residents living in these areas have been advised to stay away from wildlife, to have their pets vaccinated and bring them indoors, and to put lids on any trash receptacles. While rabies is most often associated with wild raccoons, bats, skunks, coyotes and foxes, unvaccinated domesticated cats and dogs may be at risk. Ohio officials are depending on these air dropped baits to take care of the problem and, while they claim these will not harm pets, if an Ohio resident suspects their pet has accidentally eaten a rabies vaccine bait, they are advised to call a veterinarian.

Patricia Jordan, DMV and author of Dogs Naturally Magazine, is not convinced of this strategy. She explains that already weakened wild animals may not be automatically immunized by taking the dropped bait. Additionally, "splicing viruses can carry many risks" that are only now being understood.  There are instances in the United States where rabies has jumped from  bats to foxes to skunks with no bite required." This is a serious concern for Dr. Terje Traavik from the Center for Biosafety, who suggests that rabies in humans could return "due to a virulence of the genetically engineered rabies virus with the pox viruses."

Another way these recombinant viruses can be spread, says Dr. Jordan, is through aerosaolization, where no contact with saliva is necessary. A domestic pet would just need to be in close proximity to an infected animal. No bite is required.

Read more and click the links at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-05-29-rabies-vaccine-to-be-air-dropped-by-helicopter-over-parts-of-northeast-ohio.html.

[BADecker]

'Game Changer': Study Finds 100-year-old Drug Reverses Autism Symptoms in Kids

The study's lead researcher, Dr. Robert Naviaux of the San Diego School of Medicine is an internationally known expert in human genetics, inborn errors of metabolism, metabolomics, and mitochondrial medicine. He is the discoverer of the cause of Alpers syndrome — the oldest Mendelian form of mitochondrial disease — and the developer of the first DNA test to diagnose it. Naviaux is, by far, one of the most qualified people in the world to conduct this study.

During his research, Naviaux noted the transformative results of the drug suramin which was first developed in 1916 and used as an anti-parasitic drug for treating African sleeping sickness and river blindness. After giving a single dose of suramin to boys with autism, between the ages of five and 14, Naviaux recorded something incredible — their symptoms were significantly alleviated.

"After the single dose, it was almost like a roadblock had been released," he said. "If the future studies show that there's continued health benefits, this could be a game-changer for families with autism."

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/game-changer-study-finds-100-year-old-drug-reverses-symptoms-of-autism/.

[Nagadota]

I happen to be autistic, and I'd like to clear up some myths that you've covered this thread with.

1.  Most of the health services in Europe are in the public sector.  Therefore, in the event that there was conclusive and tested evidence that a drug would reverse autism symptoms, there would be no profit incentive for them to avoid that drug.  Actually, it would save the state thousands in specialised schools and other aid.

2.  Autism is not always debilitating, nor are autistic people stupid.

3.  As pointed out in 1, if there was conclusive evidence of a drug being successful in "curing" autism (if you can do such a thing), national health services would have an incentive to use it.  Therefore, all the studies that you have posted are inconclusive.  A study does not "prove" anything, and "science" does not unanimously make decisions.  Actually, what we think we know as facts today have changed countless times over many years while real scientists are keeping an open mind and peer reviewing studies effectively.

"Qualifications" mean nothing - tried and tested meta analysis over several years are what means something.

I hope your tin foil hat fits on your big head.

[tvbcof]

'Game Changer': Study Finds 100-year-old Drug Reverses Autism Symptoms in Kids


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African sleeping sickness and river blindness.  ...

Interesting.

One of the scientists brought over from Germany for 'operation paperclip' was the Nazi regime's bio-warfare expert.  He'd set up an island as an 'animal research center'.  When he got here, he set up an island as an 'animal research center'.  It so happens to be right across from Lyme, Connecticut (though there are plans underway to move it to the center of the country so I hear.)  Dr. Erik Traub was a leading developer of the method of using ticks to distribute diseases when he was working in Germany.

Many microbes were studied for their applicability to lethal and non-lethal biological warfare at our own 'Plum Island.'  One of the main ones seem to be Borrelia Burgdofori and related species.  It is actually very close to syphilis in it's life-ways.  So much so that syphilis can be used as a model, and centuries of research have been done on the organism and it's effects on humans.  This species is the marker for Lyme disease (which should technically be referred to as borreliosis.)

Having a well understood model is key to success in research and development.

Another disease that was highly studied and thus understood, is African river blindness.  It is associated with a worm.  A nematode if I recall correctly.  The worm itself can harbor borrelia species bacteria.  The nematode which is associated with African river blindness is fairly easy to clear up (which is why I found the article interesting.)

I've paid a lot of attention to what Dr. Alan MacDonald has produced over the last few years and I am confident that he is highly competent and no fraud.  His latest findings are very very interesting.  Well worth a listen to anyone who is interested in the subject:

...  Wow ... gone from youtube, or at least well hidden!  He was finding actual worms and eggs in the cerebral-spinal fluid of all MS patients he looked at.  On top of that, with DNA dyes he was finding Borrelia bacteria within the worms.

When I was a kid 40 years ago projections were that we humans would be living easily to 100 years and all that.  In reality, we hit 'peak life expectancy' in the U.S. at least, and life expectancy is on the decline so I read.  A big sigh of relief from those seeking to deal with the anticipated Social Security issues I'm sure.  Also since many people pay their life savings to the medical/industrial complex as they march toward death, another group of people are quite delighted (and are getting stupendously wealthy.)  I think it perfect valid to entertain the hypothesis that some engineering may have been involved in getting us to the point where 3/5'ths of the population on prescription medications.  Like any other investigative work, look for means, motive, opportunity.

[cipherer]

you can get ill of vaccination, but risk af serious illness is reduced.

[Sithara007]

you can get ill of vaccination, but risk af serious illness is reduced.

How many people get ill after vaccination? May be 0.01% at the most. And even in these cases, the effects hardly last for more than a few hours or days. But imagine what will happen without vaccination. Do you want to live in the midst of smallpox or anthrax epidemics?

[tvbcof]

you can get ill of vaccination, but risk af serious illness is reduced.

How many people get ill after vaccination? May be 0.01% at the most. And even in these cases, the effects hardly last for more than a few hours or days. But imagine what will happen without vaccination. Do you want to live in the midst of smallpox or anthrax epidemics?

I'd much rather take my chances with a 'smallpox epidemic' than to live in a society where one in 50 people are autistic and 3/5 of people are so fucked up that they need pharmaceutical products.  I would feel that we even if the costs to deal with these damaged people did not come out of my pocket (as a healthy person with no such needs.)  Autism has gone from 1/10,000 when I was a kid to 1/50.  At the current trajectory, which seem to show no signs of slowing down and no sign of an 'understanding', it will be 1/2 (for males) in the not-to-distant future.  Give me a good 'smallpox epidemic' any day over that.  As shown on the charts, the death rate for smallpox was never terribly high, and not even in the same league as autism which is a life-long and highly debilitating condition for many/most sufferers.

As for anthrax, it's not on the schedule in the U.S. (or probably anywhere else except the military where I got mine) and we have zero 'epidemics'.

It looks a lot like you've bought a batch of snake-oil, and took it hook, line, and sinker.  Hopefully you will understand one-day how those of us who have not resent pressure from those who have on our well-being and the well-being of those we care about be they our immediate families, or humanity at large.

[BADecker]

you can get ill of vaccination, but risk af serious illness is reduced.

How many people get ill after vaccination? May be 0.01% at the most. And even in these cases, the effects hardly last for more than a few hours or days. But imagine what will happen without vaccination. Do you want to live in the midst of smallpox or anthrax epidemics?

I'd much rather take my chances with a 'smallpox epidemic' than to live in a society where one in 50 people are autistic and 3/5 of people are so fucked up that they need pharmaceutical products.  I would feel that we even if the costs to deal with these damaged people did not come out of my pocket (as a healthy person with no such needs.)  Autism has gone from 1/10,000 when I was a kid to 1/50.  At the current trajectory, which seem to show no signs of slowing down and no sign of an 'understanding', it will be 1/2 (for males) in the not-to-distant future.  Give me a good 'smallpox epidemic' any day over that.  As shown on the charts, the death rate for smallpox was never terribly high, and not even in the same league as autism which is a life-long and highly debilitating condition for many/most sufferers.

As for anthrax, it's not on the schedule in the U.S. (or probably anywhere else except the military where I got mine) and we have zero 'epidemics'.

It looks a lot like you've bought a batch of snake-oil, and took it hook, line, and sinker.  Hopefully you will understand one-day how those of us who have not resent pressure from those who have on our well-being and the well-being of those we care about be they our immediate families, or humanity at large.

In addition, we now have 3 points/methods for curing the diseases so that we see that we don't need vaccines:

1. The fact that super-bugs develop shows us that systems are continually trying to heal themselves. This means that over time, the bodies and immune systems of people will automatically "invent" methods to kill off all diseases within them.

2. Regarding autism directly, MMS (chlorine dioxide) harmlessly cures autism, and can be used to cure many diseases. For example, it destroys malaria, from positive to negative in one day - http://cdautism.org/, http://mmsnews.is/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jY2yab0uLc. We don't need vaccines.

3. We now have found the 100-y-o drug, suramin, which has been found to cure kids with autism. Isn't it time that we look at how many other diseases it cures?

The point isn't that we might as well use vaccines to cure things, because we can protect from the side effects.
The point is that we can avoid vaccines other than suramin, and still receive any possible benefits, all without the side effects.

[matuson]

you can get ill of vaccination, but risk af serious illness is reduced.

How many people get ill after vaccination? May be 0.01% at the most. And even in these cases, the effects hardly last for more than a few hours or days. But imagine what will happen without vaccination. Do you want to live in the midst of smallpox or anthrax epidemics?

Antivaccinia company aimed at provoking epidemics in all countries. If you do not believe in conspiracy theories that this desire to destroy the excess population of the planet, I think that probably the company aims to increase profits of pharmaceutical companies. Because the treatment is always more expensive than prevention.