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[MinermanNC]

Now on the otherhand, if TH put out a reassurance email, of guaranteeing a full refund should we never receive our product, then i might would be inclined to wait and see" on the chips,,, but we have nothing to go on at this point?

Miner, TH already covered this in his last message. You wouldn't get a full refund if Avalon chips don't show according to the below quote.

We have only ordered components that were either absolutely necessary for assembly (BOM components) or ones that had a big lead time (Cases, heat sinks, cables). Boards and PSUs, once ordered, can be delivered within 24-48 hours. The reason we did not spend money on these is, in case Avalon chips never show up, we would be able to refund some of our customers money.

Again, in case the chips never arrive, we might be able to return a portion of everybody's money. But if you insist, we will go ahead and order PSUs/PCBs etc and spend all that money. Your choice!

I know atomic, I read that to, was just trying to drop a hint to TH to come off their no refunds or refund "some of the money" stance

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[Vigil]

That the group buy leaders are so silent regarding this whole deal, you have to ask yourself "what is up?" Even TH is not saying much. How many sample chips did the group buy leaders get?

[chanberg]

We just received 60 sample chips from Avalon. Apparently from the 20,000 chips order we placed on June 20th. There was no status updated on the order page, and we never received a tracking number. As knightlife pointed, some other people who placed order around the same time have received chips in the last couple days in the same fashion.

i thought your orders were in may?

[southerngentuk]

That the group buy leaders are so silent regarding this whole deal, you have to ask yourself "what is up?" Even TH is not saying much. How many sample chips did the group buy leaders get?

I think the GB leaders just really do not know what to do ! What can they do ? About the same as us really, sit and pray for chips, its not like we can turn yufu upside and shake them out of him, although i can see some satisfaction in that..

[bearsworth]

Terrahash,

Be careful before starting to buy more chips. There is a reason people are unloading them easily. I would try and fetch next generation unless you can get bitfury chips immediately, otherwise, you are going up a river with KnC and other companies putting out new models.

[kkooks]

Some nice shitstorm happens here.
We are where we are.
If TH made that they said, they done all perfect.

Avalon clones from china, which i seen link here before in thread is scam,
there are also mistical customers from Spain who got chips apart from Zefir B1, but maybe it's just urban legends.
gen2 will not arrive in september, then another 8-10 weeks lead time.

Question is in chips only

Correct me if i'm wrong

Thanks

We seem to be making progress with project management issues--

Terrahash-- please work to close out the open issues that your company is responsible for before 8/15.
Should you fail to complete those obligations by then, my project management skills wont help your case beyond that date.
1. PSUs (open ETA TBD)
2. Cases (open ETA TBD)
3. Head Sinks (open ETA TBD)
4. PCBs (open ETA TBD)
5. Board BOM (closed)
6. Avalon (closed)

If you cannot meet the 8/15 date, be sure to issue a Force Majeure letter to your customers immediately as well.
This will help your case in court when you fail to deliver.

Also, in your Force Majeure letter, include the option for your customers to opt for a partial shipment (if case + psu was ordered). Include basic visual installation instructions for when the completed, fully populated boards are delivered so that your customers can DIY. Cost of shipment should be footed by your company at 100% obviously but you will recover much more in labor, time, and public relations.

Please post pictures of the shipment to calm nerves. You've been less than honest so far so itll be important to regain the confidence of the public.

It is good to hear you have some more chips in hand but get item #4 "4. PCBs (open ETA TBD)" knocked out asap. It is confusing that you said the PCBs are a 2 day lead time and bkkcoins said they were on the way a week ago... we still havent heard whether you have the new boards to try to get the hashing right.

I believe what is clear is that you will miss the 8/15 date clear and cut -- obviously getting the units to hash at 4.5ghz would be key here after you get #4 resolved. Please post working unit ASAP so that itll calm everyone's nerves.

Time is running out on the other open items that can be perceived as intentions other than to deliver on time and are serious red flags...

[pixl8tr]

Please post pictures of the shipment to calm nerves. You've been less than honest so far so itll be important to regain the confidence of the public.

Huh?   Drinking some of the FUD kool-aid being spread by those with an agenda? 

[kkooks]

We just received 60 sample chips from Avalon. Apparently from the 20,000 chips order we placed on June 20th. There was no status updated on the order page, and we never received a tracking number. As knightlife pointed, some other people who placed order around the same time have received chips in the last couple days in the same fashion.

Good News I suppose,

Could we get an updated video of a K16 Hashing and maybe even a K64?

As far as Chargebacks are concerned, Terrahash should just hash with all the hardware that people chargeback. Since you guys get everything at cost you will probably still have a decent return

i thought your orders were in may?

The first 20,000 are in May, the second 20,000 are in June

(didnt know this is .. THIS IS GREAT!... )
But what the heck is the real story??

Terrahash, this is ridiculous.
Please help me understand The REAL ORDERS placed. In sequence please... and please try not to change your story again.





What happened to the original 40K???

[knightlife999]

We just received 60 sample chips from Avalon. Apparently from the 20,000 chips order we placed on June 20th. There was no status updated on the order page, and we never received a tracking number. As knightlife pointed, some other people who placed order around the same time have received chips in the last couple days in the same fashion.

i thought your orders were in may?

Look at the photobucket link in my post yesterday (from my visit last month): They have 20k chips ordered in May, and 20k chips ordered in June.

[knightlife999]

That the group buy leaders are so silent regarding this whole deal, you have to ask yourself "what is up?" Even TH is not saying much. How many sample chips did the group buy leaders get?

I think the GB leaders just really do not know what to do ! What can they do ? About the same as us really, sit and pray for chips, its not like we can turn yufu upside and shake them out of him, although i can see some satisfaction in that..

+1 

I like that idea very much. At least some chips might fall out of his pockets. 

[knightlife999]

(didnt know this is .. THIS IS GREAT!... )
But what the heck is the real story??

Terrahash, this is ridiculous.
Please help me understand The REAL ORDERS placed. In sequence please... and please try not to change your story again.

What happened to the original 40K???

Look at my photobucket pictures (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/knightlife999/library/?sort=3&page=1) of the original chip orders Kooks. TH had an agreement with a 3rd party to buy ANOTHER 20k chips from an early May order (in addition to the 40k chips they have on order with Bitsyncom). They stated that they decided not to take that route, which was at a premium price, and are now looking at offers to buy early orders of 20-30k chips at cost. Sound judgement.

Btw, I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about how many chips/boards you have on order?

[kkooks]

(didnt know this is .. THIS IS GREAT!... )
But what the heck is the real story??

Terrahash, this is ridiculous.
Please help me understand The REAL ORDERS placed. In sequence please... and please try not to change your story again.

What happened to the original 40K???

Look at my photobucket pictures (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/knightlife999/library/?sort=3&page=1) of the original chip orders Kooks. TH had an agreement with a 3rd party to buy ANOTHER 20k chips from an early May order (in addition to the 40k chips they have on order with Bitsyncom). They stated that they decided not to take that route, which was at a premium price, and are now looking at offers to buy early orders of 20-30k chips at cost. Sound judgement.

Btw, I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about how many chips/boards you have on order?

okay... thanks for the clarification? and why is this coming from you not terrahash?
Gottit you have lots of orders and have preferential treatment (?)

My order is small which makes it even more insane, make fun of it as you see fit. 1 x 4.5 Gh and DX mini 18Gh complete kit.



My turn:
1. PSUs (When will these arrive? not caught in customs I hope!)
2. Cases (When will these arrive? not caught in customs I hope!)
3. Heat Sinks (When will these arrive? not caught in customs I hope!)
4. PCBs  (When will these arrive? not caught in customs I hope!)
5. When will we see the 1 unit hashing at 4.5Ghash?

[massnerder]

nice to see an update regarding all the nonsense that's been happening lately.  if TH got their sample chips then hopefully the order will be arriving soon.  there's at least a bit of hope for us yet  

[kkooks]

okay... thanks for the clarification? and why is this coming from you not terrahash?
Gottit you have lots of orders and have preferential treatment (?)

No he was able to get off his ass and go visit them instead of speculating on this forum all day.

I am just curious what happened to the 60x4 = 240 sample chips (or 120 sample chips... confused as hell right now)

Either way there is 67Ghash (or 33.75Ghash) of hashing power outstanding...
What are you doing with that hashing power Terrahash?

Better question, who did you give them to for crowd control...
Or...

Are you just hashing (oops testing!) and mining with our intrest free cash?
Wait nevermind... You never got them to work properly.

"you had me at hello"
Tell me once more that you (Bargraphics/KLife/Terrhash... who is who? confused as hell) had all the components ready, ON HAND, and to ship as soon as the chips arrive. - I think it'll work this time.

[MinermanNC]

okay... thanks for the clarification? and why is this coming from you not terrahash?
Gottit you have lots of orders and have preferential treatment (?)

No he was able to get off his ass and go visit them instead of speculating on this forum all day.

I am just curious what happened to the 60x4 = 240 sample chips (or 120 sample chips... confused as hell right now)

Either way there is 67Ghash (or 33.75Ghash) of hashing power outstanding...
What are you doing with that hashing power Terrahash?

Better question, who did you give them to for crowd control...
Or...

Are you just hashing (oops testing!) and mining with our intrest free cash?
Wait nevermind... You never got them to work properly.

"you had me at hello"
Tell me once more that you (Bargraphics/KLife/Terrhash... who is who? confused as hell) had all the components ready, ON HAND, and to ship as soon as the chips arrive. - I think it'll work this time.

kkooks,,,ya know,,Im sure everyone loves you in the world,,,but you sure are like a pesky fly that won't go away and let us enjoy our dinner....good gosh! enough already 

[kkooks]

okay... thanks for the clarification? and why is this coming from you not terrahash?
Gottit you have lots of orders and have preferential treatment (?)

No he was able to get off his ass and go visit them instead of speculating on this forum all day.

I am just curious what happened to the 60x4 = 240 sample chips (or 120 sample chips... confused as hell right now)

Either way there is 67Ghash (or 33.75Ghash) of hashing power outstanding...
What are you doing with that hashing power Terrahash?

Better question, who did you give them to for crowd control...
Or...

Are you just hashing (oops testing!) and mining with our intrest free cash?
Wait nevermind... You never got them to work properly.

"you had me at hello"
Tell me once more that you (Bargraphics/KLife/Terrhash... who is who? confused as hell) had all the components ready, ON HAND, and to ship as soon as the chips arrive. - I think it'll work this time.

kkooks,,,ya know,,Im sure everyone loves you in the world,,,but you sure are like a pesky fly that won't go away and let us enjoy our dinner....good gosh! enough already 

Yeah.. I know... someone has to do it... I believe in consumer protection and good business practices...

the five stages of grief are:

1-Denial
2-Anger
3-Bargaining
4-Depression <-- I am here today.
5-Acceptance

Where are you?

[ak49er]

Yeah.. I know... someone has to do it... I believe in consumer protection and good business practices...

the five stages of grief are:

1-Denial
2-Anger
3-Bargaining
4-Depression <-- I am here today.
5-Acceptance

Where are you?

Do you need a hug? 

[knightlife999]

okay... thanks for the clarification? and why is this coming from you not terrahash?
Gottit you have lots of orders and have preferential treatment (?)

No he was able to get off his ass and go visit them instead of speculating on this forum all day.

I am just curious what happened to the 60x4 = 240 sample chips (or 120 sample chips... confused as hell right now)

Either way there is 67Ghash (or 33.75Ghash) of hashing power outstanding...
What are you doing with that hashing power Terrahash?

Better question, who did you give them to for crowd control...
Or...

Are you just hashing (oops testing!) and mining with our intrest free cash?
Wait nevermind... You never got them to work properly.

"you had me at hello"
Tell me once more that you (Bargraphics/KLife/Terrhash... who is who? confused as hell) had all the components ready, ON HAND, and to ship as soon as the chips arrive. - I think it'll work this time.

I don't get preferential treatment. Not sure why you would think that or ask that. What indicates that I have gotten any preferential treatment? Or are you just lashing out? I donated my time and effort to make 2 trips to TH and give full reports. Go back and read the posts. As for who I am (funny trying to imply that we are all the same people), that info is in my past posts as well. Ex cop (7 years), pc tech, forex investment manager (10 years), martial arts instructor, and director of a security firm in SF. I don't work for TH, and it's offensive that you imply that since I am providing a positive line of reasoning I must be on their payroll. I have personally met them and have seen their office. I know for a fact that they are doing what they have promised. I have done the best I can to help my friends here on the forum feel secure in their investment and encourage TH to move forward and fulfill our orders. I have tried to mitigate any confusion people have felt, and give TH breathing room to get the job done and make our boards. I figure that if they spend all of their time answering phones and replying to emails, they will not have the time necessary to fulfill our orders in a timely manner. They are a small start-up after all.

It seems to me that you in particular (kkooks) will not be satisfied with anything that happens until you get your boards. I hope that happens for you and the rest of us. I'm not going to pick on you about the size of your order, and I'm glad to see that you actually have something on order with them. I can feel a near fanatical level of distrust from you and a couple of other people from reading your posts. If you have orders with BFL, I can understand why you might be transferring that feeling of frustration on to TH. I have 500 GH/s on order with BFL, and it frustrates me every day. However, TH is not BFL and they are doing everything they can to make sure we get what we have paid for. I live an hour and a half away from them and I am picking up my orders when they are ready. I'm sure they will come through with our orders. Unless you just feed off of being angry, I would recommend you take a breath, relax a bit, and try to be patient for a little while longer.

[kkooks]

Ya know, i appreciated that you went out there and took those videos and showed us the work in progress-klondike unit and I thought "wow! what a swell guy! we are lucky to have members in the community that will make this bitcoin work!". But now I am going through reading your pro-terrahash posts and talking down anyone who has ANY doubts whatsoever, I think I have to re-evaluate that initial misled thought.

I get it, you're not here to make friends.
And yes, I get it, Terrahash is at the mercy of Avalon
And no, I am not interested in arguing with you or trying to bestow the same kindness you've shown me or anyone with doubts and concerns about their orders.

BUT

What I AM interested in, is whether or not Terrahash has performed all the obligations to their customers (less avalon chips) to fulfill the orders.
I cannot fathom why anyone would not welcome this request for common courtesy that we, the customers, are entitled to.
(unless some units were furnished with sample chip shipments received to certain individuals for crowd control perhaps? Like the Nazis provided preferential treatment to certain selected jews to keep them marching into the gas chambers)

Let me put it this way, my gut tells me that terrahash do NOT have everything they need to mass produce our orders simply based on the inconsistencies of their stories, flip flopping, misleading statements, etc they have publicly displayed thus far.

So let me once again invite Terrahash to clear its name in the public forum once and for all.
If Terrahash cannot, please refund all monies owed immediately as you are no where near meeting your obligations EVEN IF Avalon delivers tomorrow.

Therefore Terrahash is breaking the basic premises (not force majeure in this case, like you have suggested) for which we, misled customers, have willingly taken the risk to provide funds and await patiently for months, interest free.

This is why KLife...

I dont see how listing respectable professions is really necessary to prove who you are... dont worry i wont ask you to prove who you are by posting a picture of yourself or amir or whomever.

[zurg]

I dunno why you guys even bother.
Don't feed the....