[OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 #

[set]

Hi guys. I like ideas around Aligius but It comes that i have to mine few days in "blind mode" meaning that there are no any stats so I can't deside how good this mining for me (. Are there any plans to extend stats tools?

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[dzyk]

Hi guys. I like ideas around Aligius but It comes that i have to mine few days in "blind mode" meaning that there are no any stats so I can't deside how good this mining for me (. Are there any plans to extend stats tools?

Aligius? what's this?

[ScaryHash]

Hi guys. I like ideas around Aligius but It comes that i have to mine few days in "blind mode" meaning that there are no any stats so I can't deside how good this mining for me (. Are there any plans to extend stats tools?

I had this same "problem" when I started out. Stats should update within 10-15 minutes.

Just put your address in your header, and make sure you delete the stupid {} brackets. Remember, NO brackets. Otherwise, you'll just mine anonymously, and you won't get credit for it.

Here is an example of my one line in my .bat file in BFG miner (I finally got it to work). Stats showed up almost immediately, 5 mins tops.

bfgminer -o stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 -O bitcoinaddressgoeshere

The website says this:

Stratum URI: bfgminer -o stratum+tcp://stratum.mining.eligius.st:3334 -O {YourAddress}

but do NOT use the brackets, otherwise you will mine and it will NOT show up in the stats (I know this from personal experience)

Hope this helps somebody.

[roy7]

They should remove the {} from the example.

[vom]

FYI looks like the site on ipv6 is busted:

Code:

vom@ice:~$ host eligius.st 
eligius.st has address 23.21.225.111
eligius.st has IPv6 address 2001:470:c:c34:ec2::2
eligius.st mail is handled by 0 zinan.dashjr.org.

vom@ice:~$ curl -4 -I eligius.st
HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Server: nginx/0.8.54
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:16:20 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Connection: keep-alive
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.3-7+squeeze15
Location: /~gateway/
Vary: Accept-Encoding

vom@ice:~$ curl -6 -I eligius.st
curl: (7) couldn't connect to host

My ipv6 is fine for everything else (Google, Youtube, Facebook, etc).

[dzyk]

  i love this pool/ good profit for me! thanks creators! will donations

[matt4054]

Getting 504 Gateway Time-out on http://eligius.st right now

Is the support phone number more like an emergency line should the mining servers (stratum/gw/gbt) go down, or are we supposed to call for website issues as well? Thanks!

PS: the pool is still accepting shares, it's just the website that seems down.

[pikeadz]

Getting 504 Gateway Time-out on http://eligius.st right now

Is the support phone number more like an emergency line should the mining servers (stratum/gw/gbt) go down, or are we supposed to call for website issues as well? Thanks!

PS: the pool is still accepting shares, it's just the website that seems down.

eligius.st down for me no response when pinging.  pinging mining.eligus.st works and seems to be accepting shares.

[wizkid057]

Getting 504 Gateway Time-out on http://eligius.st right now

Is the support phone number more like an emergency line should the mining servers (stratum/gw/gbt) go down, or are we supposed to call for website issues as well? Thanks!

PS: the pool is still accepting shares, it's just the website that seems down.

eligius.st down for me no response when pinging.  pinging mining.eligus.st works and seems to be accepting shares.

Getting 504 Gateway Time-out on http://eligius.st right now

Is the support phone number more like an emergency line should the mining servers (stratum/gw/gbt) go down, or are we supposed to call for website issues as well? Thanks!

PS: the pool is still accepting shares, it's just the website that seems down.

Working on the web server at the moment!  Should be back up soon.  Pool is working and tracking shares as normal.  Nothing lost!

Sorry for not posting here earlier.  I just kid of assume most people are idling around on IRC.

[kingcoin]

Is it possible to track multiple workers on Eligius, or will all your miners be shown as a single entity?

How's the stability?

[matt4054]

Is it possible to track multiple workers on Eligius, or will all your miners be shown as a single entity?

You can't track individual workers currently, only global hashrate and income per address. I would recommend setting up a client-side monitoring system, for example cgminer can be monitored remotely, I guess it's the same for BFGMiner.

How's the stability?

Pretty good, mining servers are very stable.

The CPPSRB system is the fairest IMO for those who aren't willing to gamble with variance. Of course there are pure PPS pool, but they either have much higher fees (the big one with PPS at 3% fee has a reputation of a fraction of your accepted shares vanishing here and there, and although I have no proof, I have come to that conclusion myself many times, after comparing counters).

With CPPSRB, if the pool is unlucky for a while, you are paid less (like DGM, PPLNS, prop etc.), but it's only a question of how long it will take before your shelved shares are paid in full. If the pool gets lucky several days afterwards, and you either switched to another pool or stopped mining for some reason, your shelved shares are paid anyway. With other systems, they wouldn't.

Eligius is paid only with transaction fees and donations, which is good in the short term I think, I mean at least as long as tx fees are less than 5% of the block reward.

[organofcorti]

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The CPPSRB system is the fairest IMO for those who aren't willing to gamble with variance

There is variance, you mention here yourself:

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With CPPSRB, if the pool is unlucky for a while, you are paid less (like DGM, PPLNS, prop etc.), but it's only a question of how long it will take before your shelved shares are paid in full.

If the pool gets lucky several days afterwards, and you either switched to another pool or stopped mining for some reason, your shelved shares are paid anyway. With other systems, they wouldn't.

This is a bit confusing - other systems don't use shelved shares, and all systems average to paying out the expected amount per submitted share.

[matt4054]

This is a bit confusing - other systems don't use shelved shares, and all systems average to paying out the expected amount per submitted share.

Yes, they average to paying out, but what about difficulty retargets? For example, I mined for about 24 hours on BTCGuild on June 4th. As you can see on the stats page, that was an unlucky day, averaging like 135 satoshis per share instead of the 195 that I would have got with PPS.

You understand statistics better than me, but if I get it correctly, the only way for me to compensate the unlucky time would be to keep mining until a lucky time pays for the difference. But what if the difficulty has gone from 12M to 15M in between? Doesn't it add a bias?

In other words, isn't the rationale of "average" only applicable for miners that have been mining forever on the same pool, and will keep mining forever on the same pool? And isn't the problem in practice that you can start unlucky and never be able to "compensate"? I admit I'm not 100% clear about this.

If you want to redirect me to an exisiting topic, or create a new topic for that, I would continue the discussion over there to avoid going off-topic on the thread of Eligius.

[organofcorti]

This is a bit confusing - other systems don't use shelved shares, and all systems average to paying out the expected amount per submitted share.

Yes, they average to paying out, but what about difficulty retargets? For example, I mined for about 24 hours on BTCGuild on June 4th. As you can see on the stats page, that was an unlucky day, averaging like 135 satoshis per share instead of the 195 that I would have got with PPS.

You understand statistics better than me, but if I get it correctly, the only way for me to compensate the unlucky time would be to keep mining until a lucky time pays for the difference. But what if the difficulty has gone from 12M to 15M in between? Doesn't it add a bias?

I understand what you mean, but that's still variance - it could have happened the other way around. All I'm saying is that any fair reward method must approach paying each share the expected amount over time.

[pikeadz]

Is it possible to track multiple workers on Eligius, or will all your miners be shown as a single entity?

How's the stability?

I have been mining here the past week since I got my blades.  I was initially skeptical because there were a few days of like 17 hours where no blocks were found.   However, it has evened out and I get regular payments.  It has thus far been very reliable and I am squeezing every bitcent out of these two blades (about .9 coins a day now).

[Luke-Jr]

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The CPPSRB system is the fairest IMO for those who aren't willing to gamble with variance

There is variance, you mention here yourself:

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With CPPSRB, if the pool is unlucky for a while, you are paid less (like DGM, PPLNS, prop etc.), but it's only a question of how long it will take before your shelved shares are paid in full.

But the variance is far less.

If the pool gets lucky several days afterwards, and you either switched to another pool or stopped mining for some reason, your shelved shares are paid anyway. With other systems, they wouldn't.

This is a bit confusing - other systems don't use shelved shares, and all systems average to paying out the expected amount per submitted share.

Only if you keep mining with them.
I think CPPSRB does the best job regardless of continual mining.

[roy7]

With CPPSRB, if the pool is unlucky for a while, you are paid less (like DGM, PPLNS, prop etc.), but it's only a question of how long it will take before your shelved shares are paid in full. If the pool gets lucky several days afterwards, and you either switched to another pool or stopped mining for some reason, your shelved shares are paid anyway. With other systems, they wouldn't.

I like CPPSRB and almost used it on my TRC pool, but one other difference to remember is if you hit the lucky short rounds in a row and there's no backlog to pay, those extra coins to put into the pool buffer instead of immediately paid out (like DGM/PPLNS would do).

[wizkid057]

With CPPSRB, if the pool is unlucky for a while, you are paid less (like DGM, PPLNS, prop etc.), but it's only a question of how long it will take before your shelved shares are paid in full. If the pool gets lucky several days afterwards, and you either switched to another pool or stopped mining for some reason, your shelved shares are paid anyway. With other systems, they wouldn't.

I like CPPSRB and almost used it on my TRC pool, but one other difference to remember is if you hit the lucky short rounds in a row and there's no backlog to pay, those extra coins to put into the pool buffer instead of immediately paid out (like DGM/PPLNS would do).

Yeah, which is nice.  Although Eligius is a special case, since if this were to happen on Eligius it would go towards the old SMPPS "extra credit" (which will probably take a while to cut into.)  At some point I may call to vote cutting SMPPS loose all together, as much as that may bother some.

[wizkid057]

Running behind on my maintenance/updates from my announcement yesterday.  Getting to it now.  Stats will be off and on for the next few hours, but, I will make sure to limit any impact to mining.  Shares are all recorded, and reward system will catch up and such, as per usual, so nothing is lost.

Thanks,

-wk

[pikeadz]

With CPPSRB, if the pool is unlucky for a while, you are paid less (like DGM, PPLNS, prop etc.), but it's only a question of how long it will take before your shelved shares are paid in full. If the pool gets lucky several days afterwards, and you either switched to another pool or stopped mining for some reason, your shelved shares are paid anyway. With other systems, they wouldn't.

I like CPPSRB and almost used it on my TRC pool, but one other difference to remember is if you hit the lucky short rounds in a row and there's no backlog to pay, those extra coins to put into the pool buffer instead of immediately paid out (like DGM/PPLNS would do).

Yeah, which is nice.  Although Eligius is a special case, since if this were to happen on Eligius it would go towards the old SMPPS "extra credit" (which will probably take a while to cut into.)  At some point I may call to vote cutting SMPPS loose all together, as much as that may bother some.

Is the buffer amount published anywhere?