bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy

[cirz8]

What's really frustrating is how much hate is directed against such a small slice of the mining pie.  Only about 300 Gigahash is hoppers out of 13 terahash total mining.  It's less than 3% of the miners!  And all these pool ops are wasting coding time trying to hurt us by obfuscating stats.  For some I believe this is just a smokescreen for their coding time spent on block stealing algorithms.

You guys are the only ones even trying to keep them honest by predicted/figuring out which pool found which block.  If that problem can be solved, then the pool op block stealing will stop.

I don't see how.  When they do steal blocks they submit them under their private wallet, not through their pool.

New wallet address for each block, if block is found under say 750k shares fix it so that the next block is a magical 750k shares larger. Steal every fourth block that matches this, good luck being found out. 

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[Sukrim]

What's really frustrating is how much hate is directed against such a small slice of the mining pie.  Only about 300 Gigahash is hoppers out of 13 terahash total mining.  It's less than 3% of the miners!  And all these pool ops are wasting coding time trying to hurt us by obfuscating stats.  For some I believe this is just a smokescreen for their coding time spent on block stealing algorithms.

You guys are the only ones even trying to keep them honest by predicted/figuring out which pool found which block.  If that problem can be solved, then the pool op block stealing will stop.

I don't see how.  When they do steal blocks they submit them under their private wallet, not through their pool.

New wallet address for each block, if block is found under say 750k shares fix it so that the next block is a magical 750k shares larger. Steal every fourth block that matches this, good luck being found out.  

In the longer run you might have a small "total pool bad luck" ratio of whatever these 750k/4 shares are worth against the current difficulty. It would be better to just declare a few shares invalid which in reality aren't to increase your pool's stale rate by a bit less than 1% - and log the shares under a mining account of yours instead. There is no need to steal shole blocks if YOU are the one telling your miners if you're even going to pay them for their work.

Edit: we really should get back to topic though, there are so many ways how pool operators can steal from their users that I don't even want to get into detail... The ONLY way to prevent this is to have "social" mining software that announces found blocks + the pool you mined them in on IRC or similar, and maximum transparency from pools including access to all getwork solutions (so you couls check that your solutions get added to your account only).

[lucita777]

I think the reasons are 1. That would take some effort, 2. Math fail (such as the below-mentioned pool op not believing that pool hoppers reduce earnings, and me being unable to communicate with him in the language of integral calculus and binomial statistics, since he's working at a hosting company at the age I was studying engineering), 3. User resistance (typical PPLNS conversion discussion: "I don't like the idea of my shares expiring..."), and 4. Greed - hopping doesn't reduce the earnings of pool ops, just the users, and more block solves = more fees they get to keep.

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I am referring to the instability and extra work that hoppers create for pool operators and their users. I happen to know several network problems at bitcoins.lc were from pool hoppers, specifically from hundreds of connections a second being opened by the multipool op and other unknown actors, essentially DDOSing the pool. Jine had to implement firewall caching because of the load the constant stat-refreshing was causing, and had to switch over to to a VM environment with load distribution between six different servers, because proxied and aggregated connections were not re-using TCP sessions properly and would run pushpoold out of TCP/IP ports and crash the pool for all the users. That I might be bitter about, along with having to switch my higher aggression mining tasks to a PPLNS pool instead of my first choice, to avoid earning measurably less.

I do somewhat agree that the game is flawed if you have to kick out the card counters. However, you aren't taking from the house, you are taking from other miners in a situation where the ideal would be that we pool our resources for the good of all. My response is to the self-justifying posts every few pages of this thread that "pools should be glad, we help them solve blocks", or "xxx pool is unscrupulous a-holes because they are taking measures against pool hopping".

Yes, all of the aboove are viable reasons. But that's the real world, if someone is lazy or ignorant, then they ususally get less paid job than someone smart. It is true, that on a pool with hoppers, miners will receive less money. Actually the more correct, would be that on the pool with hoppers, miners receive the exact money they are supposed to receive on a Prop pool. Without hoppers they just receive more bonuses from the short blocks. Blaming hoppers for this is like blaming poker players that they only play good hands and fold on bad hands. Or blaming some people that they only buy lottery coupons when there is a cumulation and the EV from such buy is above 0 and as such reducing the reward for everyday-lottery-players. Hoppers so use the system for their benefits. The first people who started using GPU instead of CPU for mining were also using the system for their benefits, where they suddenly found an "unfair" advantage.

Network stability is related to the implementation of hopping rather than hopping itself. Hopefully BH will improve and be more efficient with retrieving data. But still, our first choice is JSON, which should be cheap for the pool server. If a pool fakes JSON then we download their website

Mining is a game of chance and game of skill. To mine effectively, you need to use the best software and best hardware, otherwise the results are going to be sub-optimal. Every new GPU added to the network causes all other miners to loose their income. Every new version of mining software kernels also give more money to miners using it on the expense of miners who don't. Mining bitcoins is all about taking it from other miners.

[lucita777]

w.  When they do steal blocks they submit them under their private wallet, not through their pool.

But the miners found a hash for the block with an address belonging to a pool. Pool owner cannot change the address, as it would render the hash useless.
Pool owner can hide the block and don't report it on website and don't pay for it. If it is rare enough, then it would be hard to detect.

[cirz8]

Which is why you would use a new address for every block, call it a security feature or whatever 

[Grinder]

You guys are just stupid. If your had just shut up or at least kept your bragging of how profitable it is and your silly attempts at justifying pool jumping to this thread you could have gotten away with it for a while longer. Now you're even doing it in the pool's threads. That has of course pissed off the miners who wasn't aware of what is going on, putting even more pressure on the pool owners to protect the more loyal users.

[teukon]

You guys are just stupid. If your had just shut up or at least kept your bragging of how profitable it is and your silly attempts at justifying pool jumping to this thread you could have gotten away with it for a while longer. Now you're even doing it in the pool's threads. That has of course pissed off the miners who wasn't aware of what is going on, putting even more pressure on the pool owners to protect the more loyal users.

I think you want the "Is pool hopping ethical" thread.

[joulesbeef]

one this thread does need to get back to development.

but I dont think hopping is much of a secret.. Still I agree people.. like me.. should tone it down a bit.

And it is Not all that profitable for the work involved. I get about 0.1 BTC a day more than i would normally.. no lie, but it keeps it a bit better than my electricity costs. and keeps me going for a tiny bit longer.

[MrSam]

You would better all join triplemining .. The pool that welcomes y'all

Help me crack this block and i promise i'll be the first pool to reward hoppers with BTC

www.triplemining.com

Every block finder gets 5 additional BTC

[r2edu]

my bh jump to that pool a few minutes ago, but i realize that the previous round keeps going, so: are you faking the stats??

if that is not the case i´ll set up in "mine_charity" to help it finish that block, kinda like that pool

[macboy80]

You would better all join triplemining .. The pool that welcomes y'all

Help me crack this block and i promise i'll be the first pool to reward hoppers with BTC

www.triplemining.com

Every block finder gets 5 additional BTC

I've got everything I have pointed to you. Glad to help

[joulesbeef]

I like triple a lot, and made out like a bandit hopping onto solidcoins while the diff was low.

I'll be glad to point my miner your way.. i wont help much but you can have my hashes

[r2edu]

I can´t make it run the latest version 0.2.2.4-2, it just pop-up the dos window and shut down immediately..

starting with --auth user,pass --p2pLP --scheduler(with & without =)OldDefaultScheduler

[Sukrim]

You're probably missing some of the new dependencies - read the Readme.

Also DOS is gone since Windows ME... this is simply the command line of Windows, nothing related to DOS.

[lucita777]

A couple of days ago I switched to the new version of BH and notices some weird behavior.
After some time pools like mtred, ozco are being switched to api_disable. However most of the time shares and scheduler seems to work for them. Does anyone else hit this problem?

btw. BH doesn't show any stats disturbances on Tripplemining chart for me, so I pointed one miner towards it

[hawks5999]

You guys are just stupid. If your had just shut up or at least kept your bragging of how profitable it is and your silly attempts at justifying pool jumping to this thread you could have gotten away with it for a while longer. Now you're even doing it in the pool's threads. That has of course pissed off the miners who wasn't aware of what is going on, putting even more pressure on the pool owners to protect the more loyal users.

+9000

[neptop]

I receive this with the latest code.

Code:

[09:19:17] Error in pool api for abcpool
Connecting...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\bithop\work.py", line 66, in jsonrpc_call
    url = "http://" + info['mine_address']
KeyError: 'mine_address'
[09:19:18] Updating NameCoin Difficulty
Connect returned

[r2edu]

You're probably missing some of the new dependencies - read the Readme.

Also DOS is gone since Windows ME... this is simply the command line of Windows, nothing related to DOS.

Ok hehe... you know what i mean

Yeap, i don´t have the eventlet one, also i don´t have the greenlet package, i try to download it but there is no version for py 2.7.. do i have to update py? in the readme says "2.7 (recommeded)"....

[organofcorti]

You guys are just stupid. If your had just shut up or at least kept your bragging of how profitable it is and your silly attempts at justifying pool jumping to this thread you could have gotten away with it for a while longer. Now you're even doing it in the pool's threads. That has of course pissed off the miners who wasn't aware of what is going on, putting even more pressure on the pool owners to protect the more loyal users.

What did he say his efficiency level was? OVER 9000 ??!?!?

[Atroxes]

You're probably missing some of the new dependencies - read the Readme.

Also DOS is gone since Windows ME... this is simply the command line of Windows, nothing related to DOS.

Ok hehe... you know what i mean

Yeap, i don´t have the eventlet one, also i don´t have the greenlet package, i try to download it but there is no version for py 2.7.. do i have to update py? in the readme says "2.7 (recommeded)"....

http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/