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August 07, 2011, 01:20:45 AM
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Well, with about ~100-150 GH/s at hand we can also threaten PPS pools to code in a function that checks for winning shares and withholds them... Would be interesting to code but a kinda shitty thing to do (and also help nothing in pool hopping - the only way to migitate would be using a more secure way of doing getworks, preferrably like p2ppool, where miners can choose their transactions).


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Each block is stacked on top of the previous one. Adding another block to the top makes all lower blocks more difficult to remove: there is more "weight" above each block. A transaction in a block 6 blocks deep (6 confirmations) will be very difficult to remove.
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August 07, 2011, 01:52:38 AM
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Thats normal. generally miners are lazy and may drop lp connections as there own protocols time out. If your mining client barfs though when recieving an LP then there is something wrong.

Withholding winning shares.
The issue is it hurts us as well. A winning share has the payment to the pool encoded in its data. Its impossible to change that and still have it be a winning share. So you make less money.

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August 07, 2011, 02:08:45 AM
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Why is my bithopper mining on eligius(backup) when bitclockers is on 28%? It mined bitclockers for a bit but then it changed to a red font color in the stats screen and went onto eligius, but nothing appears to be wrong with bitclockers..

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August 07, 2011, 02:16:18 AM
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Why is my bithopper mining on eligius(backup) when bitclockers is on 28%? It mined bitclockers for a bit but then it changed to a red font color in the stats screen and went onto eligius, but nothing appears to be wrong with bitclockers..

manually set it to mine bitclockers and watch it all fall apart. I get around 20 to 50% stale from them, and 0.5 to 2% everywhere else. Look at the last  few pages for details.

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August 07, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
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I dont get that high in rejects.. maybe 6% with bitclockers.. it does go red often and kick me off, so i dont get many shares there.

which pool you on.. yeah I'm sure you tried them all.. but which one.

and what is with bitcoin.lc.. i guess they are delaying stats but giving us the right stats? seemed to never hit zero but was suddenly 30%

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August 07, 2011, 02:40:34 AM
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I dont get that high in rejects.. maybe 6% with bitclockers.. it does go red often and kick me off, so i dont get many shares there.

which pool you on.. yeah I'm sure you tried them all.. but which one.

and what is with bitcoin.lc.. i guess they are delaying stats but giving us the right stats? seemed to never hit zero but was suddenly 30%


I'm using pools 1 2 and 3 concurrently.

It was getting so bad that I even tried a 1 share altslice between the three servers - I put a worker on each server and gave them the names bitclockers bitclockers2 etc as if they were actually different pools. I tried to just server a share at a time to each pool hoping it would slow down my getwork rate and fix stales. This got my stales down to 20 - 25%. Not nearly good enough.

re bclc - even if they are delaying, mining from say 30 to 43% is still more efficient than mining PPS. SO don't worry about it - in the long run missing a little from one pool is no big deal.

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August 07, 2011, 02:43:08 AM
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I've totally given up with bitclockers until we work out what the problem is.    If it works ok in Cherry Picker then I guess it's something in the bitHopper code.
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August 07, 2011, 02:57:06 AM
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Data point on biclockers:
With Cherry: .513% stales.
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August 07, 2011, 03:02:44 AM
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Using Altslicer, Slush currently on 14%, still requesting work...

EDIT:  Stopped it manually at 18% as I'm heading out and don't trust it to stop on its own.  Regardless, it's not quite working as intended yet.

Sounds like it was actually set to mine rather than mine_slush for some reason. I heard of someone else having that problem back a few pages. I just caught the current block at slush's and it stop slicing right at 11% so it does work at least part of the time. Catching those really quick blocks with such a small time investment is gold. Smiley

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August 07, 2011, 03:04:04 AM
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Data point on biclockers:
With Cherry: .513% stales.
2.3Gh/s on one worker from 10 GPUs
Same account and worker since before I started hopping.
FWIW.

with my poclbm mod i am running at 0.28% and 0.33% stales (only twominers running).

and still using the nicer stats grabbing and pool decisions from bitthopper Smiley
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August 07, 2011, 03:11:35 AM
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with my poclbm mod i am running at 0.28% and 0.33% stales (only twominers running).

and still using the nicer stats grabbing and pool decisions from bitthopper

so you arent using cherry picker.. just modded poclbm and bithopper?

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August 07, 2011, 03:17:32 AM
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with my poclbm mod i am running at 0.28% and 0.33% stales (only twominers running).

and still using the nicer stats grabbing and pool decisions from bitthopper

so you arent using cherry picker.. just modded poclbm and bithopper?

yes,

my poclbm-mod connects to bithopper and loads a pool list from there.

it checks the page every three seconds and switches (with no stale or rejects) to the new bithopper-current

you'll lose the worker management and submitted shares display in bithopper (and it sometimes shows an exception on a flaky connection - which could safely be ignored [just had no time to fix it right now])

btw. i am working on this atm: http://miner.k1024.de
its pre pre pre alpha. only thing that works:
a nice stats page where two bithopper instances pushes their round share information.
they are both running on different networks - just to make sure the pools dont start playing "whats your ip" with us

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August 07, 2011, 03:22:27 AM
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neat i have some questions but I'll put it in your thread

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August 07, 2011, 03:32:52 AM
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Using Altslicer, Slush currently on 14%, still requesting work...

EDIT:  Stopped it manually at 18% as I'm heading out and don't trust it to stop on its own.  Regardless, it's not quite working as intended yet.

Sounds like it was actually set to mine rather than mine_slush for some reason. I heard of someone else having that problem back a few pages. I just caught the current block at slush's and it stop slicing right at 11% so it does work at least part of the time. Catching those really quick blocks with such a small time investment is gold. Smiley

It was definitely set to mine_slush Sad
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August 07, 2011, 03:52:35 AM
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i just realized something weird.

I run two bithoppers on two different rigs, exact same bithopper, ran with altslicer...one hops to deepbit, the other one to polmine.
restarted the bithopper, same thing.


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August 07, 2011, 04:41:56 AM
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i just realized something weird.

I run two bithoppers on two different rigs, exact same bithopper, ran with altslicer...one hops to deepbit, the other one to polmine.
restarted the bithopper, same thing.


what's going on?  Huh

Ahh the joys of programming. Code an application, works great on the computer its coded on but then gives different results on each different computer its on. It's probably one of those things where you have a different version of something and its just slightly different. Like possibly different version of twisted on each computer.

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August 07, 2011, 04:47:57 AM
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i just realized something weird.

I run two bithoppers on two different rigs, exact same bithopper, ran with altslicer...one hops to deepbit, the other one to polmine.
restarted the bithopper, same thing.


what's going on?  Huh

Ahh the joys of programming. Code an application, works great on the computer its coded on but then gives different results on each different computer its on. It's probably one of those things where you have a different version of something and its just slightly different. Like possibly different version of twisted on each computer.

Or maybe the little green men that run around inside the computer have slightly different preferences. What, you didn't know there were tiny people in your computer? Why do you think cpus and gpus get so hot then? With all those tiny bodies getting hot running around they need lots of aircon, and that's why we have fans and water cooling.

Sorry this is slightly off topic but it's important for people to understand the basics of computing.

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Or maybe the little green men that run around inside the computer have slightly different preferences. What, you didn't know there were tiny people in your computer? Why do you think cpus and gpus get so hot then? With all those tiny bodies getting hot running around they need lots of aircon, and that's why we have fans and water cooling.

Sorry this is slightly off topic but it's important for people to understand the basics of computing.

cheers

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No no I agree, its fundamental that people understand how computers work. One thing you left out though is that you can accidentally drown the green men if you use water cooling and if you do that its game over. Need to make sure its not too deep for them when your setting it up.

Again off topic, but it's a good tip Smiley

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Or maybe the little green men that run around inside the computer have slightly different preferences. What, you didn't know there were tiny people in your computer? Why do you think cpus and gpus get so hot then? With all those tiny bodies getting hot running around they need lots of aircon, and that's why we have fans and water cooling.

Sorry this is slightly off topic but it's important for people to understand the basics of computing.

cheers

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No no I agree, its fundamental that people understand how computers work. One thing you left out though is that you can accidentally drown the green men if you use water cooling and if you do that its game over. Need to make sure its not too deep for them when your setting it up.

Again off topic, but it's a good tip Smiley

Yes. very good point. Too much water means they'll either drown, or grow pot and smoke it - either way they stop working, in the latter case with a puff of smoke.

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August 07, 2011, 05:29:13 AM
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i just realized something weird.

I run two bithoppers on two different rigs, exact same bithopper, ran with altslicer...one hops to deepbit, the other one to polmine.
restarted the bithopper, same thing.


what's going on?  Huh

Ahh the joys of programming. Code an application, works great on the computer its coded on but then gives different results on each different computer its on. It's probably one of those things where you have a different version of something and its just slightly different. Like possibly different version of twisted on each computer.
both are exactly the same version of twisted, openssl, and zope.

eh, i guess it's just part of the fun.


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