Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013

[Bogart]

Yifu i really really appreciate you communicating...

Same here.  I hope it continues.

[koob]

So where is my compensation for the issue with my 2 Avalon Batch 2 machines??

As a Batch 2 machine buyer i placed faith in you and the company... i got screwed to the tune of 130 BTC, due to your mistakes...

Where is my compensation? Seeing as you have "no problems compensation for delay", please compensate me for the delay.

Exactly same like B3 buyers - 2-3 months delay made our ROI pretty impossible.

[WinTame2012]

So where is my compensation for the issue with my 2 Avalon Batch 2 machines??

As a Batch 2 machine buyer i placed faith in you and the company... i got screwed to the tune of 130 BTC, due to your mistakes...

Where is my compensation? Seeing as you have "no problems compensation for delay", please compensate me for the delay.

Exactly same like B3 buyers - 2-3 months delay made our ROI pretty impossible.

Don't forget that there was another 2-4 weeks delay in (edit) Batch 3 units (/edit) shipping even after the 'refund-or-receive' offer, forced customers to decide in only 2 days. And that 4 weeks made a huge difference in breaking even the hardware as difficulty has ramped up a 90%.

[alpet]

Exactly same like B3 buyers - 2-3 months delay made our ROI pretty impossible.

+ 1 Graham's number

Yifu please don't kill your business by greed, simple compensate unreasonably high price for B3 Avalons.

[jspielberg]

Not sure if this makes any difference, but since folks are fascinated with fiat... the B2 avalon's were $1.5K BTC equivalent at the time of sale.  B3 were $5K and $7.5K equivalent... and there is a running thread on how B2 machines broke even (in BTC for the those confused) a couple of weeks back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283735.0

When B3 were offered a refund, it would have been smart to jump on it.  The math (and evidence) looks very different for the B2 folks.  Anyone complaining about B2 is holding it wrong.

[superduh]

Not sure if this makes any difference, but since folks are fascinated with fiat... the B2 avalon's were $1.5K BTC equivalent at the time of sale.  B3 were $5K and $7.5K equivalent... and there is a running thread on how B2 machines broke even (in BTC for the those confused) a couple of weeks back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283735.0

When B3 were offered a refund, it would have been smart to jump on it.  The math (and evidence) looks very different for the B2 folks.  Anyone complaining about B2 is holding it wrong.

there were complications for B2 and B3 refunding for example - those in group buys and those that have purchased pre orders from others at a higher price. they would get screwed by a regular refund. best thing to do was to keep his end of agreement. then this thread wouldn't even exist.

[Bitcoinorama]

I honestly cannot see what Yifu can do to appease everyone after all this with respect to refunds after building a business based around using peoples money like an interest free loan, when evidence suggests fraudulent activity, but i'd suggest a detailed and accurate statement of accounts with supporting evidence is the only fair way to deal with this, and would go a long way to keeping the 'trolls', as he calls his customers, at bay.

It's concerning that his comments are neither detailed, supported and are largely non-commital, as such few believe his turn of events.

Yifu, straight-up mate, you know right from wrong, no one doubts that much, but you are going to have to provide a detailed timeline with evidence based on communications and literature from TSMC, and customs dockets, all of which you blatantly have in your possession to prevent this from getting messy.

The fact that vocal discontent involving criminal proceedings and litigation is the only way to provoke a reaction and what appears to be half-truths is very worrying as it appears you don't want to commit in writing what could be used against you.

If you are being honest as you claim, you really should have nothing to hide, if you try to lie, you will slip up, it's inevitable, and it's already looking that way.

Sort it out mate, and pronto. as so far it does not wash, and this is more than the odd thousand dollars someone could just remain angry about. The beef surrounds people's livelihoods, you stand to ruin people.

[erschiessen]

Refunds coming from the address that Yifu insinuated no control over.

No word at all to the reasons behind the 11+ week DELAY on early orders.

Then he claims that upset customers are greedy and affecting his chi?

Wow.

[kjj]

Anyone complaining about B2 is holding it wrong.

Or, you know, not holding it at all.  Like me, for example.  I placed my B2 orders on February 3rd and hadn't heard a peep from them until a few days ago.

[eve]

those mods who did the group buy are doing their twist and turns when giving  a refund, when they need us for their group buy they beg us and makes all the false promises to enticed us to sign up for their group buy. most of them had got their refunds from yifu. Majority of us simply just need a full refund.

some may have been whore into the DIY designs offer by them but that is not our problem, that is your problem with them, not those who did not sign up for any of your DIY Kits or setups and this are the ones who should get their refunds now.

Full Refund Now.

[Unacceptable]

those mods who did the group buy are doing their twist and turns when giving  a refund, when they need us for their group buy they beg us and makes all the false promises to enticed us to sign up for their group buy. most of them had got their refunds from yifu. Majority of us simply just need a full refund.

some may have been whore into the DIY designs offer by them but that is not our problem, that is your problem with them, not those who did not sign up for any of your DIY Kits or setups and this are the ones who should get their refunds now.

Full Refund Now.

                       

The GB organizers had no idea it would turnout like this!!It was make chips,ship chips...no assembly,no headache.You are dense aren't you

[rudrigorc2]

Hello BitSyncom, why you are advertising batch5 avalon mini, the tradein thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140974.540

Care to give us a word on this matter?

[Tursk]

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The GB organizers had no idea it would turnout like this!!It was make chips,ship chips...no assembly,no headache.You are dense aren't you

Please ignore that troll.

[greaterninja]

Avalon / Yifu still have not added my trade-ins to my store account.  I have completed business with Avalon twice now, however the trade-ins issue is an outstanding issue.  
2/3 issues resolved on a neutral issue
1/3 issues still outstanding;  customer service has been quite poor and now its going on 5 months later.

Trade-ins Signed by Mr. Chen Still not in store account. #1530
Created on Sat, Aug 31 at 2:14 PM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-IN NOT IN STORE YET #1508
Created on Mon, Aug 26 at 12:20 PM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-INS SIGNED BY MR. CHEN; NOT POSTED IN AVALON STORE ACCOUNT #1495
Created on Wed, Aug 21 at 4:09 AM
BEING PROCESSED
Order is still not in Store Account #1487
Created on Sun, Aug 18 at 10:42 PM
BEING PROCESSED
Trade-ins Please Sir ADD to Store Account #1476
Created on Tue, Aug 13 at 10:15 AM
BEING PROCESSED
Sir Please Add Trade-In to Store #1454
Created on Tue, Aug 6 at 12:21 PM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-IN NOT IN STORE YET #1453
Created on Tue, Aug 6 at 12:20 PM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-IN NOT IN STORE YET #1452
Created on Tue, Aug 6 at 12:20 PM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-IN NOT IN STORE YET #1451
Created on Tue, Aug 6 at 12:19 PM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-IN NOT IN STORE YET #1450
Created on Tue, Aug 6 at 12:18 PM
BEING PROCESSED
Sir Please Add Trade-In to Store #1424
Created on Tue, Jul 30 at 2:50 PM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-IN NOT IN STORE YET #1409
Created on Wed, Jul 24 at 11:53 AM
BEING PROCESSED
TRADE-IN NOT IN STORE YET #1408
Created on Wed, Jul 24 at 11:51 AM
BEING PROCESSED
Hello Sir, Please add my trade-in to my store account. #1351
Created on Mon, Jul 15 at 11:01 AM
BEING PROCESSED
Sir Please help with Avalon Trade-In #1235
Created on Tue, Jul 2 at 11:29 AM

[pikeadz]

Hello BitSyncom, why you are advertising batch5 avalon mini, the tradein thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140974.540

Care to give us a word on this matter?

+1

Yifu,  please give us an update on trade-ins.  We have sent you the boards in April!!!
I has been over 4 months.

Remember you said:

- Trade-ins will have batch 2 pricing
- Trade-ins will be sent before batch 2

So what happened?

- some trade-ins (2-4) got their orders with $1600 sticker price (instead of $1500-trade-in value)
- batch 2 and 3 have been processed, no trade-ins have been received by anyone on this forum

Now, you talk about batch 5?  Talk about trade-ins...

Here's your update on trade-ins:  You're not getting one.  Sorry.

[klovishey]

Here's your update on trade-ins:  You're not getting one.  Sorry.

Why? Avalon is still in business, so trade-ins culd be done in future...

[Minor Miner]

you can buy overpriced chips "in stock" at chinese market, chips pre-funded by bitcointalk community.
we have no chips, meanwhile chinese resellers have chips in stock with production date corelating with our orders.
troll harder

Yea, because it's impossible that those chips were ordered by a Chinese reseller whose interested in bitcoin and got there before the group buys did.  Right?  There's no way that could possibly happen, right?

Ben, If they were ordered by a chinese reseller, he WOULD NOT have shipped them out of the country (track the chips) just to REIMPORT back into china.   It is hard to get stuff out of china but harder and more expensive to get stuff in.   I think your theory is weak.

[bigbeninlondon]

you can buy overpriced chips "in stock" at chinese market, chips pre-funded by bitcointalk community.
we have no chips, meanwhile chinese resellers have chips in stock with production date corelating with our orders.
troll harder

Yea, because it's impossible that those chips were ordered by a Chinese reseller whose interested in bitcoin and got there before the group buys did.  Right?  There's no way that could possibly happen, right?

Ben, If they were ordered by a chinese reseller, he WOULD NOT have shipped them out of the country (track the chips) just to REIMPORT back into china.   It is hard to get stuff out of china but harder and more expensive to get stuff in.   I think your theory is weak.

First, wasn't the import from TSMC in Taiwan?  So wouldn't they have to import them to China anyway?

Second, not all chip purchases were represented in that photo. 

Third, not all chip purchases were part of the public domain.

Fourth, I'm throwing out possible scenarios to point out that when all information is not known, jumping to conclusions can have disastrous consequences.  My main thesis is to act on the information available, and not to speculate and come up with conspiracy theories.

[Stack]

Actually, quite a bit is known about where the groupbuyers stand in line....

Spreadsheet derived from BTC movement to Avalon
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE#gid=0

[bigbeninlondon]

Actually, quite a bit is known about where the groupbuyers stand in line....

Spreadsheet derived from BTC movement to Avalon
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE#gid=0

I guess the one payment address is the only one available, considering everyone knows payment is public, and no one would ever want to protect their privacy.  Right?  I mean, Right?  There's no possible way other deals were being made in private with different addresses.  No way.  Right?  Right?!

Come on, quit having me come up with scenarios where your theories are wrong; there are a ton of them.  Until we have proof one way or the other, this is a silly game and I don't want to play anymore.