Merit & new rank requirements

[Doan9269]

Just like I have said before, merit system has been the reason we have quality posts on this forum. If merit system was not introduced, this forum would be a place of trash posts.

You can noticed someone not posting as good as another person, but having more merit, but still he is having merits and ranking higher. People that are giving merit can be partial, especially those on local boards, but merit still ensures that posting quality on this forum is achieved.

Merit system is not a direct cause of quality posts on the forum. Qualified content existed even before the implementation of this system. Moreover, many users who have been here on the forum almost since its inception claim that there were more high-quality discussions than now. Merits did not affect the improvement of the quality of the posts. They just contributed to reducing the number of users who spam.

In my point of view, the most notable thing the merit system does is that it draws a line between quality posters and spammer. The higher number of merits below your forum names represents his dedication, contribution, and ability of that person to make quality comments. When i saw some posts that got merited i tried to read them all in case i might learn something new.

The merit system was introduced as a means of separating the shaft fro grains, if you're a spammer or troller, the merit system will bounce on you and halt you down from growing, this will now advance to helping people know that it is required of them to be a quality posters, if not then they will remain on the same spot without ranking up, not giving a quality post may not result into ban since it's not on the forum rules and regulations to ban users not engaging quality posts, but ca results to being tagged and your posted being deleted or moved to off topic, the merit system instroduced helped alot to know those who are serious from those who were not on this forum.

[Etranger]

Just like I have said before, merit system has been the reason we have quality posts on this forum. If merit system was not introduced, this forum would be a place of trash posts.

You can noticed someone not posting as good as another person, but having more merit, but still he is having merits and ranking higher. People that are giving merit can be partial, especially those on local boards, but merit still ensures that posting quality on this forum is achieved.

Merit system is not a direct cause of quality posts on the forum. Qualified content existed even before the implementation of this system. Moreover, many users who have been here on the forum almost since its inception claim that there were more high-quality discussions than now. Merits did not affect the improvement of the quality of the posts. They just contributed to reducing the number of users who spam.

In my point of view, the most notable thing the merit system does is that it draws a line between quality posters and spammer. The higher number of merits below your forum names represents his dedication, contribution, and ability of that person to make quality comments. When i saw some posts that got merited i tried to read them all in case i might learn something new.

In order to draw a line between a quality poster and a spammer, it is not enough to look only at the number of merits. Unfortunately, there is still trade in merits and accounts on the forum. And an unqualified spammer can write from a promoted account. Or a large number of merits may be due to the initial distribution, when the system was first introduced. And after that, the user practically did not earn merits. So, in order to evaluate the user, you need to conduct a more detailed and qualitative analysis, and not let the number of merits mislead you.

The merit system was introduced as a means of separating the shaft fro grains, if you're a spammer or troller, the merit system will bounce on you and halt you down from growing, this will now advance to helping people know that it is required of them to be a quality posters, if not then they will remain on the same spot without ranking up, not giving a quality post may not result into ban since it's not on the forum rules and regulations to ban users not engaging quality posts, but ca results to being tagged and your posted being deleted or moved to off topic, the merit system instroduced helped alot to know those who are serious from those who were not on this forum.

There is no doubt that merit system made a great contribution to the development of the forum and decrease in the number of spammers and trash posters. However, we cannot make a wrong conclusion that it happened solely because of the merit system. It is necessary to take into account the fading interest in the forums in general. Therefore, those who remain here must be quite devoted to this format of communication. Moreover, a huge number of spammers were associated with more opportunities to earn money on signature campaigns and bounties. Now there are fewer such opportunities, and this is killing the interest of those who registered only for the sake of monetary rewards.

[Bushdark]

Just like I have said before, merit system has been the reason we have quality posts on this forum. If merit system was not introduced, this forum would be a place of trash posts.

You can noticed someone not posting as good as another person, but having more merit, but still he is having merits and ranking higher. People that are giving merit can be partial, especially those on local boards, but merit still ensures that posting quality on this forum is achieved.

Merit system is not a direct cause of quality posts on the forum. Qualified content existed even before the implementation of this system. Moreover, many users who have been here on the forum almost since its inception claim that there were more high-quality discussions than now. Merits did not affect the improvement of the quality of the posts. They just contributed to reducing the number of users who spam.

In my point of view, the most notable thing the merit system does is that it draws a line between quality posters and spammer. The higher number of merits below your forum names represents his dedication, contribution, and ability of that person to make quality comments. When i saw some posts that got merited i tried to read them all in case i might learn something new.

The merit system was introduced as a means of separating the shaft fro grains, if you're a spammer or troller, the merit system will bounce on you and halt you down from growing, this will now advance to helping people know that it is required of them to be a quality posters, if not then they will remain on the same spot without ranking up, not giving a quality post may not result into ban since it's not on the forum rules and regulations to ban users not engaging quality posts, but ca results to being tagged and your posted being deleted or moved to off topic, the merit system instroduced helped alot to know those who are serious from those who were not on this forum.

You have really enlightened more on the merit system which is a way to reduce those people that are not ready to impact to the community. If there was no merit system then things are going to go the other way round. This is why people that are not ready to be active and impact to the community with good posts are not growing in merits at all.

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

[Alone055]

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

[arhipova]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts. So, it will be the good posters who will be rewarded if there are more merits in circulation.

[Shamm]

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

In general boards there are enough merits source they can circulate more merits if they found a good quality post. But some concern are from local boards which they need a merit source cause not all user here in our community know our universal language of users stay on their local contributing good quality post using their languages. So they must need a merit source to rewards those users. Anyways there are some reason that a local board need merit source cause their past merit source are not active or else leave the forum forever.

[Tmoonz]

It is just that merit is used to make this forum to have quality posts.

You are right on that, is merits system is another way building forum user confidence in given that motivation and encouragement that your doing things rightly, for me I do feel more better of when a merit source merit my post it makes me to strive more harder in learning and  making a meaningful and helpful post in other to gain more merit, merits is more like an excitement and flavour added to the system, the merits system also has a away of sustainability of respect as per hirachies, like the different ranks, the adoption of the merits system is very much ok.

[uchegod-21]

It is just that merit is used to make this forum to have quality posts.

You are right on that, is merits system is another way building forum user confidence in given that motivation and encouragement that your doing things rightly, for me I do feel more better of when a merit source merit my post it makes me to strive more harder in learning and  making a meaningful and helpful post in other to gain more merit, merits is more like an excitement and flavour added to the system, the merits system also has a away of sustainability of respect as per hirachies, like the different ranks, the adoption of the merits system is very much ok.

The purpose of the merit system is not to discourage ranking up, rather it is to discourage spamming. I have read that the level of spam in this forum as at 2018 was very much. It was so bad that some people even decided to leave the forum because of large level of spamming. With the present day forum you will understand that the merit system has done its function and it is still doing more. Many people and including myself complain that it is very difficult to end merit. I am beginning to realize that it is fine that way, if merit is that easy to earn, it might not be able to serve its function again. All we need to ask for is fair circulation of merit among different boards and local boards. As I have always said that no system is perfect but the bitcointalk merit system is effective.

[Coyster]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

It is Theymos that adds new merit sources, and to become a merit source you have to apply for it, and there are requirements to apply for the role of a merit source in Bitcointalk, one of which is the user must be a reputable users. Theymos is not going to make users who are not reputable MS's, and the chances of reputable users abusing their source merits is very slim, so there is nothing to be worried about.

[Dunamisx]

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

Moderators are not the ones in charge for the allocation of merits, the admin is in charge, they have plan and format on how they do that once they see the needs for such even without having to request for that.

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

We are having enough merits sources already but having more to help the ones existing is never a bad idea, as we know some already left the forum while some are not active again as before, merit will not land in the hands of abusers as long as only quality posts are being qualified to receiving merits.

[BITCOIN4X]

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We are having enough merits sources already but having more to help the ones existing is never a bad idea, as we know some already left the forum while some are not active again as before, merit will not land in the hands of abusers as long as only quality posts are being qualified to receiving merits.

Maybe not, I mean there are some local board that don't have their own merit source like Nigeria and several others so the word "enough" at this time might not be appropriate. Moreover, there are several boards that are rarely paid attention to by merit source that have a low merit distribution, there they also need a merit source in my opinion.

Admin still needs to add several new merit sources even though so far we have "There are 109 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33140 sMerit per 30 days". But there are many applications that have not been accepted.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I dunno why y'all bumping this ancient thread over an issue that looks as derailing as this...
look, if you wanna make your suggestions on whatever topic that is, why not create another thread or better still, stick to  this   ??
Whether or not Theymos increases the normal monthly allocation of merit should be base on a debate, not some unanimous decisions or objection - This ain't even the best place to base off an argument

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[virasog]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts. So, it will be the good posters who will be rewarded if there are more merits in circulation.

Do you mean that the good posters will be rewarded more if there are more merits in circulation ?

I think that theymos and the mods know how many merits to send to each merit source and they are the better judge to see if these merits fulfill the requirements. Also, we should also know that it is not only the merit source who can distribute merits, also every receiver can send one merit when he gets 2 merits, so this also has to be taken into account when allocating merits to the merit sources.
So, for example if a merit source has 1000 smerits to send at his disposal, technically it is 1500 merits that can be distributed.

[Etranger]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts. So, it will be the good posters who will be rewarded if there are more merits in circulation.

I believe the main reason for increasing the number of merit courses is the need to to update the number of people holding such powers. We always need fresh input, new perspectives on the situation. This is the only way to talk about development, about moving forward. Otherwise, the general background will remain the same.

[Rikafip]

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts.

How can you be so sure that those two groups of users won't get merit from merit sources? Anyone who sends merit to enough users will eventually sent some merit to some dodgy member who abuses/break forum rules. That's just how things work.

[brownn]

So, for example if a merit source has 1000 smerits to send at his disposal, technically it is 1500 merits that can be distributed.

It will be more than 1500. 1000 merit receivers will have 500. Now this 500 merit receivers can send 250 and so on.

[LoyceV]

Anyone who sends merit to enough users will eventually sent some merit to some dodgy member who abuses/break forum rules.

If said dodgy member posts a good post, the Merit is deserved. Let the Mods deal with rule breakers, that's not what the Merit system is for.
I sometimes think of Meriting a plagiarising Newbie right before he gets banned, just to make it hurt more. But that would be Merit abuse so I don't do it.

[joker_josue]

If anyone wants to Read my Threads and give Merit, Feel Free.

Does anyone know when I can give my First Merit? When do we get our First Merits to Share?

First you have to receive merits, and then you can give merits. For every 2 merits received, you can give 1 merit.
To give merits to a post, simply click on the "+Merit" button, which is located next to the "quote" button.


Now the most important thing, before you start giving merit, is to make quality posts to be able to receive merit. To do this, try to get involved in the themes of the topics, share information you have, and raise questions that you find useful for yourself and others.

[LoyceV]

First you have to receive merits, and then you can give merits. For every 2 merits received, you can give 1 merit.

You're explaining what could be read in the OP to someone who's post has now been deleted by a Mod.
I just clicked Ignore so I don't waste my time reading his posts again.

make quality posts to be able to receive merit. To do this, try to get involved in the themes of the topics, share information you have, and raise questions that you find useful for yourself and others.

In my experience, shitposters trying to do what you suggested still produce shitposts.

[joker_josue]

First you have to receive merits, and then you can give merits. For every 2 merits received, you can give 1 merit.

You're explaining what could be read in the OP to someone who's post has now been deleted by a Mod.
I just clicked Ignore so I don't waste my time reading his posts again.

make quality posts to be able to receive merit. To do this, try to get involved in the themes of the topics, share information you have, and raise questions that you find useful for yourself and others.

In my experience, shitposters trying to do what you suggested still produce shitposts.

I was caught... Sometimes it happens.
We want to be minimally useful, and then we end up falling for these things.

Those who are shitposters will always be shitposters, no matter what advice we give them. There may be some who change, but when they create the account with that objective, they hardly change. Unfortunately, some of these accounts, even though they are alts of recognized and helpful members of our community, still want to have this "second life" here on the forum.