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November 12, 2018, 08:56:15 PM
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As you know to communicate on the forum, we do not need  Merits, to participate in the bounty, too. Why, then, is everyone fixated on them..? Even software was developed to track this darkness.

But why not? it's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.

But that is just my opinion   Grin.

Also, give me some merit  Kiss
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November 12, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
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Also, give me some merit  Kiss

With your one line replies it's very unlikely anyone would be giving you any merits any time soon
You wrote it yourself,
It's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.


If you want to get merited you would have to give valuable and quality content that would be helpful to other members.
Effort is key. Merits are relatively easy to get as long as you can put in the effort into joining conversations and genuinely want to make the forum a better place.
One step at a time.

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November 13, 2018, 12:34:54 AM
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Once again.

Few merits / user = user will save merit for "the best posts" - but it could lead to not spend smerit at all...
Too much merit = spambots strikes again..
I just think that smertis should be better balanced or it won't be used

Once again.  

You do not seem to be saying much of anything nor making any meaningful criticism of the already existing merit system nor suggesting specific ways in which such supposed deficiencies could be remedied - beyond merely blanketly asserting that the current merit system is not sufficiently "balanced" from your perspective..  

Seems that if you were to want to convince anyone (beyond yourself) about your seemingly conclusory stance about the merit system, then you have the burden to show both factual evidence and logic rather than merely stating your seemingly subjective conclusion(s).

Another perspective could well be that the current merit balance has already been achieved, at least based on what information is currently available.  

Namely on about January 24, 2018, theymos communicated and activated our current merit system.  Subsequently, theymos has been tweaking such smerit implementation in accordance with monitoring how the system is playing out, suggestions that he becomes aware of and any other reasonable (or perhaps unreasonable) basis that he believes to be pertinent to consider.

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November 13, 2018, 12:50:59 AM
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Also, give me some merit  Kiss

With your one line replies it's very unlikely anyone would be giving you any merits any time soon
You wrote it yourself,
It's like a reward system for posting valuable content not just content.


If you want to get merited you would have to give valuable and quality content that would be helpful to other members.
Effort is key. Merits are relatively easy to get as long as you can put in the effort into joining conversations and genuinely want to make the forum a better place.
One step at a time.

Actually, you don't even really need to post anything that good in order to obtain some merit, so long as at least one member appreciates each of your posts enough to send you smerit, and each of those members sufficiently appreciates your post to spend one or more of his/her smerits. 

However, if there is a pattern of a newbie member providing absolutely shitty posts, then it becomes less and less likely that anyone is going to want to send that newbie any of their smerit because there is a bit of an exhaustion (or at least less tolerance for shitty posts, which attempting to lessen such shitty posts is part of the rationale that this merit system was implemented and lives on).

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November 13, 2018, 07:20:42 AM
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Am still trying to figure out this merit, it's requirement and it's source also, However i still believe one knows if he/she is a merit source? As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Or do sources have unlimited amounts of sMerit to give out, as opposed to 'anyone having higher or lower amount?
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November 13, 2018, 07:42:57 AM
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There are 119 Merit Sources that can generate up to 22045 sMerits every 30 days. These 119 Merit Sources obviously know they are Merit Sources, and were appointed to the task at some point by @theymos (be it because they volunteer for the task as reputable members, or thet @theymos thought they would deem fit). Each Merit Source has a different monthly allowance, some small (i.e. 50 sMerits per month), some large (i.e. 1000  sMerits per month). The allowance is decided by @theymos as per his criteria, and is refilled every 30 days (it’s a bit more complex really, but let’s not get into the details now).

The above are called Merit Sources, since they generate sMerit "out of thin air" every month. In addition, regular people (and Merit Sources themselves on top of the above) may have sMerit to award in their account if:

-   They had it airdropped on the 24th of January 2018, when the Merit System kicked off.
-   For every 2 (non-airdropped) Merits they have received, they have 1 sMerit to send.

Regular people with available sMerit are not called Merit Sources.

Now if you see a profile with say 100 Merits, that does not mean he has any sMerits available to give out, not that he ever had any. It depends on how and when he got those 100 Merits in the first place. You cannot see how much sMerit a user has available, although you can infer it to some extent.

For further details see: re: Who can award merits?.

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November 13, 2018, 07:47:06 AM
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Am still trying to figure out this merit, it's requirement and it's source also, However i still believe one knows if he/she is a merit source? As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Or do sources have unlimited amounts of sMerit to give out, as opposed to 'anyone having higher or lower amount?


Not everyone with airdropped Merit have sMerit, only those who have been active the past year.
Merit sources get additional sMerit amount which replenish 30 days after it's been used.
Merit Sources are aware of their status.

Merit is required only for to rank up, no additional benefits. The side effect is that the more merit you earn the better reputation you have here.

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November 13, 2018, 07:52:33 AM
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Am still trying to figure out this merit, it's requirement and it's source also, However i still believe one knows if he/she is a merit source? As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Or do sources have unlimited amounts of sMerit to give out, as opposed to 'anyone having higher or lower amount?


Was going to say something like:
yes you know if you are a merit source, and sources don’t have unlimited amount of smerit, but a given quantity that is charged each month. All other members get 1smerit to give away each 2merit earned.


But I’m going to say also:
This 3d should definetely be locked so instead of 300 more pages of the same questions and answers, people will be forced to read it.
It’s a good english comprehension exercise indeed.
Answer to this question is few comments before your. And in the op. And in every page of the 3d.

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November 13, 2018, 07:57:02 AM
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As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

sMerit is not part of your own merit. This is a separate indicator that appears after you have received merits (in the ratio 2:1). That is, if you were given 2 merits, you`ll automatically generate 1 sMerit, which you can send to another user for quality content. The fact that you give someone a merit doesn`t take away your existing merits. These are two different indicators that relate to each other only quantitatively.

Merit-sources know that they merit-sources. They are assigned by the administrator. Their sMerit are replenished in the number regardless of the number of their own merit, which they received. Therefore, if you have 94 sMerit, this doesn`t mean at all that you`re the merit-source. This situation may be in case you received 188 merit (188\2 = 94)
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November 13, 2018, 08:16:53 AM
Last edit: November 13, 2018, 08:36:13 AM by JayJuanGee
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As far as i understand, everyone who currently has merit, is able to give out a part of his merit in the form of sMerit. for example if you have 94sMerit, does this makes you a "source"

Merit-sources know that they merit-sources. They are assigned by the administrator. Their sMerit are replenished in the number regardless of the number of their own merit, which they received. Therefore, if you have 94 sMerit, this doesn`t mean at all that you`re the merit-source. This situation may be in case you received 188 merit (188\2 = 94)



The below message has been posted previously, but I suppose that it might not hurt to repeat it, especially when some peeps don't read (or want to read) this thread, as Speculatoross mentioned.

When a merit source prepares to send an smerit a quote, something like the below one is at the top of the source's page:

>>>>>>>>>You have received a total of xxxx merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have xxxx sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

You are a merit source. The next xxx merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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November 13, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
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This 3d should definetely be locked so instead of 300 more pages of the same questions and answers, people will be forced to read it.
It’s a good english comprehension exercise indeed.
Answer to this question is few comments before your. And in the op. And in every page of the 3d.

They don't want to read the rules after they got banned, and you suggest to you lock the thread and force them to read it. HOW???  No chance, it's just causa perduta.

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November 13, 2018, 12:30:45 PM
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I wanted to bring some friend to cryptocurrency world using oportunity of participation in bounty campaigns as encouragement

I understand spam problem - I am strong spam enemy, but this solution are stoping influx of new cryptocurrency community members..
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November 13, 2018, 03:25:19 PM
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I wanted to bring some friend to cryptocurrency world using oportunity of participation in bounty campaigns as encouragement
No man. You are encouraging them to just only earn some cash. This has nothing to do with cryptocurrency. You can invite them here for learning about cryptocurrency. This forum has been built for that purpose, firstly. So, the first usage of this forum should be gather information about cryptocurrency. Over the span of time, it has turned into a forum where 95% of the people only visit for earning money and you are trying to increase the number.
You know what today I have visited "The Bitcoin Cafe" in my country. For your info, in my country, any kinda transaction of cryptocurrency is illegal. Anyway, I thought it accepts bitcoin and that was my only vision to visit the place. Just I wanted to spend some time over there just because it accepts bitcoin (I thought, although it doesn't).  I could have some drinks from any other cafe while I went there just for having a visit of my country's first cryptocyrrency based cafe. So, my original purpose was to visit the place, not to have some drinks there.
The same should be for everyone in the case of this forum. People should join here for learning, not to make some cash.
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November 13, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
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as a beginner, I totally agree with the merit system, reflecting on myself, I know more about the rules or things that need to be done
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November 13, 2018, 03:41:46 PM
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I wanted to bring some friend to cryptocurrency world using oportunity of participation in bounty campaigns as encouragement

People are highly motivated by their personal gain and would react eagerly to the promise of earning a couple of $$ on the forum by posting.
And some could hardly see knowledge acquired as gain, although it is  more important and would out you in a better position to earn more through more opportunities.

Find a way to draw a common objective between earning and learning for your friend.
The new rank requirements actually ensures new users earn at least one merit to be able to wear signatures and join bounties.
I doubt your friend would want to pay for copper membership when s/he is expecting to be paid.
Set the priorities.
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November 13, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
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as a beginner, I totally agree with the merit system, reflecting on myself, I know more about the rules or things that need to be done

The new system does not need your agreement or approval, it rather needs your desire to contribute more to the forum.
And I went through the first three pages of your post history and they were all pyramids made in the bounty sections.

And then you make one post on meta and repeat it in another thread;
as a beginner, I really agree with the merit system, reflecting on myself, I know more about rules or things that need to be done and don't have to do

This looks very like merit begging and your content is still not adding any quality to the forum.
Take time to read. You can start with stickies this gives you a hang if the forums guidelines.
Consider posts of higher ranked members and how they achieved it.
Join conversations legitimately to help others out.
Avoid posts you have limited knowledge on. ( You can read and learn). Don't just post to attract attention.

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November 13, 2018, 11:28:34 PM
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I wanted to bring some friend to cryptocurrency world using oportunity of participation in bounty campaigns as encouragement

I understand spam problem - I am strong spam enemy, but this solution are stoping influx of new cryptocurrency community members..

Yeah, right.  Don't give up on your framing of bullshit, which is increasingly coming off as disingenuous the more that you pursue the topic. 

Clearly, you are full of shit.

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November 14, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
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I think only time will tell if Merit is really a positive addition to the forum. It all depends on how the Users will spend Merit. Will they really spend it on valuable posts or do they give it to people the know/like? So the community is responsible to use Merit as it should be.
There have a lot of merit analysis and people already have tasted the system almost 10 months. Therefore, it's quite clear. A lot of user with shitposts are now not able to rank up anymore.
Before the implementation of the system, people with redundant post from social media bounty would easily able to rank up with their reports only. I don't think it's gonna happen anymore, not a single time. Also, the people with repetive replies specially in altcoin discussion will not be able to rank up. Some exception may be the abuser. Well, abusers are also getting red painted.
Now, the point you have mentioned that it depends on sending sMerits. Well, there are currently 119 merit sources. Over the span of time, I strongly believe, theymos will implement some more merit sources, maybe more 100 or so. It can also be higher if we have qualitive application, IMO. Therefore, no one will face any kinda issue if s/he can post some good quality posts.
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November 14, 2018, 04:00:34 PM
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Let's visit my topic, created hours ago.
Time Series Analysis on Distributed Merits in the forum (daily, weekly, monthly)
One of time series plots in my topic

There have a lot of merit analysis and people already have tasted the system almost 10 months.

Where did you get the figure?
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Well, there are currently 119 merit sources.

It's only a prediction. It will mainly depends upon the performance of current merit sources.
If newest sources do their works well, without abusements, violations on basic rules for merit sources; Theymos might add more merit sources.
In contrast, total merit sources might decrease significantly.
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Over the span of time, I strongly believe, theymos will implement some more merit sources, maybe more 100 or so. It can also be higher if we have qualitive application, IMO. Therefore, no one will face any kinda issue if s/he can post some good quality posts.

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Where did you get the figure?
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Well, there are currently 119 merit sources.
Here you go- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

It will mainly depends upon the performance of current merit sources.
I don't think so. Why someone will be evaluated based on other's performance.

In contrast, total merit sources might decrease significantly.
The same  Cheesy We only can say "maybe". Well, if someone is able to send smerit on good quality posts, s/he can apply.
It's only a prediction.
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