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November 05, 2021, 05:43:39 PM
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I don't know why the second paragraph was so secretive before that I can tell you that this is the first time the merit source has featured it for me.
I guess you have missed it either or you were not much active in meta lately. I have seen this message from merit sources a few times. I guess someone was looking for more source merits and posted this message when I first time saw this.

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November 05, 2021, 05:49:22 PM
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Imo, there should be no difference in penalties between source and non-source merit when they get caught selling merit.
If a merit source sells merit and that's proven, theymos will surely remove the source merits and that's why that message is displayed for merit sources.
If a non-merit source sells merit, I don't think theymos takes any action. So, that message isn't needed to be displayed. (The merit abuser will only get negative feedback from other users).

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November 05, 2021, 06:41:39 PM
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I don't know why the second paragraph was so secretive before that I can tell you that this is the first time the merit source has featured it for me. For the first paragraph I know that it is the message that is shown to all forum users in the merit link in their profile, no different from the one shown on my profile.

Perhaps because the merit source are those who are entrusted by theymos to run the merit system well, it is only natural that they will suffer more severe consequences than non-source users. This is just my opinion because I don't know what the term is.

Like RapTarX mentioned it would not be accurate to assert that such second paragraph was secretive, and there were several merit sources who shared that paragraph within days of the newly established merit system in January 2018 - and sure maybe it is not coming up or shared on any regular basis, but the contents of such second paragraph are not really secretive - even if they might NOT be easy to find where they had been posted at various earlier dates.. maybe even in this thread.. I have not browsed through the thread for such materials.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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November 05, 2021, 07:09:05 PM
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Regarding rules against selling of merits - that rule is specific to merit sources, so there may be a need to consider that non-merit source members don't have that same explicit rule in regards to their merits.  There is at least that distinction that has specifically been in place for merit sources since the start of the merit system in January 2018.
Imo, there should be no difference in penalties between source and non-source merit when they get caught selling merit. This may be the same as punishment for those caught doing plagiarism on purpose regardless of how long they have been here (new members or old members). JayJuanGee, I really never knew there was a specific rule about it because I just knew selling merit was something that was forbidden to everyone regardless of whether they sourced or non-sourced.
Merit can never be bought and sold. Merit can never be verified by buying merit in Bitcoin forum. If merit is eligible, then merit is available. Otherwise if you buy it after taking merit from someone you will not understand the right thing to do. Do random work because you are not eligible for merit. Then we will start monitoring the moderator? If you do random again, if you don't band the moderator ID, you will eat red toss. So qualify first I will get one at a time. Bitcoin will never understand anything.
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November 05, 2021, 07:23:03 PM
Merited by LoyceV (4), JayJuanGee (1)
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Imo, there should be no difference in penalties between source and non-source merit when they get caught selling merit. This may be the same as punishment for those caught doing plagiarism on purpose regardless of how long they have been here (new members or old members). JayJuanGee, I really never knew there was a specific rule about it because I just knew selling merit was something that was forbidden to everyone regardless of whether they sourced or non-sourced.
As a merit source, I get my source sMerit from theymos. It is his sMerit that he has delegated to me for me to send as I see fit, but I also need to follow his rules. The only rule that theymos has for merit sources that I am aware of is they cannot sell their sMerit, although I also follow other common sense guidelines when deciding which posts to merit that might be frowned upon by the community if all facts were to be made public, along with speculation by some people.

The forum also believes in a free market economy, and part of a free market economy is the ability to sell things, even if people do not like those types of transactions. This is a concept that I strongly support, as does most of the community as a whole. This however does not mean that I will not think of someone differently who engages in transactions that I do not approve of (such as selling merit). As I do not approve of people selling their merit, even if they are not a merit source, if I become aware that someone is (trying to) selling their sMerit, and have substantial evidence of this, I will likely leave negative trust and support flags against those engaged in this type of activity.

To put the above another way, I support people's rights to make bad decisions, and their right to do things that I disapprove of. Making bad decisions, or doing things I disapprove of will be subject to negative consequences however.

I don’t think merits will be monetised anytime soon, as selling merits currently mean immediate ban,

It is my understanding that selling merit will not result in the person getting banned. Theymos said he is not going to be moderating the merit system. I understand the consequences of selling merit as a merit source means the person will be removed as a merit source, and the consequences of selling merit as a non-merit source are handled by the community.

With the above being said, in many ways, merit is valuable. Having merit will often indirectly lead to additional business opportunities, and opportunities for profit.


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November 05, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1), BlackHatCoiner (1)
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Regarding rules against selling of merits - that rule is specific to merit sources
Imo, there should be no difference in penalties between source and non-source merit when they get caught selling merit.
The forum's mission is to be as free as possible. So I get that from theymos' perspective, a user is free to do use their sMerit any way they want. But that can't work for Merit sources, that would be like abusing forum resources.

That being said, there's also Global Mod hilariousandco who says:
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Selling merit is disallowed.
If something isn't allowed, I'd say you can be banned for it.

But there's also this:
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.



I do not approve of people selling their merit
I really don't get that some people are willing spend up to $20 per Merit. It would be much cheaper to hire a writer and "earn" Merit that way.

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November 05, 2021, 08:06:07 PM
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Merit can never be bought and sold.
Only if you never know how its history. There are many cases that you can find if you want to know more about merit system [abuse & sales of merit]. If those two things are never done then I can assure you that there will never be any discussion about them.

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I do not approve of people selling their merit
I really don't get that some people are willing spend up to $20 per Merit. It would be much cheaper to hire a writer and "earn" Merit that way.
I don’t know if it is true that people are selling merit for $20/each, or if they are if they are able to actually get that much. If there is truth to that, I would say it is evidence of a market that is not vibrant and inefficient. I would see that as a good thing because it shows that it is difficult to trade merit.

I am not sure what has caused this. I think most likely, it is the result of self regulation and Theymos doing a good job of selecting merit sources who will not only refrain from selling merit, but also who will send merit to posts that are deserving of merit. Those who are capable of making good posts on bitcointalk, generally will have other skills that will allow them to make money by doing things other than selling merit.


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I don’t know if it is true that people are selling merit for $20/each
I remember that number from this post.

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If there is truth to that, I would say it is evidence of a market that is not vibrant and inefficient. I would see that as a good thing because it shows that it is difficult to trade merit.
I'm pretty sure Merit sales happen, but only for small amounts. Not many people have enough sMerit to rank someone up to a higher rank, and nobody is going to pay any significant amount per sMerit if they need 1000 of them.

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I don’t know if it is true that people are selling merit for $20/each
I remember that number from this post.

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If there is truth to that, I would say it is evidence of a market that is not vibrant and inefficient. I would see that as a good thing because it shows that it is difficult to trade merit.
I'm pretty sure Merit sales happen, but only for small amounts. Not many people have enough sMerit to rank someone up to a higher rank, and nobody is going to pay any significant amount per sMerit if they need 1000 of them.
I think most merit sales generally stick out like a sore thumb. For example, whenever I see someone with one merit and 1000+ posts, I assume they bought their single merit. Or when I see an OP of some project, I assume they bought their merit. I also see some people with zero merit, 1000+ posts, and a copper membership.

I am not terribly concerned with someone buying a single merit. Someone ranking up to a junior member isn’t going to hurt anyone. My guess is that they want to avoid having to wait 6 minutes between their bounty posts.

Maybe Theymos could offer a lower version of a paid membership that is less expensive than a copper membership, maybe it could be called “bounty spammer”, cost $20 (in BTC) and give those who are wearing it the same abilities that a junior member has.


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November 06, 2021, 07:42:31 AM
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I think most merit sales generally stick out like a sore thumb. For example, whenever I see someone with one merit and 1000+ posts, I assume they bought their single merit.
I'm more subtle: I assume they got it from one of the Merit "giveaway" threads.

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I am not terribly concerned with someone buying a single merit. Someone ranking up to a junior member isn’t going to hurt anyone.
Massive (bounty) spam is the reason they need 1 Merit to wear a signature. If they can still rank up in large amounts, it can "hurt" the forum.

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My guess is that they want to avoid having to wait 6 minutes between their bounty posts.
Nope:
Note that this does not affect:
 - PM rate-limiting, which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 - "You must wait ___ seconds...", which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.

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Maybe Theymos could offer a lower version of a paid membership that is less expensive than a copper membership, maybe it could be called “bounty spammer”, cost $20 (in BTC) and give those who are wearing it the same abilities that a junior member has.
Lol, I like the rank name Cheesy

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November 08, 2021, 12:34:27 PM
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how can i earn more merit?
One of your friends PMed me telling me you're a good poster in your local board and to help you out with merits.  I find that a bit odd, honestly, but when I un-ignored a few sections and tried to look at your post history, this was the only post I could see--asking about merits.

You've been here for about 10 months and have earned only a single merit, and you haven't even made a lot of posts.  You average about 9 posts/month, so how do you expect you're going to earn any?  It's hit-or-miss with earning merits, and a lot of times good posts get overlooked.  If you're not making many to begin with, forget about it.

What's the sudden interest in ranking up, anyway?  I assume you know how the system works, so why you posted the above question is beyond me.

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November 08, 2021, 01:31:31 PM
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how can i earn more merit?

My advice is to start researching other parts of the forum besides the local board where most of your posts are. Whether the point is that these posts are bad or your local board has no merit sources, the question remains for those who understand your language.

In a nutshell, be helpful to the forum and try to engage in discussions that genuinely interest you, there is no magic formula.

Thanks for the advice, I think I should start explore and find other interesting thread that will get me more knowledge on cyptoworld and opportunity on other parts of the forum.
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Thanks for the advice, I think I should start explore and find other interesting thread that will get me more knowledge on cyptoworld and opportunity on other parts of the forum.
Based on your post history, I can say that you are one of the users who made a lot of post on the Local board. I don't understand your language and what you're saying there in your post but since your Local board also has merit source then I don't think they will miss your useful post (if any) out of merit.

I've seen a significant decrease in the number of merit on your Local Board in the last 10 months based on the data in the merit dashboard. But if you're a quality poster then I'm sure you'll get some. On average there are 16 users each month who are actively distribution merit on your Local Board, so take that opportunity and multiply quality post. Only that will help you grow.


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since your Local board also has merit source
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a significant decrease in the number of merit on your Local Board
Do you know who the Merit source is? Based your Merit table, it looks like they became less active. The Pilipinas local board even has Mr. Big as (Global) Moderator, but he made only 3 posts this year and didn't send much Merit in the last 120 days.
I wouldn't mind dumping a bunch of sMerit on the board, but I can't read it. If someone (cabalism13? Coin_trader? GreatArkansas?) can share a bunch of useful posts from different users on the local board, I'll Merit them.

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Do you know who the Merit source is?
How about LFC_Bitcoin, I think he is also one of the Filipino users based on his posting history. From the merit transaction page it seems that he is one of the merit source, isn't that enough to help users there get merit and rank up?

But he's also less active there based this source

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since your Local board also has merit source
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a significant decrease in the number of merit on your Local Board
Do you know who the Merit source is? Based your Merit table, it looks like they became less active. The Pilipinas local board even has Mr. Big as (Global) Moderator, but he made only 3 posts this year and didn't send much Merit in the last 120 days.
I wouldn't mind dumping a bunch of sMerit on the board, but I can't read it. If someone (cabalism13? Coin_trader? GreatArkansas?) can share a bunch of useful posts from different users on the local board, I'll Merit them.

not pretty active since I came to have some offers on Telegram and Discord, so I'm pretty useless on such, still if ever I find one I'd give them myself to save you the trouble.
And besides, even before I ended up like this , our local board already became inactive, most of the users posting there are just the old ones which I don't find they need Merits and for the new ones, nah.
I'll just keep checking the forum whenever I have the mood.

BTW, Special thanks to this forum and to its users I couldn't make it without you...

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I'll just keep checking the forum whenever I have the mood.

Honestly, I’ve always thought that Filipinos are pretty active on the forum and have an active local board - I don’t know what happened to them lately - maybe they’re all busy with some other things in life, or just enjoying the profits Bitcoin has given them.

By the way, congratulations on your wedding, I wish you all the best👰🤵‍💞

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I'll just keep checking the forum whenever I have the mood.

Honestly, I’ve always thought that Filipinos are pretty active on the forum and have an active local board - I don’t know what happened to them lately - maybe they’re all busy with some other things in life, or just enjoying the profits Bitcoin has given them.
I think ever since NFT Games came and became known to be a good provider of profit. Most of the community became active at games,... Count me in, I even did buy another 2 sets of PC 🤣

By the way, congratulations on your wedding, I wish you all the best👰🤵‍💞
Thanks mate, was so busy that day I wasn't able to share here the link for the livestream.

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November 09, 2021, 04:00:48 PM
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How about LFC_Bitcoin, I think he is also one of the Filipino users based on his posting history.
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But he's also less active there based this source
Based on the link you've provided, I believe you meant to type my username and you're correct, I'm Filipino [half].

From the merit transaction page it seems that he is one of the merit source, isn't that enough to help users there get merit and rank up?
Unfortunately, I'm not a merit source and recently, I explained [on another thread] why I still haven't tried to submit my application.

most of the users posting there are just the old ones which I don't find they need Merits
You have a point, but most of the veteran members [in our local board] still need "sMerits [I wish there was a way to transfer those to users that you truly trust]"!
- BTW, congratulations [I'm happy for you] Smiley

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