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January 29, 2019, 02:42:05 AM
Last edit: January 29, 2019, 02:52:53 AM by tranthidung
 #5801

I don't agree.
In my analysis on intra-week merits, there is no outlier week occured in first three weeks of 2019!
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In short, my analysis presented there:
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I> Full dataset
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Potential outliers are weeks that have total merits beyond these two threshold
1) Q3 + 1.5*IQR = 6022.5 + 3335.25 = 9357.75 ~ 9358
2) Q1 - 1.5*IQR = 3799 - 3335.25 = 463.75 ~ 464
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Now, let's count how many weeks are outliers:
Code:
.         list merit week if merit >=9358 | merit <=464

     +----------------+
     | merit     week |
     |----------------|
  1. | 30949   2018w4 |
  2. | 19958   2018w5 |
  3. | 13304   2018w6 |
  4. | 11722   2018w7 |
     +----------------+
There are only four outlier weeks, and all of them occured within the first four weeks after the start of merit system.


II> Truncated dataset
Now, I truncated all these four weeks in order to have a truncated dataset, and start identifying potential outliers for the truncated dataset
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Potential outliers:
- IQR = Q3 - Q1 = 1336
- 1.5*IQR = 1336*1.5 = 2004
- Q3 + 1.5*IQR = 5129.5 + 2004 = 7133.5 ~ 7134.
- Q1 - 1.5*IQR = 3793.5 - 2004 = 1789.5 ~ 1790
Potential outliers for truncated dataset are weeks that have total intraweek merits beyond 1790 or 7134.

< ... >
Let's see how many outliers identified:
Code:
. list merit week if merit >=7134 | merit <=1790

     +-----------------+
     | merit      week |
     |-----------------|
  1. |  8758    2018w8 |
  2. |  8806    2018w9 |
  3. |  7253   2018w10 |
  4. |  7309   2018w11 |
 31. |  7825   2018w38 |
     +-----------------+
Five weeks in total, and none of them occured in the year 2019.

The week #2018w18 described below:
Code:
. list id merit date dofw day month2 year week month if id >=237 & id < 244

     +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
     |  id   merit        date        dofw   day   month2   year      week    month |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
237. | 237    1862   17sep2018      Monday    17        9   2018   2018w38   2018m9 |
238. | 238    1294   18sep2018     Tuesday    18        9   2018   2018w38   2018m9 |
239. | 239    1268   19sep2018   Wednesday    19        9   2018   2018w38   2018m9 |
240. | 240     846   20sep2018    Thursday    20        9   2018   2018w38   2018m9 |
241. | 241     807   21sep2018      Friday    21        9   2018   2018w38   2018m9 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
242. | 242     944   22sep2018    Saturday    22        9   2018   2018w38   2018m9 |
243. | 243     804   23sep2018      Sunday    23        9   2018   2018w38   2018m9 |
     +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
As we all known, the sudden rises of merits in September mainly come from abusements due to demotion of Junior Members.
For fully analysis, please visit the original post.





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January 29, 2019, 07:33:03 AM
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From Senior Member to Hero, 250 merits required, so I agreed that it is a real challenge.
Nevertheless, it is reachable.

Every rank can be reach with good and constructive posting on any given topic. Think that mostly this is bad for spammers and they quit this cuz they cant spam. This is actually a good thing for the forum less spam.
On this I must say that I tried to look several years in past for many topic here and to see what was the difference on from some point I must say that many members new and old started to write post not just to say few word for something. For this now every rank that requires merit will be challenge for every newcomer here.
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January 29, 2019, 12:37:18 PM
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If you ask me, the jnr and member rank, needs more adjustment the rest are just OK. something like this.

Jnr = 10
Member= 50
If your suggestion become real, we might see a new massive spamming in Meta like we saw in January and February of 2018, but I support your proposal.
Let's see the next adjustment of forum's ranking system.





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January 29, 2019, 01:11:42 PM
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If you ask me, the jnr and member rank, needs more adjustment the rest are just OK. something like this.

Jnr = 10
Member= 50
If your suggestion become real, we might see a new massive spamming in Meta like we saw in January and February of 2018, but I support your proposal.
Let's see the next adjustment of forum's ranking system.

you are so smart that you have 100 merit

which were given to you just like that , with the introduction of merit

I would like to look at you when your merits are reset and how would you then sing with your proposal
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January 29, 2019, 01:18:13 PM
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you are so smart that you have 100 merit

which were given to you just like that , with the introduction of merit
Tranthidung didn't get a single Merit airdropped.

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January 29, 2019, 01:35:03 PM
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I would like to look at you when your merits are reset and how would you then sing with your proposal
You even did not read what is merit and how it functions.
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There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.
Merits are un-decayable (by now, theymos has not had plans to decay merits), so you raised a wrong point!

Furthermore, it simply support the suggestion of CryptopreneurBrainboss. I did not make any proposal, so you were wrong again.
The discussion should be stopped here.





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January 29, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
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I would like to look at you when your merits are reset and how would you then sing with your proposal
You even did not read what is merit and how it functions.
Code:
There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.
Merits are un-decayable (by now, theymos has not had plans to decay merits), so you raised a wrong point!

Furthermore, it simply support the suggestion of CryptopreneurBrainboss. I did not make any proposal, so you were wrong again.
The discussion should be stopped here.

I was wrong to admit my guilt

гoтoв пoнecти в нaкaзaниe здpaвyю кpитикy в мoю cтopoнy

my opinion remains the same , I am against such a scenario

I repeat, many received 100 merit without doing anything

If you ask me, the jnr and member rank, needs more adjustment the rest are just OK. something like this.

Jnr = 10
Member= 50

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January 29, 2019, 06:54:32 PM
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Is there still the slightest chance of a new rank, it’s been discussed so many times but I think there are too many Legendary Members at the moment. Some got lucky with the 1000 Merit airdrop who were still Hero Members pre Merit System.

I think an ‘Elite’ rank or ‘Lambo’ member would be awesome achievable by 2000 Activity & 2000 Merit.


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January 29, 2019, 07:20:29 PM
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I think an ‘Elite’ rank or ‘Lambo’ member would be awesome achievable by 2000 Activity & 2000 Merit.

The Lambo Member should be reserved for those who have made the BTC sacrifice for the culture.



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January 29, 2019, 07:22:39 PM
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Is there still the slightest chance of a new rank, it’s been discussed so many times but I think there are too many Legendary Members at the moment. Some got lucky with the 1000 Merit airdrop who were still Hero Members pre Merit System.

I think an ‘Elite’ rank or ‘Lambo’ member would be awesome achievable by 2000 Activity & 2000 Merit.

Merit is cycled and meaningless according to suchmoon.. that has no relation to post quality nor the users prior achievements here. Rank should not be related to merit in its current state.


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January 29, 2019, 07:25:33 PM
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Is there still the slightest chance of a new rank, it’s been discussed so many times but I think there are too many Legendary Members at the moment. Some got lucky with the 1000 Merit airdrop who were still Hero Members pre Merit System.

I think an ‘Elite’ rank or ‘Lambo’ member would be awesome achievable by 2000 Activity & 2000 Merit.


I don't have any specific answer to your question about whether there is discussion of some new rank that might be added.. but Yes.. a decent idea with both the suggested name of "Elite" and the approximate merit/activity threshold to achieve.  By the way, I doubt that "Lambo" would be considered an acceptable name because it comes off as a bit too superficial and would tend to denigrate into a kind of materialism...

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January 29, 2019, 07:30:08 PM
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I think an ‘Elite’ rank or ‘Lambo’ member would be awesome achievable by 2000 Activity & 2000 Merit.
Please don't call me Lambo, I'll have to start deleting old posts to stay under 2000 Actuvity. Luckily I'm 2 years away from that.
Just call the next rank "Legend", it's simple and makes Legendary sound like Legend-ish.

I don't expect theymos to add a new Rank that only he qualifies for, so if it's ever going to happen, I don't expect it yet the coming years.

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January 29, 2019, 08:13:15 PM
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my opinion remains the same , I am against such a scenario

I repeat, many received 100 merit without doing anything

If you ask me, the jnr and member rank, needs more adjustment the rest are just OK. something like this.

Jnr = 10
Member= 50

Click quote and view my original post, I made that suggestion after another user suggested that the merit required to rank up to Hero member should be reduced. I concluded that statement by saying I don't mind if theymos decides to increase all rank merit requirement.

You need to stop complaining and accept the fact that the merit system have come to stay, now what you should be asking yourself everyday is,  "How do I earn this merits" I'm sure if you ask yourself that question for 2weeks straight you'll get an answer.

      

I had received just 54merit at the start of this year but now I have earned additional 100merits. If an average poster like myself can do it, you can too. You just have to stop complaining and get to work.






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January 29, 2019, 09:10:23 PM
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What features would the next rank above Legendary come with? Signatures that make sound? Grin

Even now heroes and legendaries have exactly the same rights, so legendary is just the "step beyond". If you add one more rank above that, it should at least come with something new, just like VIPs and donators have a board where only them and mods can start threads. Something in between..

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January 30, 2019, 09:38:37 AM
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What features would the next rank above Legendary come with? Signatures that make sound? Grin

Even now heroes and legendaries have exactly the same rights, so legendary is just the "step beyond". If you add one more rank above that, it should at least come with something new, just like VIPs and donators have a board where only them and mods can start threads. Something in between..
May be you are not aware... but there are so many "steps beyond" legendary rank.. once you turn legendary theymos is calling you personally... and after that if you perform good being legendary for couple of months, you are invited for an awesome dinner.. fully covered TA & DA. A Lamborghini comes to pick you up from the airport and takes you directly to the yatch boat where you get a chance to meet the "Legends of the legendary".

Trust me there is so much more beyond legendary and i can't reveal all the secrets here.. this information was personal shared with me by some one so have been legendary couple of times (don't ask me how?)
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January 30, 2019, 09:44:07 AM
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I think that Legendary is enough, Elite badge sounds like over-rating.
I remembered that theymos rejected the idea. He only considered adding new badges for good reporters (last year), but by now, the type of badges has not added.

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February 04, 2019, 06:15:37 PM
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February 07, 2019, 09:23:50 AM
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< ... >
In fact, both intraday and intraweek merits decreased weeks later the Default Trust Change on 09/1/2019.
Intraday merits (before, and two-, three-weeks later the Default Trust change) presented via medians, and means.
Code:
. tabstat before090119 wkslater_2 wkslater_3, s(n mean sd p50 p25 p75 min max) format(%9.1f) c(s)

    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
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before090119 |     324.0     677.0     263.0     616.5     510.5     766.5     312.0    2463.0
  wkslater_2 |      14.0     840.4     191.4     845.5     658.0     987.0     611.0    1161.0
  wkslater_3 |      21.0     781.9     179.5     715.0     643.0     880.0     587.0    1161.0
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Decreasing over time, right?
Someone said that the effects come from new added merit sources and re-allocation and re-distributional mechanism of airdropped sMerits to active merit sources, but I don't think that the assumption is right.
It's likely instant effects of both Default Trust change, new merit sources, and re-built mechanism on airdropped sMerits to merit sources.
3 weeks later update:

Basic statistics:

Percent of changes:
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The instant effects look good because it has not come from abusements like we saw in September of 2018 with demotion of Junior Members who did not earn any merit.





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February 08, 2019, 09:51:18 AM
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It seems there is something strange in today data(merit.txt), are these some kind of revoked merits or just some random problem?

Code:
1549404431 -2 0.msg0 0 92110
1549404430 -5 0.msg0 0 81995
1549404430 -2 0.msg0 0 1316028
1549404430 -9 0.msg0 0 290351
1549404430 -1 0.msg0 0 289011
1549404430 -9 0.msg0 0 249872
1549404430 -7 0.msg0 0 249436
1549404430 -8 0.msg0 0 165478
1549404430 -2 0.msg0 0 9645
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 358020
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 15728
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 2536607
1549404430 -4 0.msg0 0 1246188
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 355462
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 92110
1549404430 -5 0.msg0 0 2472107
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February 08, 2019, 09:53:16 AM
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It seems there is something strange in today data(merit.txt), are these some kind of revoked merits?

Code:
1549404431 -2 0.msg0 0 92110
1549404430 -5 0.msg0 0 81995
1549404430 -2 0.msg0 0 1316028
1549404430 -9 0.msg0 0 290351
1549404430 -1 0.msg0 0 289011
1549404430 -9 0.msg0 0 249872
1549404430 -7 0.msg0 0 249436
1549404430 -8 0.msg0 0 165478
1549404430 -2 0.msg0 0 9645
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 358020
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 15728
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 2536607
1549404430 -4 0.msg0 0 1246188
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 355462
1549404430 -10 0.msg0 0 92110
1549404430 -5 0.msg0 0 2472107

Theymos recently removed a merit source and revoked some of the merit he sent.
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