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December 05, 2018, 02:38:22 PM
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If you ban knives they will get guns from the dark market, thus, if you make ranking hard or impossible, people will just buy accounts or merits
In one way or the other you may be correct,and it's also fact that one single merit isn't so hard to get,whether it's legitimately or otherwise..
But what the system does is to constraint the number of accounts one can farm up either for self use or for sale,definitely we're not striving for perfection,but to make the situation less worse than it was
And those who sell accounts also run a risk of being red tagged..
Either way the system is doing it's best to keep the forum clean
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December 05, 2018, 06:12:05 PM
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Scary that you as a legendary aren't aware of it.
Maybe you didn't search?
Maybe he doesn't have a legendary account at all? Oops, maybe he's just not aware of it...

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December 06, 2018, 09:51:08 AM
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It's... A bit strange though...

Am I the only one using merit a bit like a curation system?
I mean there is no "top merited posts" section or whatever but in my opinion the use for merit is to put the focus on important messages that might have been missed while they're providing interesting and sensible informations. And I got the feeling people use it more like a "like" button.

Merit system is a perfect system which is used to reward only the most sophisticated and honour-worthy, long and informative posts.
 To be given 5 merits is a great privilege.
 To be given 10 merits is an honour which marks the rest of your life.
 To be given 50, you're a transcendent being (or Satoshi Nakamoto) and your posts cause ecstasy to the readers!

A perfect example of a god-like post with 50 merits: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2375142.msg24228465#msg24228465
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December 06, 2018, 10:05:02 AM
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Merit system is a perfect system which is used to reward only the most sophisticated and honour-worthy, long and informative posts.
 To be given 5 merits is a great privilege.
 To be given 10 merits is an honour which marks the rest of your life.
 To be given 50, you're a transcendent being (or Satoshi Nakamoto) and your posts cause ecstasy to the readers!

A perfect example of a god-like post with 50 merits: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2375142.msg24228465#msg24228465
Ahahahahah xD

Well here it IS rather obvious ineed.


I mean there is no "top merited posts" section or whatever but in my opinion the use for merit is to put the focus on important messages that might have been missed while they're providing interesting and sensible informations. And I got the feeling people use it more like a "like" button.

There is.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

Scary that you as a legendary aren't aware of it.
Maybe you didn't search?

Scary as the fact that I'm a legendary just means I'm an old member of the forum not that I'm an omniscient being  Roll Eyes

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December 06, 2018, 05:37:53 PM
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You wrote some valid points in your post. However, some of them can be solved in another way.

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However, the current market situation has already accomplished point one. We see alot less spam accounts, even regular account holders have left the crypto scene due to the current unfavorable market condition.
You're of course right, but IMO this was caused not only by market conditions but also by the Merit system. A big part of the spam accounts that left could return if it was "abolished" right away. The spam problem is far from being "solved". There is still lots of signature spamming around.

If the forum was totally (or nearly-free) of spam and full of quality posts again, like ~2012 or so, then I would support your idea to abolish merit - but including a "probation period", if the spam returns then merit should also return.

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But rather, who should be allow to "rank-up" base on their Merit points.
Hm? There is no selection other than merit and activity. If you post quality stuff and are active, you will rank up.

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Lastly, the third point seems like "re-inventing the wheel" to me. The account holder's rank should suffice to be their credential. Isn't it?
Having created an account a year ago and posted with an automated script once per day would be enough to get at least Sr (if not Hero) status if merit was abolished. So "rank" alone doesn't have any meaning.

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Given the current market sentiments, many BCT members already left and may never come back. And that also includes the Merit source holders, this resulted in less and less Merit points going around.
That is easily solvable - the administration should control the "spending" of merit sources and stock up (create more sources and expand the sMerits of existing sources) if the effective numbers of merits spent by sources diminishes.

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December 06, 2018, 09:09:07 PM
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Thats very interesting... I guess the most important question is.. How do we get merit if no one gives it to us ? Huh
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December 07, 2018, 01:46:27 AM
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Thats very interesting... I guess the most important question is.. How do we get merit if no one gives it to us ? Huh
You don't. That's why you have to make HQ posts. This way, people will gladly give you a few merits as an incentive for you to keep posting good stuff. Smiley

If you can't get any by posting normally, you probably don't deserve them.

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December 08, 2018, 07:17:25 PM
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It's... A bit strange though...

Am I the only one using merit a bit like a curation system?
I mean there is no "top merited posts" section or whatever but in my opinion the use for merit is to put the focus on important messages that might have been missed while they're providing interesting and sensible informations. And I got the feeling people use it more like a "like" button.

Merit system is a perfect system which is used to reward only the most sophisticated and honour-worthy, long and informative posts.
 To be given 5 merits is a great privilege.
 To be given 10 merits is an honour which marks the rest of your life.
 To be given 50, you're a transcendent being (or Satoshi Nakamoto) and your posts cause ecstasy to the readers!

A perfect example of a god-like post with 50 merits: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2375142.msg24228465#msg24228465

50 merits for this this post is very fair. it is very informative to say the least. Grin

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December 09, 2018, 07:28:00 AM
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Thats very interesting... I guess the most important question is.. How do we get merit if no one gives it to us ? Huh
As they always say, post informative posts or threads that can help beginners out there and somebody will give you merit in exchange for it Smiley. Its not that hard to share information to others especially if they are very important to us newbies.

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December 09, 2018, 07:37:52 AM
Last edit: December 09, 2018, 08:24:14 AM by tranthidung
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Updates for today. You all can enjoy my newest analysis.  Grin
Thanks LoyceV for updates last two weeks.
I am busy recent days, so I did not update my topic last week.
I will do it hours later today.


Abstract (for truncated dataset)
50% of observed days (since 19/02/2018 to 02/12/2018) have its total daily merits below 626 (the median) or higher than 626.
Importantly, 50% of observed days have their total daily merits in the range from 521 to 774, which is the interquartile range that ranges from the 25th quartile (Q1) to the 75th quartile (Q3).
The minimum and maximum daily merits during the period are 347 and 2463, respectively.
Potential outliers are days that have total merits above 1154 or below 142.
About medians of merits over days of week, Monday is the highest with 674 merits distributed on Mondays in medians, and Friday is the lowest with the median of Friday merits is 542. There are nearly 24% difference between the medians of Friday and Monday.
And, Friday is the only day of week which has median lower than 600.


Updates:
1) Daily merits
1.1. Full dataset (from 24/1/2018 to 2/12/2018)
I dropped days after 2/12/2018 because those days belong to the 2018w49, which has not completed with LoyceV data source).
Now, lets' take a look at its basic statistics:
During the whole period since the beginning day of merit system, the daily merits
has its median is 643, which means that 50% of those observed days have their daily merits above 643, and 50% of them have their daily merits above 643.
- The interquartile range (from 25th to 75th quartile): is 530 - 858. It means that 50% of those observed days have daily merits in the range from 530 to 858. In addition, 25% of those days have daily merits below 530 (below the 25h quartile), while 25% of them have daily merits above 858 (above the 75th quartile).
- The mean +/- standard deviation: is 880 +/- 952. I don't want to use those statistics due to dramatical biases from outliers.

Extremely potential outliers are days have their total daily merits above 1350 or below 38. Detailed calculations presented below:
- Below: Q1 -1.5*IQR = 530-(1.5*328) = 38;
- or Above: Q3 + 1.5*IQR = 858+(1.5*328) = 1350.
- IQR = Q3 - Q1 = 858 - 530 = 328

From now on, I only presented analytical results for truncated dataset.
What is truncated dataset?
It is the dataset, after truncating / dropping all days before 19/02/2018, which are extremely outliers.
Code:
. list id date week month merit if merit > 1350 & merit != .

     +--------------------------------------------+
     |  id        date      week    month   merit |
     |--------------------------------------------|
  1. |   1   24jan2018    2018w4   2018m1   13018 |
  2. |   2   25jan2018    2018w4   2018m1    6761 |
  3. |   3   26jan2018    2018w4   2018m1    4493 |
  4. |   4   27jan2018    2018w4   2018m1    3489 |
  5. |   5   28jan2018    2018w4   2018m1    3188 |
     |--------------------------------------------|
  6. |   6   29jan2018    2018w5   2018m1    3799 |
  7. |   7   30jan2018    2018w5   2018m1    4192 |
  8. |   8   31jan2018    2018w5   2018m1    2820 |
  9. |   9   01feb2018    2018w5   2018m2    2545 |
 10. |  10   02feb2018    2018w5   2018m2    2568 |
     |--------------------------------------------|
 11. |  11   03feb2018    2018w5   2018m2    1867 |
 12. |  12   04feb2018    2018w5   2018m2    2167 |
 13. |  13   05feb2018    2018w6   2018m2    2077 |
 14. |  14   06feb2018    2018w6   2018m2    2308 |
 15. |  15   07feb2018    2018w6   2018m2    2141 |
     |--------------------------------------------|
 16. |  16   08feb2018    2018w6   2018m2    2141 |
 17. |  17   09feb2018    2018w6   2018m2    1448 |
 18. |  18   10feb2018    2018w6   2018m2    1747 |
 19. |  19   11feb2018    2018w6   2018m2    1442 |
 21. |  21   13feb2018    2018w7   2018m2    1579 |
     |--------------------------------------------|
 22. |  22   14feb2018    2018w7   2018m2    2513 |
 23. |  23   15feb2018    2018w7   2018m2    1991 |
 24. |  24   16feb2018    2018w7   2018m2    1411 |
 25. |  25   17feb2018    2018w7   2018m2    1608 |
 27. |  27   19feb2018    2018w8   2018m2    1403 |
     |--------------------------------------------|
 32. |  32   24feb2018    2018w8   2018m2    1409 |
 34. |  34   26feb2018    2018w9   2018m2    1382 |
 38. |  38   02mar2018    2018w9   2018m3    1696 |
 48. |  48   12mar2018   2018w11   2018m3    1354 |
236. | 236   16sep2018   2018w37   2018m9    2463 |
     |--------------------------------------------|
237. | 237   17sep2018   2018w38   2018m9    1862 |
     +--------------------------------------------+
As you can easily see that there are some days listed as extremely outliers after 19th Feb. 2018, but I left them in the dataset, not truncated them, in order to have full weeks in truncated dataset.

- Median: 626
- Interquartile range: 521 - 774
- Mean +/- standard deviation: 695 +/- 268
- Extremely potential outliers: above 1154 or below 142.
With IQR = 774 - 521 = 253
Q1 - 1.5*IQR = 521 - 1.5*253 = 141.5 ~ 142
Q3 + 1.5*IQR = 774 + 1.5*253 = 1153.5 ~ 1154.


Box plots
a) Box plot of daily merits since 19th February 2018 to 2nd December 2018.
Merit after presents statistics of the whole period from 19/2/2018 to 2/12/2018.
w26 presents statistics of the period that started on 19/2/2018 to the end of the week26 (on 01/7/2018)

b) Box plot of daily merit (full dataset). This one is only for reference.


Merits over days of week
Raw statistics
Code:
Summary for variables: merit
     by categories of: dofw

     dofw |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
----------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Sunday |      41.0     715.7     360.5     603.0     476.0     829.0     412.0    2463.0
   Monday |      41.0     771.3     314.1     674.0     562.0     884.0     455.0    1862.0
  Tuesday |      41.0     715.0     246.1     632.0     580.0     767.0     383.0    1326.0
Wednesday |      41.0     723.5     227.1     652.0     562.0     761.0     435.0    1268.0
 Thursday |      41.0     687.0     220.7     644.0     528.0     774.0     376.0    1333.0
   Friday |      41.0     611.7     238.0     542.0     463.0     698.0     348.0    1696.0
 Saturday |      41.0     639.5     223.3     614.0     463.0     688.0     347.0    1409.0
----------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Total |     287.0     694.8     268.1     626.0     521.0     774.0     347.0    2463.0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What we got here?
The days of week that have lowest and highest means of totally merits are Friday and Wednesday, at 612 and 724 merits distributed, respectively.
It means there are (724 - 612) = 212 merit difference or the Wednesday have nearly 18% total merits higher than the Friday. Personally, it is a dramatical difference.
Code:
. di (724-612)*100/612
18.300654
Now, how about median difference?
The days of week that have lowest and highest medians of totally merits are Friday and Monday, at 542 and 674, respectively.
It means that there are (674-542) = 132 merit points diference between the Friday and Monday.
In other words, there are nearly 24% difference between the medians of Friday and Monday.
Code:
. di (674-542)*100/542
24.354244

Box plots:
a) Outliers displayed.

b) Outliers non-displayed.

Statistics of full dataset (just for reference)
Code:
Summary for variables: merit
     by categories of: dofw

     dofw |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
----------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Sunday |      45.0     831.8     557.3     619.0     486.0     880.0     412.0    3188.0
   Monday |      44.0     882.5     582.4     681.0     575.5     945.0     455.0    3799.0
  Tuesday |      44.0     849.9     628.7     638.5     580.0     890.5     383.0    4192.0
Wednesday |      45.0    1114.5    1882.6     681.0     569.0     963.0     435.0   13018.0
 Thursday |      45.0     924.5     995.1     673.0     530.0     846.0     376.0    6761.0
   Friday |      45.0     777.7     695.0     554.0     475.0     774.0     348.0    4493.0
 Saturday |      45.0     776.2     542.4     627.0     506.0     778.0     347.0    3489.0
----------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Total |     313.0     879.7     951.8     643.0     530.0     858.0     347.0   13018.0
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December 13, 2018, 01:17:17 AM
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In new ranking system activities with merit is a commendable step to improve the quality of the posts and the forum but how to stop the abuse should also be taken in to consideration so that honest member should also feel comfortable.

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December 13, 2018, 02:18:37 AM
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You can make it.
So I still need 1 merit to become a Jr. member!  Roll Eyes
There are two ways:
1) Buying a Copper Membership, which is not too expensive.
As a developer of Bitcoin Stash project, I strongly suggest you to spend a little BTC to buy a Copper membership.
Here is link for your interest: Paid memberships. Nearly 0.0021 BTC!
2) Building up a good project, then supporters/ investors of Bitcoin Stash will give you their sMerits later.
This way, will take a lot of time, and mainly depend upon the quality of your project.

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December 14, 2018, 06:37:26 PM
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FUCK me god Sad  i have  0 merit.


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December 14, 2018, 09:57:02 PM
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Ive been trying to rank-up to a Senior account, but no one seems to want to give me any merit.
If you take a look at my post history, I try to be as helpful and insightful as possible.
My main goal is to join in on a signature campaign to earn Bitcoin but no one wants to accept me with my low status.

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December 14, 2018, 10:03:06 PM
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If you take a look at my post history, I try to be as helpful and insightful as possible.
My main goal is to join in on a signature campaign to earn Bitcoin but no one wants to accept me with my low status.
Dude, most of the posts I see of yours are applications for signature campaigns, which tells me you're on this forum for the wrong reasons and not because you want to be "helpful and insightful".  Nobody is giving you merits because you write shit like this:

Stop talking to yourself you jerkoff!
And the rest of what I see are just typical shitposts that aren't very helpful or insightful.  I've got no sympathy for you.  Members like you are why the merit system was implemented.

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December 15, 2018, 10:30:47 AM
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2) Building up a good project

You don't need a project for smerit, just a good/helpful post.

Nothing really difficult.

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December 15, 2018, 11:32:31 AM
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Nice one ,forum moderator can we have a demerit button on dashboard too? I think this forum deserves one

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December 15, 2018, 11:42:54 AM
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Nice one ,forum moderator can we have a demerit button on dashboard too? I think this forum deserves one
I see you're a bold one huh? ... so you ain't afraid of getting a mimus score?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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December 15, 2018, 11:50:25 AM
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Nice one ,forum moderator can we have a demerit button on dashboard too? I think this forum deserves one


Posts like this indeed deserve some "demerit" button.

However if you had any clue about the merit system you would understand it makes 0 sense.

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