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November 29, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
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Despite the fact that users have repeatedly assured that there`s no point in holding smerit, the majority continues to do so (perhaps they`re waiting for the right moment when this smerit can be profitably sold).

Excuse me?Huh??
Talking like a merit hoarder here, don't you think there might be other things to consider?

Like...TIME?
Since the kid is growing up and getting more active I barely have time to read this forum 1 hour a day and mostly it happens from my phone while watching him play, things might change with the winter since we will stay more indoors but till then it's a damn time-consuming task to hunt for such posts in this sea of two lines / make your quota posts.

Also, consider that I had to restrain myself for giving merit 5 times till now and instead push the report button for plagiarism, and this adds to the pain in the ass of distinguishing a real contributor from a fake one.


This is confirmed by a large number of high-quality and informative posts, which at the same time remain "unheeded". I admit the possibility that such comments might not to be noticed by sources (they cannot read everything that is written on the forum), but they definately couldn`t not to be observed by other users. However, the latter, for one reason or another, decided not to reward them.

Can you link to some, let's say a round number of those high quality and informative posts that remained unnoticed?
I'll be happy to get 10 or 20 posts rewarded if they indeed deserve it.

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November 29, 2018, 02:16:39 PM
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<...>It is better to focus on diversifying sources of merit so that the distribution will be more decentralized.<...>
I think (not 100% sure) that that was the focus was placed when selecting the new batch of Merit Sources added in September, with prime attention to local boards. Nevertheless, monthly allowance varies from source to source, and are possibly dimensioned in relation to activity on the board (although the Merit Sources can merit in any board they like). I’m not sure the minimum monthly allowance is 50 sMerits; at least I’ve read about 10 an 25 sMerits in some cases. Hopefully, they will increase over time, providing the sections are active enough.

In addition, I’m with @stompix in relation to "merit hoarding": I don’t think that it is much of an issue in relation to those that have played the meriting game, but rather more something related to the initial airdrop that has not even budged 1 sMerit since day one. That likely sums up to a fair share (even above all that has already been placed into circulation), some of which will reside in no longer active accounts, and other in hands of accounts where merit is of no concert to them.

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November 30, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
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Hate to say this, but honestly I don't want to read threads with pyramid quotes, like yours.
Pyramid quotes require huge space of each page, and make the whole page looks very uncomfortable.
Next time, you should drop unnecessary texts, and only quote specific points at which you want to discuss.
Additionally, it's too bad to see pyramid quotes in Meta board.




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November 30, 2018, 12:04:21 PM
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At least I'm glad to see sMerits are being put in good use by the few people who send them !  Cool
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3

It's been only 8 years since his/her/their last activity!

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November 30, 2018, 12:20:48 PM
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At least I'm glad to see sMerits are being put in good use by the few people who send them !  Cool
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3

It's been only 8 years since his/her/their last activity!
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People paying respect to Satoshi is not wasting of merit. Keep in mind that theymos can generate infinite amount of smerit.

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November 30, 2018, 12:38:57 PM
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At least I'm glad to see sMerits are being put in good use by the few people who send them !  Cool
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3

It's been only 8 years since his/her/their last activity!

In my opinion an educative/quality post can't be outdated.
If a plagiarist is or an unworthy post is found after 10 years, wouldn't he/she be banned or the post get deleted ?
It shouldn't matter how long a post has been so far it is considered helpful or merit-worthy, and moreover as a user I guess I've barely read about 0.1% of the thread on here and should I come across a post that I learn something new from or find helpful I shouldn't give it merit simply because of when it was posted ?

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November 30, 2018, 12:44:26 PM
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You are right at this point.
Users have their own rights and decisions to use their sMerits, holding them forever (till Theymos decide decaying un-used sMerits) or sending them to any one, any topic, any thread they agree with and think that those ones are merit-deserved.


And, @satoshi is one of the most prestigious guys in crypto world. He/she/they obviously deserve/s tons of merits.
People paying respect to Satoshi is not wasting of merit.

It's only an assumption, which might happen or not. Personally, I think we should stick on current situation, rules, systems, etc. of the forum in our discussion.
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November 30, 2018, 01:09:43 PM
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I do not consider other factors when analysing a post; users post history, last activity, trust rating or even banned status. All this does not in any way reduce the quality of a post or the impact and usefulness it has on others.

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November 30, 2018, 05:13:53 PM
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It does not make sense to send sMerits to banned accounts, especially permanent banned accounts.
They don't need them, and probably don't deserve merits due to their serious violations on forum rules.
or even banned status.

But, you maybe right at this point.
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November 30, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
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Self made Full Member ? I don't see it.

Also merits are not just about who needs them or doesn't, or it wouldnt make sense to merit a legendary acc either.

If the post is good, user being banned or not, meriting it also highlights said content, thus it is serving a purpose.

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December 01, 2018, 07:51:56 PM
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As usual the weekly update, we got a boost on merits.


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December 02, 2018, 05:00:55 AM
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I feel that the merit system is not doing any justice to the BCT forum members.

Speaking from my own experience, and that I have joined BCT in Nov 2017, made different posts on a number of different various topics in the forum (namely Hardware section-Mining, Speculations, Alt-Coin ANN, and even the Chinese Section), all I have gotten so far is a "+2" for my merit points for a total of 400+ posts.

I have seen many other BCT members' posts with regards to this Merit system, and I can say with some confidence, that most of the fellow BCT members find it rather useless (putting it mildly).

The main problem - Merit did not go around well, and quite a big number of members did not get their due promotion and left the forum.

Sadly, the current btc price also is a PUSH factor to those who have left.

Kindly reconsider abolishing the Merit system, please.

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Would it be possible to add another criteria to the ranking-up system?
If feel that I will be stuck as a Full Member forever.  Cry

The element of time would also help in the ranking system while preventing spam accounts.

From Newbie to Jr Member: 6 months + required activity
From Member to Full Member: 1-year old account + required activity
Full Member to Sr. Member: 2-year old account + required activity
Sr. Member to Hero: 3-year old account + required activity
Hero to Legendary: 4-year old account + required activity

Basically, there will be 2 paths on how an account can rank up:
1. Time and activity
2. Merit system

I hope this suggestion will be considered by the mods. Thank you!  Cool
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Would it be possible to add another criteria to the ranking-up system?
If feel that I will be stuck as a Full Member forever.  Cry

The element of time would also help in the ranking system while preventing spam accounts.

From Newbie to Jr Member: 6 months + required activity
From Member to Full Member: 1-year old account + required activity
Full Member to Sr. Member: 2-year old account + required activity
Sr. Member to Hero: 3-year old account + required activity
Hero to Legendary: 4-year old account + required activity

Basically, there will be 2 paths on how an account can rank up:
1. Time and activity
2. Merit system

I hope this suggestion will be considered by the mods. Thank you!  Cool

Sorry to say that to the extent that you are genuine, your suggestion is stupid ...

In other words, if you actually understand what the merit system has added, by propose an alternative of time and activity, you are merely proposing to remove the merit system and to go back to what was in existence prior to the merit system.  There is nothing novel in your proposal.

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How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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December 03, 2018, 11:41:13 AM
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Having an "alt path" to ranking-up now would defeat the whole purpose of the Merit System. Ranking-up pace is slow for the most, and that could be an issue, at least a psychological one at some point. A couple of months I tried to proyect the amount of time it would require to rank-up amongst other things (see Analysis – Personal merit per day, merit per post and ranking-up projections).

Projections (described in above referenced thread)- Additional people that will rank-up with the Merit System:
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year                Members             Full Members        Sr. Members         Heroes              Legendries
2018                255                 25                  18                  9                   4
2019                1105                205                 158                 91                  24
2020                820                 241                 143                 83                  45
[2021..2025]        3950                2407                729                 453                 285
[2026..2030]        178                 772                 824                 431                 233
[2031..2035]        82                  751                 1795                460                 246
2036++              206                 5939                9115                12684               14197
My projections (based on earned merit per person per rank vs time interval) are a bit scare for the next couple of years …
Speed can only be picked-up in two ways:

-   Getting more overall merit into circulation (even if the same people are still being merited, they will rank-up faster that the above projections).

-   Getting better at posting.

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December 04, 2018, 05:11:59 AM
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I have an idea. What if there are merit sources only for threads and only merit sources only for posts?

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December 04, 2018, 07:53:12 AM
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I have an idea. What if there are merit sources only for threads and only merit sources only for posts?

So.. your idea is to award different Merits for starting a new thread, and separate merits for replying to a post?...

Kind of remind me of a famous quote:

"What do you call a dog with no legs?"
Answer : Doesn't matter what you call it, because it won't come to you!

Same thing here. Doesn't matter either way, we ain't getting any! lolz...


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So.. your idea is to award different Merits for starting a new thread, and separate merits for replying to a post?...

Kind of remind me of a famous quote:

"What do you call a dog with no legs?"
Answer : Doesn't matter what you call it, because it won't come to you!

Same thing here. Doesn't matter either way, we ain't getting any! lolz...

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haha funny, but it can work tho... But only if we get more merit sources since there are only 119 for the whole bitcointalk forum (+2 million members) You have any ideas?

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December 05, 2018, 04:22:53 AM
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But only if we get more merit sources since there are only 119 for the whole bitcointalk forum (+2 million members) You have any ideas?
There are 2+ million member here but how many are active? If you consider the active members only, isn't 119 merit sources sufficient? Besides, a lot of members are also spending sMerits who are not merit sources. We should consider the circulation of sMerits, not the merit sources.
Currently, sMerits are being poured mainly at meta, bitcoin discussion and local boards. The only board which is not getting enough merit is Altcoin Discussion. Regarding this, I can say this board isn't getting enough merit because the quality of that board is very poor. No real discussion is happening there. People are only participating on that boarrd only for fulfilling the signature requirements. Lots of garbages are being posted daily. Therefore, no one with good intention will spend sMerits there.
I believe the system is working fine and we do have available sources too. We need more sources on some local boards, one may be Indian board.
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haha funny, but it can work tho... But only if we get more merit sources since there are only 119 for the whole bitcointalk forum (+2 million members) You have any ideas?
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I have already suggested that BCT should abolish the Merit system.

In my opinion, the Merit system was introduced early this year 2018, mainly for the following 3 reasons:
1. Curb the number of spam accounts during the FOMO period;
2. promotes higher quality posts;
3. award and reward the higher ranking members such as Legendary accounts, by giving them the power to distribute Merit points to the lower ranking members.

However, the current market situation has already accomplished point one. We see alot less spam accounts, even regular account holders have left the crypto scene due to the current unfavorable market condition. Those who left includes, and not limited to, Jr members, Members, full members, Heros, and even Legendary Accounts which I saw many were selling at marketplace.

Secondly, Merit system does promotes and rewards those who posted quality stuff. But the argument here isn't about the merits of this Merit system. But rather, who should be allow to "rank-up" base on their Merit points.

Lastly, the third point seems like "re-inventing the wheel" to me. The account holder's rank should suffice to be their credential. Isn't it?

Given the current market sentiments, many BCT members already left and may never come back. And that also includes the Merit source holders, this resulted in less and less Merit points going around. More and more demoralized members whom may never see the light in the "Rank-Up" tunnel. With this vicious cycle, end of BCT's prestigious and glorified days as number 1 go-to forum in crypto world, may also come to pass.

In summary, throughout the history of man-kind, rulers and governments came out with new rulings and laws, but sometimes when these rules become dated and redundant, they were abolished. It is my humble opinion that Ranking up in BCT should simply be based on the number of years the account was created, plus the activity of the said account.

Nothing beats the test of time. Friendship, Love, Loyalty, etc are all subjected to the test. Because Time is the most unbiased and fair tester. Seasons change, people change, and even hairstyles changes..  But yet for those of us who remain in this forum, year after year, BTC crashes after crashes, we're still here, so that means something.

To repeat myself again, this Merit system is dated, redundant (based on the 3 points above) and defeat all its usefulness and purposes.

Kindly consider abolish the Merit system, please.

Thank you.


 



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