Merit & new rank requirements

[Dunamisx]

but here I have a question, many people are looking for merit especially newbies like us but I think we have to learn the rules of this form with dignity.

I understand how eager a newbie could be in wanting to get merit but you have to understand that people give attention to something what a quality standard, just as you wouldn't like to go to the market and use your money to buy unuseful items same is the forum here, no one will like to merit a post that is not of a quality standard.

Now this is how you can place yourself on a good edge to getting merit from the forum, find a unique and relevant topic or an aspect in bitcoin that you see a need for more emphasis to be laid and take responsibility on that, maybe you want to ask a question or talk about it, try engage members on discussion and follow up with the thread, if they see your ideas were full of "taughts" they may decide to merit your post.

  And what we can achieve by distributing what we can to others is enough. I think that's the way to get merit.

The thing is the more you stay on the forum being active the more you see other opportunities that can help you get merit, but you need to see the major reason why you need to build yourself up in other to be able to deliver. Here's a guide that could help you through: newbie read this before posting there you find many answers to your questions as well.

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Merit & new rank requirements After reading this topic, I realized a lot.  I read it carefully till the 3rd page, it has become a 322 page topic so I couldn't read everything but here I have a question, many people are looking for merit especially newbies like us but I think we have to learn the rules of this form with dignity.  And what we can achieve by distributing what we can to others is enough. I think that's the way to get merit.

if you look at the post history of members who get a lot of merit then you will realize that they really contributed greatly to the forum and other members. the merit system is really very good for increasing competitiveness between members and making other members have great intentions to make quality posts. getting merit is not easy but I still believe I can get it as long as I don't give up on making a good posts.

[Agbe]

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users  but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting. With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum. Although what is quality post might be different from different demerit sources. Because they might see it from different perspective. I also suggest that if the 'demerit' should be adding, let there be DEMERIT SOURCES to that effect so that there should be check and balance in the meriting source and demeriting source and also there will be division of labor among the two organs in forum.

I really like and love your administrative work. You are neutral to everyone, both the brand Newbies and to the Legendaries, Moderators and to others. Recommendable.

[_act_]

It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users  but users will abuse it.

These are contradicting. What can be abused can not be nice.

Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting.

If there is a report button on every post that you can press and report, there is no need for demerit, demerit can not have any good advantage than frustration.

With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum.

I am quite sure that adding demerit will not add anything good to people's posting quality, it can even be detrimental.

[DdmrDdmr]

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I find that a demerit feature would likely be dreadful one, were it to be implemented. One thing is to subjectively give sMerits to posts, and another is to have a current of subjectivity running in the opposite direction, countering merit TXs for any potential reason one may think of (even if restricted to a few people). It would probably lead to many to part with the Merit System altogether.

[JayJuanGee]

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I find that a demerit feature would likely be dreadful one, were it to be implemented. One thing is to subjectively give sMerits to posts, and another is to have a current of subjectivity running in the opposite direction, countering merit TXs for any potential reason one may think of (even if restricted to a few people). It would probably lead to many to part with the Merit System altogether.

The combination of your post and _act_'s mentioning that we have the "report button"  causes me to consider that maybe removing merits could be one of the selective punishments - but even that seems like a slippery slope concept of too many weird dynamics regarding when it might be applied... rather than the warning, suspending and banning tools that are already being used.   In the end, the idea of demerit seems like it would ONLY have very limited application - and I believe that there have been a couple of instances of merit reversing.. but probably those instances could be counted on 1 or 2 hands?

[Upgrade00]

The combination of your post and _act_'s mentioning that we have the "report button"  causes me to consider that maybe removing merits could be one of the selective punishments - but even that seems like a slippery slope concept of too many weird dynamics regarding when it might be applied...

It would be quite a slippery slope considering how it can be applied. Merits are awarded by individual users based on their assessment, a system that overrides my opinion of a post seems a bit too much. Even banned users can still receive merits on their posts (IIRM), so it shows that their contribution to the forum is very much appreciated even though they broke the rules.

and I believe that there have been a couple of instances of merit reversing.. but probably those instances could be counted on 1 or 2 hands?

And I think those were based on merits sent erroneously or proven cases of abuse which raised too much eyebrows.

[logfiles]

It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users  but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting. With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum. Although what is quality post might be different from different demerit sources. Because they might see it from different perspective. I also suggest that if the 'demerit' should be adding, let there be DEMERIT SOURCES to that effect so that there should be check and balance in the meriting source and demeriting source and also there will be division of labor among the two organs in forum.

I really like and love your administrative work. You are neutral to everyone, both the brand Newbies and to the Legendaries, Moderators and to others. Recommendable.

Something tells me you were not there before, when and right after the merit system was introduced.

First, there was massive spam. The spam you see these days is nothing compared to it. Right after the introduction of the system, there was a lot of drama and rope all over Meta.

But time has proven that the system has helped a lot.

If demeriting was introduced. Chances of it completely messing up things would be very high.

[BD Crypto]

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users  but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting.

I know that in this forum there are a lot of users who deserve demerits. Actually they deserve not only demerits but also permanent ban. And they are being banned everyday so there is no need to add demerit system. Because when you have this option the forum will not remain a place to describe about anything freely.
I think this Forum should have a Warning option where if  someone do which should not be done and worthy to get Demerits then they will be Warned for a sudden period.
It will be a great idea to have Warning option beside Merit system.

[Dunamisx]

I know that in this forum there are a lot of users who deserve demerits.

Base on how i see this, i think it will be the responsibility of the admin to decide on that and not that the features be implemented as everyone has suggested, the admin can choose to demerit any inactive accounts over the period of six months or so or whenever a user is obviously seen to be making a consistent abuse of the use of the merit system.

Actually they deserve not only demerits but also permanent ban.

I don't think it has gotten to this extent, many users can have one or two reasons for their being inactive on the forum, whereas even you and I were not excluded to fall under such experience but we all hope for a better days, therefore it is expected to plan ahead and expect the worse, placing a permanent ban on user's account isn't a right opinion here because this does not go along with any unethical display of the forum's rules for an inactive account.

[Markinzo]

So I noticed it says unused Merit can be decayed at some point in the future - What's the point of this?

Unused sMerit (sendable Merit). I think it's supposed to incentive rewarding others with merit and punish those that hoard their sMerit.
The merit system works only if people actively use it, else everyone is stuck at their current rank.

I wish there would have been some sort of option of giving dislike (-ve merit) to the spam/LQ posts and if any post receives certain -ve merits/dislikes,it should be automatically deleted /hidden

Given the concerns about abuse even with only positive merit, I dont know if I would support that.
There's a whole other level to possible abuse vectors when adding negative merit as well, that can decrease somebodies rank.

Supported! Consider a situation where certain few ignorantly abusing or misusing the negative trust tag in certain cases. Then imagine should a negative merit be put in place it could possibly generate some relative vendetta this could to an extend alter the order we are enjoying in the forum.

Just my own very opinion though!

[Ultegra134]

It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users  but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting. With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum. Although what is quality post might be different from different demerit sources. Because they might see it from different perspective. I also suggest that if the 'demerit' should be adding, let there be DEMERIT SOURCES to that effect so that there should be check and balance in the meriting source and demeriting source and also there will be division of labor among the two organs in forum.

I really like and love your administrative work. You are neutral to everyone, both the brand Newbies and to the Legendaries, Moderators and to others. Recommendable.

Something tells me you were not there before, when and right after the merit system was introduced.

First, there was massive spam. The spam you see these days is nothing compared to it. Right after the introduction of the system, there was a lot of drama and rope all over Meta.

But time has proven that the system has helped a lot.

If demeriting was introduced. Chances of it completely messing up things would be very high.

I'm against - merit too, if someone is spamming or making extremely low quality posts, use your report button. Negative merits could be disastrous, since members could potentially take advantage of the function and targets they may not like.

I'm here since 2014, with a few breaks during that period, and pretty much remember how many people were spamming junk posts all over the forum, thinking they could easily rankup enough to be eligible to enter a signature campaign. To be honest, while it's inevitable to weed out junk posters, putting zero effort to make their posts appealing, the condition is way better than it used to be.

[BITCOIN4X]

I'm against - merit too, if someone is spamming or making extremely low quality posts, use your report button. Negative merits could be disastrous, since members could potentially take advantage of the function and targets they may not like.

I'm here since 2014, with a few breaks during that period, and pretty much remember how many people were spamming junk posts all over the forum, thinking they could easily rankup enough to be eligible to enter a signature campaign. To be honest, while it's inevitable to weed out junk posters, putting zero effort to make their posts appealing, the condition is way better than it used to be.

Theymos could easily add demerits if he needed to, but I think he would certainly be very positive not to add them given that positive merit would be fine. Spam posts can be reported to moderators for deletion, it will help reduce spam though not all of them.

So far the merit system has been quite helpful in preventing spammers from rank up, so I think this system will do just fine without demerits for spammers or low quality posters.

[Eureka_07]

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If demeriting was introduced. Chances of it completely messing up things would be very high.

I like the idea of demerit system. If it will be integrated, I believe there will be more constructive and quality posts here. However, merits are really hard to obtain for other users that are just in the middle (of good and bad "posters"). So I think we are not yet ready for that. I believe there should be more merit sources before implementing it. Regardless, demerit system will have a good fight against spam, no-value posts, and other posts that are substantially unwanted on the forum.

[maikrothaman]

I like this system, a great compliment (or merit) to theymos. To your health! Have a little suggestion. I can see that some sons are inundated with credit points that take up too much space. Exactly this thread is an example where it starts. I think it would be a good idea to add some sort of "see more" to display the full list once it seems too full.

[LoyceV]

Here's some reading to do about deMerit:
LoyceV's deMerit source application
I want a way to demerit posts.

For what it's worth: I haven't seen that many posts lately that I would want to deMerit.

[aysg76]

For what it's worth: I haven't seen that many posts lately that I would want to deMerit.

The spam has reduced to some extent if we see it in context of merit system implementation like those who were not willing to improve left the forum back in 2018 and some others are still carrying the same way of writing shit posts without earning single merit despite being higher rank also.

But then we have this thread where we see users who are definitely writing up post worth demerits : Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny

So will see if @theymos find it suitable to implement this system and we again have piles of thread like in 2018 in meta if it's implemented.

[1miau]

Since more than 300 pages of replies have piled up and more are likely to follow, I just came over the table in the OP and its layout is a bit messy in my opinion, isn't it?

In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

Rank	Required activity	Required merit
Brand new	0	0
Newbie	1	0
Jr Member	30	1
Member	60	10
Full Member	120	100
Sr. Member	240	250
Hero Member	480	500
Legendary	Random in the range 775-1030	1000

Maybe we can improve it a little bit for a better readability?

__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Rank	Required activity	Required merit
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Brand new	0	0
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Newbie	1	0
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Jr Member	30	1
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Member	60	10
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Full Member	120	100
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Sr. Member	240	250
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Hero Member	480	500
__________________	____________________________	____________________________
Legendary	Random in the range 775-1030	1000

It's much easier to read, especially for Newbies with little awareness of the sometimes flawed table function.
Merit & new rank requirements is one of the most frequently visited topics.



Maybe theymos can edit his OP:

Code:

[table]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b]Rank[/b][/td][td][b]Required activity[/b][/td][td][b]Required merit[/b][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Brand new[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Newbie[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Jr Member[/td][td]30[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Member[/td][td]60[/td][td]10[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Full Member[/td][td]120[/td][td]100[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sr. Member[/td][td]240[/td][td]250[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hero Member[/td][td]480[/td][td]500[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]__________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][td]____________________________[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Legendary[/td][td]Random in the range 775-1030[/td][td]1000[/td][/tr][/table]

[Smartvirus]

It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users  but users will abuse it.

These are contradicting. What can be abused can not be nice.

Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting.

If there is a report button on every post that you can press and report, there is no need for demerit, demerit can not have any good advantage than frustration.

Without much consideration, that's the truth. There isn't any need for a demerit system. What we merit here is the posts and not the accounts. The merits when given might be owned by the account but, it is the post that infacts does the entitlement. Hence, how is demerit supposed to work? On some bad low quality posts for which, you don't share the ideas or perhaps you just recalled that, the post which you've previously merited doesn't deserve the merits it got!

That would mean, you weren't diligent enough in giving out the merits and could be as a result of so many things. A demerit system is surely going to bring some abuse. Some users already complains of abuse with the trust system, how then would the 'demerit system' be any different if implemented. There isn't a need for such functionality, the report to Moderator bottom solves it all gor low quality or bad posts.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

It would have been a nice thing to add demerit system in the forum and to regulate undesirable merits of users  but users will abuse it. Unless it will still control by MERIT SOURCES or you create or appoint another DEMERIT SOURCES to demerit any post that is not necessary or not worth of meriting. With that every user will be posting quality posts in the forum. Although what is quality post might be different from different demerit sources. Because they might see it from different perspective. I also suggest that if the 'demerit' should be adding, let there be DEMERIT SOURCES to that effect so that there should be check and balance in the meriting source and demeriting source and also there will be division of labor among the two organs in forum.

With all due respect, I disagree with you, implementing a demerit system will rather cause more problems and confusion than good, personally, I think we already have all that we need, and that is a merit system, why then do we still clamour for demerit system? Does anybody merit a post by mistake?, I believe not, in the sense where nobody merits a post by mistake, I believe we don't need a demerit system at all because it will only create alot of confusion and disagreement amongst us.
Imagine you find a post which after reading, you find it helpful and you decided to merit it, and a demerit source comes around and removes the merit, how would you feel? You probably would feel or see yourself as someone who don't truly know what a good post is.

Or imagine you spent your quality time to create a very educative post, and other members found your post worthy and decided to merit it, but a demerit source for some reason(s) didn't find your post helpful as much and went ahead to remove all the merits you were given, how do you think that would make you feel? Happy?, of course not, you probably would see that demerit source as an enemy of your progress and would start hating him or her.

And on the other hand, seeing a low quality post and not meriting it is already as good as demeriting the post, and if for any reason, you wish to take a step further, the report button is there, you can click it to report the post to the moderator.