Merit & new rank requirements

[SamReomo]

In the case of I know what I know and people don't know what I know is very wrong, everyone has different knowledge and different skills, what others might know you that thinks you know all doesn't know it, hope you guys understand what am trying to saying? Sometimes people who thinks that they can't create a quality post doesn't know that their post might be of good help to another person.
I believe that the merit system is designed to grow anyone who has a quality post that deserves it, i haven't been here for long but this is what I understand about these merit system.

I believe that I largely understand what you are trying to say, which is that each person has differing levels of personal knowledge, and sometimes they may or may not communicate their knowledge very well.

Their experiences may well still be valid, and they also might know things that other forum members do not know, but they still may need to work on improving how they communicate their ideas, whether they receive merits for improving their post quality or not.

I will also add that there are likely a decent number of forum members who probably should spend more time in terms of constructing their posts better to try to make sure that they are either communicating decently good ideas or making some kind of a point that adds value to the conversation, and surely I doubt that there is any kind of necessity that every member understands what they are saying, and in fact if they are communicating sufficiently well, then maybe only a few members will understand what they are saying, and whether they have reached a sufficient enough of a threshold of members understanding them, is not even any kind of a forum requirement, but surely, the more that they can get their posts to resonate with other forum members, then the more likely that someone will end up sending them some smerits.

Surely native speakers of English do have advantages to communicate more clearly and probably do not necessarily need to spend as much time on typing and rereading their posts, and not all new members want to earn merits, but if they do want to earn merits, then it will probably serve them better to either make sure that they are making some kind of a decently new point (and sure it could just be adding something in regards to their experiences on the topic), or that they try to write their post well and perhaps read through it a few times, try to lessen the number of errors and try to make sure that the ideas flow or are grouped in a way that makes sense.

Members do not need to be perfect, as long as they are attempting to be genuine and really attempting to add value (even if they might throw some jokes in there or some provocative statements), but if it seems like they are not really trying or they are being disingenuine, then they are likely to neither receive smerits and also some forum members might start to dislike them or even tag their account with neutral or red trust.

And, sure sometimes style can be helpful too.. so for example, if you are using the same phrases and references, then other members might start to get annoyed by your way of writing or they might lose track of what you are saying... and by the way, you do not necessarily need to be a non-native speaker or a newbie member in order for some members to detect some repetitive patterns in your style of writing and even to make fun of your way of writing.  I have had members imitate my posting style, and surely, I can notice that it looks like something that I would write, and I can recognize why some of them might get annoyed with my writing style.    .. but sometimes if any of us are able to practice some variety in the ways that we say things, then that can be helpful to better communicate some of our ideas a bit more clearly (and in less of an annoying way)... ..

.. even with all of this, I am not even suggesting that any member needs to give into the haters, because haters are going to hate, and you should not let the haters bother you or to direct you, unless you believe that maybe it might be the right thing to do in terms of taking some of the advice of the haters, even if you might sometimes end up taking some of their advice (based on your own choice) and perhaps without even letting the haters know that you are taking some of their mostly hater-motivated advice... and sometimes it is just funny.. sometimes haters are funny too, even if they hate you and then they tell you how much they hate you.. and not to make fun of them, but we cannot necessarily take all of these matters too seriously, even if they might have both good points and bad points all at the same time.

You explained it very well and at the same time you gave your knowledge about the different aspects of the posters. I strongly agree with you that someone's writing style really matters a lot for them to get merits because the ones who are sending merits often look for quality and information in a post. If someone tries his/her best to create good and helpful posts which can promote valid information in the best way possible then the members with such posts often receive merits every once in a while. I believe that our ultimate goal should be to serve the forum as members who could provide helpful and valuable advice to others, and not as those members who often make posts to grab merits. Well, I have seen that sometimes even if you put a lot of effort in creating a post then still you may not receive good amount of merits for such posts, but that doesn't means that you should stop producing such informative posts. At the end such posts will always be appreciated and may also gain you some merits here and there.

I agree with you that the members who are genuine and they try their best to post as much information as they have are  really valuable assets to the forum. We all know that each person has different level of knowledge that he/she can share with others, but your point regarding the way of presentation is also correct. There are some members who have a lot of knowledge about the things, but sometimes they are not able to express it or present it in a way that most people can understand, and for that particular reason those members need to improve their presentation style as well as their writing style so that others can get their point without much difficulty. Those members should work on their writing style in a way that their writing readability score gets higher over time, and I also believe that using of online tools to fix grammar issues is worthless for the ones who want to improve themselves.

I'm also not a native English speaker, but I have spent a lot of hours listening to the audios of the native speakers and read many of the posts and books created by native English speakers, and that's one of the reasons which helped me to improve my English writing skills. Although, I don't really care much about my English these days but mainly focus on the way I present the knowledge that I have. I won't consider myself more knowledgeable than others, but I believe that as  humans we all have different opinions and point of views regarding things, and everyone's opinion hold some kind of value in it. Finally, I would say that I agree with all the points that you have mentioned and if someone follows them with pure heart for the purpose of learning things and then sharing those things to help others then they surely will be awarded with merits for their helpful nature.

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[Doan9269]

Just like I have said before, merit system has been the reason we have quality posts on this forum. If merit system was not introduced, this forum would be a place of trash posts.

You can noticed someone not posting as good as another person, but having more merit, but still he is having merits and ranking higher. People that are giving merit can be partial, especially those on local boards, but merit still ensures that posting quality on this forum is achieved.

Merit system is not a direct cause of quality posts on the forum. Qualified content existed even before the implementation of this system. Moreover, many users who have been here on the forum almost since its inception claim that there were more high-quality discussions than now. Merits did not affect the improvement of the quality of the posts. They just contributed to reducing the number of users who spam.

In my point of view, the most notable thing the merit system does is that it draws a line between quality posters and spammer. The higher number of merits below your forum names represents his dedication, contribution, and ability of that person to make quality comments. When i saw some posts that got merited i tried to read them all in case i might learn something new.

The merit system was introduced as a means of separating the shaft fro grains, if you're a spammer or troller, the merit system will bounce on you and halt you down from growing, this will now advance to helping people know that it is required of them to be a quality posters, if not then they will remain on the same spot without ranking up, not giving a quality post may not result into ban since it's not on the forum rules and regulations to ban users not engaging quality posts, but ca results to being tagged and your posted being deleted or moved to off topic, the merit system instroduced helped alot to know those who are serious from those who were not on this forum.

[Etranger]

Just like I have said before, merit system has been the reason we have quality posts on this forum. If merit system was not introduced, this forum would be a place of trash posts.

You can noticed someone not posting as good as another person, but having more merit, but still he is having merits and ranking higher. People that are giving merit can be partial, especially those on local boards, but merit still ensures that posting quality on this forum is achieved.

Merit system is not a direct cause of quality posts on the forum. Qualified content existed even before the implementation of this system. Moreover, many users who have been here on the forum almost since its inception claim that there were more high-quality discussions than now. Merits did not affect the improvement of the quality of the posts. They just contributed to reducing the number of users who spam.

In my point of view, the most notable thing the merit system does is that it draws a line between quality posters and spammer. The higher number of merits below your forum names represents his dedication, contribution, and ability of that person to make quality comments. When i saw some posts that got merited i tried to read them all in case i might learn something new.

In order to draw a line between a quality poster and a spammer, it is not enough to look only at the number of merits. Unfortunately, there is still trade in merits and accounts on the forum. And an unqualified spammer can write from a promoted account. Or a large number of merits may be due to the initial distribution, when the system was first introduced. And after that, the user practically did not earn merits. So, in order to evaluate the user, you need to conduct a more detailed and qualitative analysis, and not let the number of merits mislead you.

The merit system was introduced as a means of separating the shaft fro grains, if you're a spammer or troller, the merit system will bounce on you and halt you down from growing, this will now advance to helping people know that it is required of them to be a quality posters, if not then they will remain on the same spot without ranking up, not giving a quality post may not result into ban since it's not on the forum rules and regulations to ban users not engaging quality posts, but ca results to being tagged and your posted being deleted or moved to off topic, the merit system instroduced helped alot to know those who are serious from those who were not on this forum.

There is no doubt that merit system made a great contribution to the development of the forum and decrease in the number of spammers and trash posters. However, we cannot make a wrong conclusion that it happened solely because of the merit system. It is necessary to take into account the fading interest in the forums in general. Therefore, those who remain here must be quite devoted to this format of communication. Moreover, a huge number of spammers were associated with more opportunities to earn money on signature campaigns and bounties. Now there are fewer such opportunities, and this is killing the interest of those who registered only for the sake of monetary rewards.

[Bushdark]

Just like I have said before, merit system has been the reason we have quality posts on this forum. If merit system was not introduced, this forum would be a place of trash posts.

You can noticed someone not posting as good as another person, but having more merit, but still he is having merits and ranking higher. People that are giving merit can be partial, especially those on local boards, but merit still ensures that posting quality on this forum is achieved.

Merit system is not a direct cause of quality posts on the forum. Qualified content existed even before the implementation of this system. Moreover, many users who have been here on the forum almost since its inception claim that there were more high-quality discussions than now. Merits did not affect the improvement of the quality of the posts. They just contributed to reducing the number of users who spam.

In my point of view, the most notable thing the merit system does is that it draws a line between quality posters and spammer. The higher number of merits below your forum names represents his dedication, contribution, and ability of that person to make quality comments. When i saw some posts that got merited i tried to read them all in case i might learn something new.

The merit system was introduced as a means of separating the shaft fro grains, if you're a spammer or troller, the merit system will bounce on you and halt you down from growing, this will now advance to helping people know that it is required of them to be a quality posters, if not then they will remain on the same spot without ranking up, not giving a quality post may not result into ban since it's not on the forum rules and regulations to ban users not engaging quality posts, but ca results to being tagged and your posted being deleted or moved to off topic, the merit system instroduced helped alot to know those who are serious from those who were not on this forum.

You have really enlightened more on the merit system which is a way to reduce those people that are not ready to impact to the community. If there was no merit system then things are going to go the other way round. This is why people that are not ready to be active and impact to the community with good posts are not growing in merits at all.

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

[Alone055]

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

[arhipova]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts. So, it will be the good posters who will be rewarded if there are more merits in circulation.

[Shamm]

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

In general boards there are enough merits source they can circulate more merits if they found a good quality post. But some concern are from local boards which they need a merit source cause not all user here in our community know our universal language of users stay on their local contributing good quality post using their languages. So they must need a merit source to rewards those users. Anyways there are some reason that a local board need merit source cause their past merit source are not active or else leave the forum forever.

[Tmoonz]

It is just that merit is used to make this forum to have quality posts.

You are right on that, is merits system is another way building forum user confidence in given that motivation and encouragement that your doing things rightly, for me I do feel more better of when a merit source merit my post it makes me to strive more harder in learning and  making a meaningful and helpful post in other to gain more merit, merits is more like an excitement and flavour added to the system, the merits system also has a away of sustainability of respect as per hirachies, like the different ranks, the adoption of the merits system is very much ok.

[uchegod-21]

It is just that merit is used to make this forum to have quality posts.

You are right on that, is merits system is another way building forum user confidence in given that motivation and encouragement that your doing things rightly, for me I do feel more better of when a merit source merit my post it makes me to strive more harder in learning and  making a meaningful and helpful post in other to gain more merit, merits is more like an excitement and flavour added to the system, the merits system also has a away of sustainability of respect as per hirachies, like the different ranks, the adoption of the merits system is very much ok.

The purpose of the merit system is not to discourage ranking up, rather it is to discourage spamming. I have read that the level of spam in this forum as at 2018 was very much. It was so bad that some people even decided to leave the forum because of large level of spamming. With the present day forum you will understand that the merit system has done its function and it is still doing more. Many people and including myself complain that it is very difficult to end merit. I am beginning to realize that it is fine that way, if merit is that easy to earn, it might not be able to serve its function again. All we need to ask for is fair circulation of merit among different boards and local boards. As I have always said that no system is perfect but the bitcointalk merit system is effective.

[Coyster]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

It is Theymos that adds new merit sources, and to become a merit source you have to apply for it, and there are requirements to apply for the role of a merit source in Bitcointalk, one of which is the user must be a reputable users. Theymos is not going to make users who are not reputable MS's, and the chances of reputable users abusing their source merits is very slim, so there is nothing to be worried about.

[Dunamisx]

And one thing I observed is that the moderator need to allocate more merit sources because there is need for that so that those good quality posts can be merited to establish circulation of merits to those that really deserve it with quality posts.

Moderators are not the ones in charge for the allocation of merits, the admin is in charge, they have plan and format on how they do that once they see the needs for such even without having to request for that.

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

We are having enough merits sources already but having more to help the ones existing is never a bad idea, as we know some already left the forum while some are not active again as before, merit will not land in the hands of abusers as long as only quality posts are being qualified to receiving merits.

[BITCOIN4X]

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We are having enough merits sources already but having more to help the ones existing is never a bad idea, as we know some already left the forum while some are not active again as before, merit will not land in the hands of abusers as long as only quality posts are being qualified to receiving merits.

Maybe not, I mean there are some local board that don't have their own merit source like Nigeria and several others so the word "enough" at this time might not be appropriate. Moreover, there are several boards that are rarely paid attention to by merit source that have a low merit distribution, there they also need a merit source in my opinion.

Admin still needs to add several new merit sources even though so far we have "There are 109 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33140 sMerit per 30 days". But there are many applications that have not been accepted.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I dunno why y'all bumping this ancient thread over an issue that looks as derailing as this...
look, if you wanna make your suggestions on whatever topic that is, why not create another thread or better still, stick to  this   ??
Whether or not Theymos increases the normal monthly allocation of merit should be base on a debate, not some unanimous decisions or objection - This ain't even the best place to base off an argument

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[virasog]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts. So, it will be the good posters who will be rewarded if there are more merits in circulation.

Do you mean that the good posters will be rewarded more if there are more merits in circulation ?

I think that theymos and the mods know how many merits to send to each merit source and they are the better judge to see if these merits fulfill the requirements. Also, we should also know that it is not only the merit source who can distribute merits, also every receiver can send one merit when he gets 2 merits, so this also has to be taken into account when allocating merits to the merit sources.
So, for example if a merit source has 1000 smerits to send at his disposal, technically it is 1500 merits that can be distributed.

[Etranger]

There are enough merit sources and merits in circulation for a fair distribution of merit. More merits in circulation would mean more merits in the hands of merit abusers which isn't something we would want to see happening around, do we?

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts. So, it will be the good posters who will be rewarded if there are more merits in circulation.

I believe the main reason for increasing the number of merit courses is the need to to update the number of people holding such powers. We always need fresh input, new perspectives on the situation. This is the only way to talk about development, about moving forward. Otherwise, the general background will remain the same.

[Rikafip]

Not true, the merit abusers or spammers are not going to get merits at all as merit sources will never spam spam posts.

How can you be so sure that those two groups of users won't get merit from merit sources? Anyone who sends merit to enough users will eventually sent some merit to some dodgy member who abuses/break forum rules. That's just how things work.

[brownn]

So, for example if a merit source has 1000 smerits to send at his disposal, technically it is 1500 merits that can be distributed.

It will be more than 1500. 1000 merit receivers will have 500. Now this 500 merit receivers can send 250 and so on.

[LoyceV]

Anyone who sends merit to enough users will eventually sent some merit to some dodgy member who abuses/break forum rules.

If said dodgy member posts a good post, the Merit is deserved. Let the Mods deal with rule breakers, that's not what the Merit system is for.
I sometimes think of Meriting a plagiarising Newbie right before he gets banned, just to make it hurt more. But that would be Merit abuse so I don't do it.

[joker_josue]

If anyone wants to Read my Threads and give Merit, Feel Free.

Does anyone know when I can give my First Merit? When do we get our First Merits to Share?

First you have to receive merits, and then you can give merits. For every 2 merits received, you can give 1 merit.
To give merits to a post, simply click on the "+Merit" button, which is located next to the "quote" button.


Now the most important thing, before you start giving merit, is to make quality posts to be able to receive merit. To do this, try to get involved in the themes of the topics, share information you have, and raise questions that you find useful for yourself and others.

[LoyceV]

First you have to receive merits, and then you can give merits. For every 2 merits received, you can give 1 merit.

You're explaining what could be read in the OP to someone who's post has now been deleted by a Mod.
I just clicked Ignore so I don't waste my time reading his posts again.

make quality posts to be able to receive merit. To do this, try to get involved in the themes of the topics, share information you have, and raise questions that you find useful for yourself and others.

In my experience, shitposters trying to do what you suggested still produce shitposts.