Merit & new rank requirements

[RivAngE]

As promised, I keep updating the very inactive topic in Meta.
Once upon a time, it was the hottest place in Meta, so we should keep it updated.
Sometime later, it will return to be the hottest one again, I believe.

Please get them there if you are interested:
Abstract of the latest week update
Intra-week update
Intra-day update

Maybe... when cryptocurrencies shoot high and the I-wanna-get-rich-fast people get back to the forums, many of them realised they are stuck in low level accounts and others just being new here, they might come back here to bash the system or beg for merits.

Unfortunately, we're still getting spams and shitposts from multi-account holders who were given free merits to all their old accounts.
But I imagine that the situation would be much worse if we didn't have the merit system at all.

[tranthidung]

Sooner or later, they will come back, and dump their shitty complaints.

Maybe... when cryptocurrencies shoot high and the I-wanna-get-rich-fast people get back to the forums, many of them realised they are stuck in low level accounts and others just being new here, they might come back here to bash the system or beg for merits.

It might become a massive issues for those ones if new demotions aim at higher ranks implemented in the future by theymos.
It will be a very interesting, very hot topic if high-rank demotions occur.

Unfortunately, we're still getting spams and shitposts from multi-account holders who were given free merits to all their old accounts.

Absolutely helpful merit system to control and wipe out spambies.

But I imagine that the situation would be much worse if we didn't have the merit system at all.

[TheQuin]

Sooner or later, they will come back, and dump their shitty complaints.

I think it is just that everyone has got used to it now it has been in place so long. The same thing happened when Activity was first introduced. There were lots of threads and complaints about it until everyone forgot was it was like before the change.

[tranthidung]

Agreed at this point.

I think it is just that everyone has got used to it now it has been in place so long.

I even did not know about the Activity requirements implementation. I simply thought it was here since the implementation of forum rank system.

The same thing happened when Activity was first introduced.

For changes,
I envisioned that some day, might be years from now, the forum will see new demotion waves.
Admin might give a long period of self-made users to promote, after that demotions will be made aim at high-rank users that won't earn any merit over years.

There were lots of threads and complaints about it until everyone forgot was it was like before the change.

[JeromeTash]

Going back to 4k weekly.

Hey @Coinlocket$, If you don't mind, could you please kindly add a title on each of the columns of the tables you share especially what the last 2 columns stand for  I am finding it very hard to interpret since i just started following the thread today and it'w one huge hell of a thread. I can't really pinpoint when your analysis started.

I suppose I may not be the only one having trouble.

[tranthidung]

JeromeTash,
You can get it there.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg48183121#msg48183121
coinlocket$ dropped the table, so it is lack of colums' headers.
I made a topic to trace the change of merit circulations over last 7 weeks after the Default Trust Change occured on 9th Jan. 2019.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg50040066#msg50040066
After 7 weeks, both median and mean of intraday-merits between before and after period are almost the same (less than 4.2% differences)

[coinlocket$]

yeah, my table has the intent to be a quick visual answer for who what a fast response, we have better tools for big analysis

https://public.tableau.com/profile/ddmrddmr#!/vizhome/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/GlobalSummary
http://loyce.club/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4456438.0

1st column is the difference with last week, 2nd from 1st tracking.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

how can i get merits, anyone willing to give please

Worst decision ever, this act of your (begging for merit) is strongly frown at and might earn you some red trust and possibly end you on must reputed users ignore list. If you feel you deserve some merit based on your previous quality posts that you have contributed to the forum, participate in Giveaways dedicated to helping user within your rank status to rank up.

[fillippone]

how can i get merits, anyone willing to give please

I do reiterate CryptopreneurBrainboss point.
Merits are not given away (I could point some notable exceptions, but it wouldn’t help), but rewarding good posts.
If you really care about merits you might draw inspiration from my guide on how to write good post and THEN getting merits

[coinlocket$]

Overall sMerit From rank to rank, ignoring the donator/admin/donator/vip/staff/brand new rank



Usual weekly updade

[lobcmt2]

You, again, made a great weekly update in the topic.

Overall sMerit From rank to rank, ignoring the donator/adming/donator/vip/staff/brand new rank

Personally, I don't like the first chart.
The reason behind this is the chart is too difficult to see which rank is highest, which rank is lowest.
I thought that you have very good ideas, but it the chart will express your ideas better if you use bar chart.
If I were you, I would use horizontal bar chart for the case, coinlocket$
For example:

I don't know why sums of both colums or rows do not equal to 100 percent. What's wrong?
Or are there missing data?


Edited:
I look back at your thread, it seems that I found reasons

ignoring the donator/admin/donator/vip/staff/brand new rank

[coinlocket$]

ignoring the donator/admin/donator/vip/staff/brand new rank

I used to track them but other people are doing a better job, using data from here. https://public.tableau.com/profile/ddmrddmr#!/vizhome/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/GlobalSummary

Yes those ranks are skipped since they are the 0.000000000000000000000x something about the forum population.

The chart was used long time ago here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3054205.msg31449020#msg31449020 I've only updated data, yours seems better tbh.

[DdmrDdmr]

Yesterday I created a post that shows the breakdown of the merit distribution by week, detailing the amount per section/subsection for each week of 2019, and summarizing 2018 as a block. Some local boards seem to be suffering quite a bit, be if due to a lack of decent posts or a lack of awarded merit (i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Romanian, etc.)

The recent variation from one week to another in terms of net sMerits is small, but regardless we can see the inner doings here:



The chart is broken down by section/subsection (but no further . i.e. childboards), and each numeric column is the week number (where week Nº 10 is the current week and therefore partial). <…>

[fillippone]

Yesterday I created a post that shows the breakdown of the merit distribution by week, detailing the amount per section/subsection for each week of 2019, and summarizing 2018 as a block. Some local boards seem to be suffering quite a bit, be if due to a lack of decent posts or a lack of awarded merit (i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Romanian, etc.)
 

Very informative and interesting report.
Also what happened to the Italian board? It has almost disapperared! (Asking for a friend)

[wwzsocki]

Yesterday I created a post that shows the breakdown of the merit distribution by week, detailing the amount per section/subsection for each week of 2019, and summarizing 2018 as a block. Some local boards seem to be suffering quite a bit, be if due to a lack of decent posts or a lack of awarded merit (i.e. Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Romanian, etc.)

The recent variation from one week to another in terms of net sMerits is small, but regardless we can see the inner doings here:



The chart is broken down by section/subsection (but no further . i.e. childboards), and each numeric column is the week number (where week Nº 10 is the current week and therefore partial). <…>

This clearly shows that we need more merit sources in our local communities.

There are few requests from members to be a merit source. There are only a few posts supporting these applications because local communities are not big and strong enough to show more support.

With only a few comments these threads are gone between hundreds of others.

I ask everybody to show support in these threads. We need a few posts to get attention please comment there.

First is from @coinlocket$ to be a merit source in Italian local forum. Here link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119132.msg50107122#msg50107122

Second is from Polish local community member @Bitcryptex. Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117296.msg50035193#msg50035193

[TryNinja]

This is surprisingly complicated for a Forum.

I'm almost saddened to say I still don't fully understand the concept.

How so? Many big forums I know require likes/upvotes to rank up between a rank and another. This is the same.

Make good posts = get merits = rank up. Easy.

[fillippone]

This is surprisingly complicated for a Forum.

I'm almost saddened to say I still don't fully understand the concept.

There's a whole section dedicated to newbies, where you can find loads of sources to bettter understand how the forum works, even before how the subject of the forum works (way more difficult!).

Check the board Beginners & Help
There are plenty of guides, like this one I wrote myself just to help newbies writing good post and progress through the ranks: Ranking up is Possible! My top 10 Hints!
Hope it helps.

[LoyceV]

i have 24 activity i will be jr member or not

No. Please stop shitposting. Or wait, let me help you!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is surprisingly complicated for a Forum.

It might be unusual to link something like merits for posts to your rank on a forum--I've never seen it before--but believe me, it's necessary here.  Don't know how familiar you are with bitcointalk, but a lot of members here are in signature campaigns and thus are paid to post, and as you would expect that attracts a lot of people from all over the world, desperate for money and who aren't necessarily qualified for any sort of writing job in a language they may not be proficient in.  Most sig campaigns only pay for posts in English, and obviously that isn't everyone's first language.  The result is that bitcointalk became flooded with garbage posts, many of which either don't add anything useful or just don't make any sense whatsoever. 

And the higher your rank, the more advertising space you get in your signature, so we had people farming accounts and ranking them up either to sell or to enter into these campaigns.  It got so bad by late 2017 that Theymos finally interceded and created the merit system, and now in order to rank up you need a certain amount of merits to get to each rank.  Merits are given at the discretion of individual members if they have any to give, and the result is that now it's much, much harder to rank up.  That's the history and a description of the merit system in a nutshell.

It's really not all that complicated, because it's basically a "like" function, except that the number of likes (merits) you can give out isn't unlimited.  There are so-called merit sources, members who are given a monthly allocation of sendable merits (sMerits), and their purpose is to liberally merit good posts and thus allow members to rank up, although those merits certainly can be given to Legendary members who can't rank up any more than that.

It's a rough culture here, but you'll figure it out here if you stick around long enough.

[fillippone]

i have 24 activity i will be jr member or not

No. Please stop shitposting. Or wait, let me help you!

Dear Lord,
that was a bad start....
well done spotting this immediately.