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November 20, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
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This merit system seems out of balance with Member to Full Member. 
Why 10 to be Member but 100 to be Full Member, a 10X increase?

If this is true, Full Member to Sr Member should be 2400 merit, and similarly 4800 to Hero etc.

A more in line Merit from Member to Full would be around 20 - 25 IMO

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November 20, 2019, 12:14:22 PM
Last edit: November 20, 2019, 04:43:25 PM by LoyceV
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A more in line Merit from Member to Full would be around 20 - 25 IMO
The Merit required for Full Member and higher is close to the required Activity. If anything is out of balance, is that Jr. Members and Members require less Merit.

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November 20, 2019, 04:23:06 PM
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A more in line Merit from Member to Full would be around 20 - 25 IMO
The Merit required for Full Member and higher is close the the required Activity. If anything is out of balance, is that Jr. Members and Members require less Merit.


Hahahaaha...

You are correct Loyce, and the whole point about striving to achieve "in line" merit system is ludicrous at best, at least in terms of considering the trajectory in terms of percentages.

Currently, there seems to be a decently low threshold for members to get started in achieving some kind of rank by having low thresholds to get started.  They get some skin in the game by achieving some rank relatively quickly, as long as someone finds enough value in their post(s) to send some smerit love in their direction, but yeah as a percentage those values are pretty great between member and full member, even while there should seem to be no real desire to line up the percentages because then, as you imply either the earlier ranking would have to become more difficult, even while phillymogul seems to be suggesting that upper ranking could be made easier.

In other words, even though percentage thinking might make sense in terms of how you allocate the value of your bitcoins versus shitcoins versus other investments, and in might make sense in terms of considering BTC price movements, it makes a lot less sense in terms of ranking up, so in that regard the current ranking up system does seem to strike a decently aligned balance to allow contributory members to rank up to regular member status fairly quickly but then necessitate the garnering of a lot more merits, in substantive terms (even though not really in percentages) in order to achieve the higher ranks.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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November 21, 2019, 03:44:01 AM
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A more in line Merit from Member to Full would be around 20 - 25 IMO
I don't offend our opinion but if the merit requirements for the Full member rank is 20 or 25, full members are not too different than Members.
Non-difference in their post quality compared to closest lower rank (the Member rank) and there are more Full member users.

I assume with 100-required merits for Full member rank, there are 1000 self-made Full members.
Then, if the requirement reduces to 25 merits (as you wanted), there are likely 4000 self-made Full members.
Those figures above are only assumed, not real ones but from the assumption and results you can see your odds to be accepted in campaigns (4000 applicants rather than only 1000 applicants) will be decreased roughly four times with 25-required merits for the Full member rank. Do you want it?

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November 25, 2019, 08:21:24 AM
Merited by fillippone (2)
 #6105

Lots of spikes in daily and weekly merits (due to the Art contest's effects), so I come back to this thread.

What an impressive last week!

The last week (2019w46) is the third highest week since the merit system released. It stays only behind the first two weeks when the forum saw the merit system.
Code:
. list merit week if merit >= 6373 | merit <= 2645

     +-----------------+
     | merit      week |
     |-----------------|
  1. | 30960    2018w4 |
  2. | 19979    2018w5 |
  3. | 14251   2019w46 |
  4. | 13313    2018w6 |
  5. | 11745    2018w7 |
     |-----------------|
  6. |  8833    2018w9 |
  7. |  8767    2018w8 |
  8. |  7837   2018w38 |
  9. |  7317   2018w11 |
 10. |  7261   2018w10 |
     |-----------------|
 11. |  6952   2018w12 |
 12. |  6744   2018w13 |
 13. |  6632    2019w2 |
 14. |  6423   2018w14 |
     +-----------------+

Intra-day merits:
Full and truncated datasets, respectively:

Merits over days of week:
As you can see, most of the outliers (especially very extreme ones) over days come from the last week.
Outliers displayed (in red circles) and non-displayed, respectively.

Interquartile range of intra-day merits

Intra-week merits:

The Art contest's effects:

For details, please see: tranthidung's statistical threads on bitcointalk

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November 25, 2019, 09:09:40 AM
Last edit: November 25, 2019, 09:33:57 AM by fillippone
 #6106

Well actually there are three factors that weighed in the last couple of weeks.

I would say we can list them in decreasing order of importance:
  • The art thread. One-off event, with theymos creating merits out of the thin air (sort of QE in the merit economy) to reward participants.
  • New merit sources, promoted and replacing inactive merit sources
  • 175% increase in the monthly allowance of the old merit sources, compared to the average held in the past 6 months

So perhaps the increase may not be so temporary (although not at these levels, of course).

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November 25, 2019, 11:42:53 AM
Last edit: November 26, 2019, 05:05:43 AM by tranthidung
 #6107

Most of last distributed merits come from theymos. This figure is for the last 30 days.
9886: theymos
You scanned it too but those figures are not final ones.
Merit Spree I: 3399
Merit Spree II: 3813
Merit Spree III: 1236
Total merits in the art contest: 9029
78 forum pages scanned.

Weekly rank is below. So, most of 14251 merits distributed last 7 days come from theymos.
Code:
. list weeklyrank merit week, abb(30)

     +------------------------------+
     | weeklyrank   merit      week |
     |------------------------------|
  1. |          1   30960    2018w4 |
  2. |          2   19979    2018w5 |
  3. |          3   14251   2019w46 |
  4. |          4   13313    2018w6 |
  5. |          5   11745    2018w7 |
     |------------------------------|
  6. |          6    8833    2018w9 |
  7. |          7    8767    2018w8 |
  8. |          8    7837   2018w38 |
  9. |          9    7317   2018w11 |
 10. |         10    7261   2018w10 |
     |------------------------------|
 11. |         11    6952   2018w12 |
 12. |         12    6744   2018w13 |
 13. |         13    6632    2019w2 |
 14. |         14    6423   2018w14 |
 15. |         15    6130   2019w13 |
     |------------------------------|
 16. |         16    5644   2018w37 |
 17. |         17    5542   2019w42 |
 18. |         18    5494   2018w15 |
 19. |         19    5454   2019w19 |
 20. |         20    5354   2019w24 |
     |------------------------------|
 21. |         21    5317    2019w3 |
 22. |         22    5271   2019w15 |
 23. |         23    5214   2019w20 |
 24. |         24    4975   2019w43 |
 25. |         25    4965   2018w18 |
     |------------------------------|
 26. |         26    4929   2018w25 |
 27. |         27    4913   2019w10 |
 28. |         28    4829   2018w42 |
 29. |         29    4803    2019w1 |
 30. |         30    4766   2018w19 |
     |------------------------------|
 31. |         31    4764   2019w18 |
 32. |         32    4742   2018w16 |
 33. |         33    4735   2019w45 |
 34. |         34    4730   2019w44 |
 35. |         35    4726   2019w25 |
     |------------------------------|
 36. |         36    4688   2019w16 |
 37. |         37    4687   2019w23 |
 38. |         38    4667    2019w4 |
 39. |         39    4638    2019w9 |
 40. |         40    4612   2018w17 |
     |------------------------------|
 41. |         41    4609   2019w12 |
 42. |         42    4580   2019w21 |
 43. |         43    4575   2018w47 |
 44. |         44    4565   2019w41 |
 45. |         45    4538   2018w23 |
     |------------------------------|
 46. |         46    4526   2019w14 |
 47. |         47    4525   2018w45 |
 48. |         48    4521    2019w8 |
 49. |         49    4520   2019w38 |
 50. |         50    4491    2019w5 |
     |------------------------------|
 51. |         51    4465   2018w26 |
 52. |         52    4448   2019w17 |
 53. |         53    4445   2019w22 |
 54. |         54    4395   2018w39 |
 55. |         55    4367   2019w26 |
     |------------------------------|
 56. |         56    4357   2019w40 |
 57. |         57    4353   2018w20 |
 58. |         58    4332    2019w6 |
 59. |         59    4326   2019w11 |
 60. |         60    4318   2019w39 |
     |------------------------------|
 61. |         61    4310   2018w40 |
 62. |         62    4278   2018w27 |
 63. |         63    4277   2019w29 |
 64. |         64    4247   2018w28 |
 65. |         65    4236   2019w33 |
     |------------------------------|
 66. |         66    4225   2019w27 |
 67. |         67    4221    2019w7 |
 68. |         68    4194   2018w22 |
 69. |         69    4176   2019w30 |
 70. |         70    4167   2018w29 |
     |------------------------------|
 71. |         71    4119   2019w28 |
 72. |         72    4043   2019w37 |
 73. |         73    4011   2018w32 |
 74. |         74    3953   2018w43 |
 75. |         75    3864   2018w21 |
     |------------------------------|
 76. |         76    3863   2018w31 |
 77. |         77    3839   2018w24 |
 78. |         78    3816   2018w41 |
 79. |         79    3809   2019w36 |
 80. |         80    3805   2018w50 |
     |------------------------------|
 81. |         81    3805   2018w34 |
 82. |         82    3769   2018w51 |
 83. |         83    3765   2018w48 |
 84. |         84    3747   2018w46 |
 85. |         85    3661   2018w30 |
     |------------------------------|
 86. |         86    3631   2018w33 |
 87. |         87    3622   2019w34 |
 88. |         88    3590   2018w36 |
 89. |         89    3571   2018w49 |
 90. |         90    3549   2019w31 |
     |------------------------------|
 91. |         91    3540   2019w35 |
 92. |         92    3347   2018w44 |
 93. |         93    3338   2018w52 |
 94. |         94    3207   2019w32 |
 95. |         95    3072   2018w35 |
     +------------------------------+

Oops! I was wrong with above prediction.

The truth is here:
To sum up:

In 2019w46
  • Total distributed merits: 14251
  • Total merits sent by theymos: 1071
  • Median of weekly merits before the last week: 4521

A raw caculation from merits (with all possible effects from Art contest - excludes theymos' sent-merits, new merit sources, newly increased sMerits allocation, and the others), we have:
Code:
. di 14251-1071-4521
8659
Unbelievable!

Update:
  • The forum users distributed 8659 merits more what they usually did in most of half previous weeks at 4521 (the median of weekly merits).
  • There is nearly 292% increase in the total merits last week, compares to median of weekly merits (before 2019w46) at 4521.

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                   🙇  This is my own opinion

                   😄 In the joy of completing 10 years of Bitcointalk, make all newbie members a junior member 👍

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November 26, 2019, 05:24:52 AM
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In the joy of completing 10 years of Bitcointalk, make all newbie members a junior member

Nice try but you should have joined the art contest in the joy of the 10th year anniversary. There were many newbies who where given ample merits to rank up.


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November 26, 2019, 05:46:18 AM
Last edit: November 26, 2019, 06:07:12 AM by tranthidung
Merited by CryptopreneurBrainboss (2)
 #6110

In the joy of completing 10 years of Bitcointalk, make all newbie members a junior member
My two cents:
- There is no joy to help shitposters rank up (I don't say you are shitposter, I just say about the general fact) so no one will help you a single merit for that post. It takes the forum (with merit system, rank requirements and community help) about two years to gradually wipe out shitposters. There is no joy to help shitposters growing again.
- Two years ago, I began as a newbie like you, and now I am on my way to the Legendary rank.
You can do it, if:
- Don't beg for merits
- Learn, improve, and contribute to the forum, community in right way.

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November 26, 2019, 05:51:17 AM
Last edit: November 26, 2019, 06:12:15 AM by Airdropking143
 #6111

sir i do not understand how to make my merit

earlier we used to rank according to the activity  we had But now the merit system has been done.  As many posts as we do, not a single merit comes, please tell me what to do


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November 26, 2019, 06:00:16 AM
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sir i do not understand how to make my merit

earlier we used to rank according to the activity  we had But now the merit system has been done.  As many posts as we do, not a single merit comes, please tell me what to do
Follow the highlighted parts:

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

sir what merit can we buy?HuhHuh??
You can't [earn it instead]...
- SMH Angry

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November 26, 2019, 06:00:26 AM
 #6113

Read it first, please. Writing a welcome message
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sir what merit can we buy?HuhHuh??
Yes, you can but you can not move any far from newbie by buying merits and there are risks of paited Red.

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sir what merit can we buy?HuhHuh??
You can't [earn it instead]...
- SMH Angry
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ok sir i will remove it
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November 26, 2019, 06:08:20 AM
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sir i do not understand how to make my merit

earlier we used to rank according to the activity  we had But now the merit system has been done.  As many posts as we do, not a single merit comes, please tell me what to do


sir what merit can we buy?HuhHuh??

This is what baffles me..you registered on this forum almost year and a half ago, and  yet never really bothered to read pinned messages, guides, FAQs etc.

How can someone be part of some community, and never be at least  a bit curious to see what is going on the forum? It's more of a rhetorical question really, answer is obvious when i see your post history.

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November 26, 2019, 06:20:46 AM
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Read it first, please. Writing a welcome message
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sir what merit can we buy?HuhHuh??
Yes, you can but you can not move any far from newbie by buying merits and there are risks of paited Red.

Sir, at least we can be junior members and you said, 'Risk sir risks' is there in everywhere
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November 26, 2019, 08:01:22 AM
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Sir, at least we can be junior members and you said, 'Risk sir risks' is there in everywhere
Yes, you can become a junior member but your account will be next to useless. It will be red-tagged and you won't be able to use it in most bounty campaigns. It's like paying for nothing. Do you want that kind of risk?


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November 26, 2019, 08:16:50 AM
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sir i do not understand how to make my merit

Then you do not deserve any merit, if you are unable to read the 20,000 merit threads on this forum to gain the information then you are shit out of luck son

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November 26, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
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I'm talking too hard theymos.Sounds bad to me.When I see a merit being sold for 15$.I think those who are doing this are doing a bad job.Whoever does that will have to reap its fruits,I shouldn't think so.Because I respect merit as well as those who give merit for free.I hope you have something to say on this?
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November 27, 2019, 05:02:36 AM
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I'm talking too hard theymos.Sounds bad to me.When I see a merit being sold for 15$.I think those who are doing this are doing a bad job.Whoever does that will have to reap its fruits,I shouldn't think so.Because I respect merit as well as those who give merit for free.I hope you have something to say on this?

This is no news although you're advice to avoid patronizing such act because if caught, you'll lose but your funds (to the merit seller) and probably get demerited (lose your merit). Try carrying out some personal investigate to get the culprits behind the merit selling and report to the forum and they might just get punished, as this act is currently been frowned at.

Merit are might to serve as a motivation to the user been merited, an indication of quality, which is gained and not some privilege you can buy off the internet.

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