Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[Vexatious]

Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.

I still have not gotten a refund from Minersource and I asked for it quite some time ago. So how is it you get a refund yet I don't?

Seriously, 0.344 BTC should be an easy thing to refund me yet they refuse to do it.

[jimmothy]

Well this now looks even worse, even BFL is offering pretty good compensation plans for their tardiness.  An extra 250% of hashing power for batch 1 customers!  Puts BA to shame.  You know your behind the times when you out BFL, BFL.

Yea bfl is totally putting BA to shame..

A $5000 monarch has gone from 600gh -> 1000gh

Where as a $4000 prospero has gone from 2000gh -> 2900gh

[JT-KGY]

Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.

Lucky for you..........

I've been dealing with Matt @ Minersource for 2.5 weeks...
Now that my order has been canceled.  Still no refund yet.

At one point, I got an email that wire is on my way (which I never received).
It was $49 off what I paid for my order.

[Skaterdiejosh]

So is there any real life pictures of any chips or pcb boards or anything yet !!! Or just fake ass cgi pictures that posted on there website !! LoL what a joke !! Please correct me if im wrong would love to see some pictures ...

[jimmothy]

Well this now looks even worse, even BFL is offering pretty good compensation plans for their tardiness.  An extra 250% of hashing power for batch 1 customers!  Puts BA to shame.  You know your behind the times when you out BFL, BFL.

Yea bfl is totally putting BA to shame..

A $5000 monarch has gone from 600gh -> 1000gh

Where as a $4000 prospero has gone from 2000gh -> 2900gh

Jimmothy, I have not bothered you or your comments on BA this entire time.  I have seen your input as valid and have even taken to heart some of the things that you have said.  And yet you come out attacking everyone no matter what.

A prospero is ~$6,000 first of all, BA is giving their "compensation" package to everyone, not just those who paid at the very first price.  Also the $5000 monarch is going from 600 GH to 1.6 TH, please understand the full package before trying to refute.
Hopefully the 2.9 TH/s will be able to be run at a home, given the high power consumption running at that level, it will be a stretch to fit one of the X-3 boxes on a circuit.
BFL is actually giving the hardware to their customers whereas I get cloud mining that I cannot even resell when it becomes (if not already shipped as) worthless.
BFL is delaying 5 weeks, BA is delaying 8 weeks.  (I understand this may change based on companies pasts, but for now that's what we have to go on, all biases aside).  I am sure I do not have to tell you how precious 3 weeks can be in the mining world, unless you are BA and do not care about your customers interests in making a profit because all you do is manufacture mining equipment.

I thought BA compensation was only for batch 1 orders.

Bfl is not delaying 5 weeks. They promised delivery of every month since november. They will not ship in 5 weeks or even 2 months.

Anyways the 250% compensation is only for the earliest orders for a monarch and comparing it to the earliest orders of a prospero it is still lacking.

My point is that because they ripped off their customers so much, they can afford to give a better compensation.

I too wish we could get double the hashrate for compensation but that would mean we would be getting hardware for around $1/gh and BA couldn't afford it. Asicminer gen3 chips alone will be $1/gh

[necro_nemesis]

Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front?  No money no matter.

[AchrafB]

@Phinnaeus Gage

Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store.  Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s

I noticed the same thing. When I was considering a purchase, but I decided not to after finding that. 

Yup thats our mail forwarding box.

Talk about paranoia in this topic....

Better say Conspiration

Yahh.
how the hell did you get a avatar in your profile... ?

Date Registered:    June 18, 2013, 06:55:14 AM

Lack of posts doesn't ACTUALLY a newbie make.

Oki dokie.

i was fuckin stoned and i did'nt understand what they were saying stupid retards !! thanks Biomech for the reply !

[JT-KGY]

Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.

Lucky for you..........

I've been dealing with Matt @ Minersource for 2.5 weeks...
Now that my order has been canceled.  Still no refund yet.

At one point, I got an email that wire is on my way (which I never received).
It was $49 off what I paid for my order.

This is exactly what I'm concerned about, cancelling but ending up with both no order spot and no money back.

bobsag3 / Matt

Please refund my money!
I just sent you another email!

[Skaterdiejosh]

Black Arrow has been taking Pre Orders for like 6 months !! They have easily made millions in Pre orders by now and they don't really have shit to show for it but more CGI pictures and more Pre order deals that make them look like its such a great deal for the price per Gh/s that you get. How many Pre order batches do you need to sale befor you even deliver on the first one !! LoL

[coolmusic]

When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.

[Biomech]

Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front?  No money no matter.

Bitmain.

[Biomech]

@Phinnaeus Gage

Thread is tl;dr, but minersource address via "contact us" on website is a UPS store.  Definitely pre-ordering from their page /s

I noticed the same thing. When I was considering a purchase, but I decided not to after finding that. 

Yup thats our mail forwarding box.

Talk about paranoia in this topic....

Better say Conspiration

Yahh.
how the hell did you get a avatar in your profile... ?

Date Registered:    June 18, 2013, 06:55:14 AM

Lack of posts doesn't ACTUALLY a newbie make.

Oki dokie.

i was fuckin stoned and i did'nt understand what they were saying stupid retards !! thanks Biomech for the reply !

Lucky you! I ain't been stoned in so long I don't know what it feels like anymore

Banter aside, I hate how newbies get jumped here. Granted, some have it coming, but the "old boys club" mentality just ain't gonna get it. Bitcoin is going mainstream. It ain't there yet, but it's getting there. A year ago, a few people were aware of it. Now it's front page news even in Boise, Idaho, where the newspaper has made a century long career out of being behind the times.

We desperately need new people, and jumping somebody just for being new is stupid. In nature, Stupidity is a capital crime. Judgment is immediate, utterly impartial, and there is no appeal. In modern society we have made a religion out of protecting the stupid. Since stupid is ALWAYS a choice, that religion is not only false, it's fatal.

[Biomech]

When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.

That is not how it works. They have to communicate any delays, operate on a definite timeline, and if the delays are excessive (which usually is taken as two weeks by most US courts), they have to offer a refund. TOS only supersedes law if it's MORE restrictive on the vendor.

This is not new information. I'm not a lawyer, so I've no clue how they might be able to wiggle, but the basic principle is solid, and I'm not guessing.

[coolmusic]

When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.

That is not how it works. They have to communicate any delays, operate on a definite timeline, and if the delays are excessive (which usually is taken as two weeks by most US courts), they have to offer a refund. TOS only supersedes law if it's MORE restrictive on the vendor.

This is not new information. I'm not a lawyer, so I've no clue how they might be able to wiggle, but the basic principle is solid, and I'm not guessing.

I see... In that case BA can choose the form and the time of the refund? For example in a gift card or something like that?

[necro_nemesis]

Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front?  No money no matter.

Bitmain.

And were people parading up and down the streets with pitchfork in hand prior to release of U and S 1's?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.

wrong noob, most countries have laws that product customers from this type of scam.  (With USA and China both being one of them)  These laws state that if a product is not shipping you have the right to request and receive a refund.  The law of the land supersedes any laws put forth by companies.  Please educate yourself a little before posting nonsense.

EDIT: Dang, should have let PG field that one, would have been much more hilarious than what I just wrote.

Correctamundo! I would have started with "Wrongamundo..." taking into consideration coolmusic's native tongue.

[JT-KGY]

Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.

Lucky for you..........

I've been dealing with Matt @ Minersource for 2.5 weeks...
Now that my order has been canceled.  Still no refund yet.

At one point, I got an email that wire is on my way (which I never received).
It was $49 off what I paid for my order.

This is exactly what I'm concerned about, cancelling but ending up with both no order spot and no money back.

bobsag3 / Matt

Please refund my money!
I just sent you another email!

Still no words/replies from Matt yet on the status of my refund.
I'm going to PM him on this forum just to make sure...........

[coolmusic]

When we place a pre-order agree with the conditions and BA say very clear from the day one "whe use the money of your order to produce the miners so... no refunds" and "delays can happens" (more or less). You can ask nicely for a refund but is not your right.

wrong noob, most countries have laws that product customers from this type of scam.  (With USA and China both being one of them)  These laws state that if a product is not shipping you have the right to request and receive a refund.  The law of the land supersedes any laws put forth by companies.  Please educate yourself a little before posting nonsense.

EDIT: Dang, should have let PG field that one, would have been much more hilarious than what I just wrote.

Correctamundo! I would have started with "Wrongamundo..." taking into consideration coolmusic's native tongue.

first of all in EU the retail stores and other sellers (for example shoping malls, department stores etc..) don't have the obligation by law to offer a refund. A lot of them offers it under different conditions  and the major part of the people thinks they have right to it but the law only says "if the item don't works, and the retailer can not replace it for the same or similar" and they don't have the obligation to refund in cash (they must advertise this in the bills, invoices and in the store before purchase).
Another question is what if they don't deliver the goods or what is a reasonable/justified delay and what not for that we have a kind of "consumer court" to place complaints and make deals and arrangements between customers and sellers. In fact few years ago I have a job in the customer service of one of the biggest retail chains of EU (like your Walmart) and I know a little bit of what I'm talking about.

We make and order thru a web page to a chinese corp. as show in my invoice (maybe in yours appears an US Corp), so im not sure if we can apply our local laws or the law of your country in these case.

Please think the world is a big place before ask someone to "educate yourself"

In one of my native languages "próspero" (Spanish) means "wealthy", I hope so.

Finally... Phinaeus come on dude, improve your life, turn off your computer, go out and get a girlfriend or something  

[Biomech]

Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front?  No money no matter.

Bitmain.

And were people parading up and down the streets with pitchfork in hand prior to release of U and S 1's?

No. They followed the smart model and only sold "in hand" units. Still do, other than occasionally a couple days lead time (or about a week for CNY). It's not the best, bleeding edge tech, but you don't wait for it.

[necro_nemesis]

Which ASIC maker isn't asking for money up front?  No money no matter.

Bitmain.

And were people parading up and down the streets with pitchfork in hand prior to release of U and S 1's?

No. They followed the smart model and only sold "in hand" units. Still do, other than occasionally a couple days lead time (or about a week for CNY). It's not the best, bleeding edge tech, but you don't wait for it.

I get the sense that the ability to raise funds off pre-order are done. The track record of being on time to market hasn't been all that successful in a market where time truly is money.