FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest

[Kakmakr]

It is quite obvious that you are affiliate to Freebitco.in in some manner, because you have been camping on this thread for some time now. <Check his post history> So I was waiting for a response from you, well I expected it. ^lol^

I'm not an affiliate but I make no secret that I have made a reasonable amount of Bitcoin from using the site since it first started. Wetsuit used to answer any negativity in the threads back in those days, I just do that now because I don't like to see baseless accusations going unanswered.

You are obviously ignoring the fact that there are several smaller prizes being won every WEEK, other than the 1 or 2 BTC that are won as a first prize. <but it fits your agenda, so that is fine> Why would people report $20 winnings regularly, but they will not report once on the small winnings on the prizes that are won on the 6th to 10th level of the Lottery?

They are not being offered a $5 incentive to do so.

The Lottery can be profitably fair, I have not seen anyone disputing that, but I have seen people commenting on this thread that it is very strange that the winners User ID's are mostly newly created accounts, based on the numbering that are used.

If you go back a few months people were suggesting it was rigged because a some low numbered older accounts won a few times. It also seems quite logical that newer accounts have a higher probability of still being active.

My drivel is only a curiosity at this moment. Time will tell if this was true or not. ^smile^

Actually, the drivel was when you said "supposed to be provably fair". It is provably fair and that means YOU can prove it. You may have shied away from making a direct accusation that they are cheating but that is the exactly what your message conveys.

When the lottery was first introduced it wasn't a provably fair system and people rightly raised concerns in these threads. Wetsuit asked for suggestions as how to make a provably fair lottery and worked with people here to come up with an indisputable system where the Bitcoin blockchain picks the winners.
The crypto gambling industry is entirely reliant on reputation, I don't think it's cool to smear a site that has done so much to prove itself.

I am merely making an observation and I have done this before. I was also one of the people showing concern that one of my favourite faucets introduced a Lottery system that was not fair. Their comments back then was that they were waiting for other people to come up with suggestions for a provably fair solution. <Since then, something happened and they implemented the provably fair tool to verify the draw results> Objective reached! My favourite faucet, just improved their system and implemented a solution for that problem.

Since then, a lot of people have hinted that nobody is reporting any Lottery winnings, but people are reporting Free roll winnings. <As you pointed out, these people are incentivised by a additional $5 reward> The question is, why are incentives not implemented to reward people that are winning at the Lottery?

All criticism is not negative. I politely put it out there that the "Lottery" winners is still a bit suspect and that it should be looked at. There is no need to get all rallied up about this. When you observe something strange, you comment on that to improve the system. <carefully not to step on people's toes?>

I have been using this faucet for years <All aspects of it> and I would like it if all "grey" areas were cleared. ^smile^ 

[TheQuin]

All criticism is not negative. I politely put it out there that the "Lottery" winners is still a bit suspect and that it should be looked at. There is no need to get all rallied up about this. When you observe something strange, you comment on that to improve the system. <carefully not to step on people's toes?>

I have been using this faucet for years <All aspects of it> and I would like it if all "grey" areas were cleared. ^smile^ 

Anyone new to all this reading your initial post, or even this one, would get the impression that there is a reason to doubt the site's honesty. I feel that putting a robust response to that for them to read and counter the arguments is a good thing to do.

I really don't see a way to get winners to report here. The numbers of people, 10 a week, are just too small to get an adequate response. I think the $20/200 thread averages about one a day, I can't tell how many winners there actually are but I would bet that is a tiny fraction of them.

The lack of people posting here is meaningless when anyone who has any doubts can easily prove themselves that it is fair every Sunday by working out the winners' user IDs first and then seeing that they match those reported on the site.

[Juggy777]

All criticism is not negative. I politely put it out there that the "Lottery" winners is still a bit suspect and that it should be looked at. There is no need to get all rallied up about this. When you observe something strange, you comment on that to improve the system. <carefully not to step on people's toes?>

I have been using this faucet for years <All aspects of it> and I would like it if all "grey" areas were cleared. ^smile^ 

Anyone new to all this reading your initial post, or even this one, would get the impression that there is a reason to doubt the site's honesty. I feel that putting a robust response to that for them to read and counter the arguments is a good thing to do.

I really don't see a way to get winners to report here. The numbers of people, 10 a week, are just too small to get an adequate response. I think the $20/200 thread averages about one a day, I can't tell how many winners there actually are but I would bet that is a tiny fraction of them.

The lack of people posting here is meaningless when anyone who has any doubts can easily prove themselves that it is fair every Sunday by working out the winners' user IDs first and then seeing that they match those reported on the site.

If Trump can get elected and yet stay in office and is yet considered as a fit president then you're also free to have your doubts, but in both cases it's wrong to even be there in the first place.

I remember there was a time, where a majority of members demanded proof if someone actually won using lottery tickets or 9999, then members came forward and posted proof they did.

I have personally won 9999 number.

Trust is something that you earn, doubt is free, but freebitco.in has earned the trust and I don't feel now they need to clarify even one % of who wins and who doesn't.

[Kakmakr]

All criticism is not negative. I politely put it out there that the "Lottery" winners is still a bit suspect and that it should be looked at. There is no need to get all rallied up about this. When you observe something strange, you comment on that to improve the system. <carefully not to step on people's toes?>

I have been using this faucet for years <All aspects of it> and I would like it if all "grey" areas were cleared. ^smile^ 

Anyone new to all this reading your initial post, or even this one, would get the impression that there is a reason to doubt the site's honesty. I feel that putting a robust response to that for them to read and counter the arguments is a good thing to do.

I really don't see a way to get winners to report here. The numbers of people, 10 a week, are just too small to get an adequate response. I think the $20/200 thread averages about one a day, I can't tell how many winners there actually are but I would bet that is a tiny fraction of them.

The lack of people posting here is meaningless when anyone who has any doubts can easily prove themselves that it is fair every Sunday by working out the winners' user IDs first and then seeing that they match those reported on the site.

If Trump can get elected and yet stay in office and is yet considered as a fit president then you're also free to have your doubts, but in both cases it's wrong to even be there in the first place.

I remember there was a time, where a majority of members demanded proof if someone actually won using lottery tickets or 9999, then members came forward and posted proof they did.

I have personally won 9999 number.

Trust is something that you earn, doubt is free, but freebitco.in has earned the trust and I don't feel now they need to clarify even one % of who wins and who doesn't.

For most people using Freebitco.in, trust was based on the withdrawal of their accumulated Satoshi at the end of every week. Back in the day, there were a lot of scam faucets that were not paying people for the time they put in to solve those Capthas. Freebitco.in was not one of those sites and people trusted them because of that.

They also introduced a provably fair gambling feature, which built more trust and later they introduced the provably fair Lottery system. So I agree, based on it's history, Freebitco.in is perceived as a trustworthy website.

So the Freebitco.in story has evolved into something trustworthy, because people using this service actively requested validation for the features that are offered on this site. The site owner or owners obliged by adding validation features and everyone was happy.

Lately, this site has offered Banking services, where you receive interest on your deposit. <This is a huge risk, given that the owner or owners of the site is 100% anonymous>

So the whole "trust" relationship with this site is built on their track history of providing validation for features they added and acting in good faith. Given this background, I should think that they should not have any problem to add "reporting" mechanisms for the Lottery users and even incentives for these people doing that, to make things more transparent.

You might agree with me that reporting on a weekly Lottery of +/- 3 BTC in total is more important than a $20 giveaway. Why can this not be done? There are 10 prizes in total and some of these are valued at $20+ <Why would these people not report their small winnings on a public forum?>

Let's build some more trust to improve this site even more. ^smile^

[Thirdspace]

this lottery discussion reminds me of one winner who did post here
Lottery Round 103 Winner #7 https://i.imgur.com/PtNFGSz.jpg
he posted about it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1850855.msg19129881#msg19129881
he re-posted https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2518879.msg25749685#msg25749685

yes, there's lack of reports of lottery winners
but they have no obligation to post their winning lottery here whatsoever
and there's a big possibility most of those winners are abandoned, unused, inaccessible account anymore
only wetsuit can confirm this and disclose all related information that we all eager to know

[MinerHQ]

and there's a big possibility most of those winners are abandoned, unused, inaccessible account anymore

I don't think all those winners accounts are abandoned because if one wins with just few lottery tickets then we can believe it. But these winners got few hundred to thousand lotteries so those accounts should be active accounts but for some reason, they don't want to post the proofs.

[TheQuin]

but for some reason, they don't want to post the proofs.

I think that's just human nature, why should anyone spend time doing that rather than just enjoying the winnings. I'd really like to know what percentage of the $20/200 winners actually post even with a $5 incentive. I'd guess it is very small and with only 10 lottery winners a week I think the number that have already come forward is probably consistent with that.

[bit4money]

This fellow was the winner of last Sunday draw 02/11/18 he made up this video, some of you may don´t understand is language (portuguese) but he was the winner. Congrats. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVBcHl2BeQ&t=69s

[bitcoinl0ver1337]

This site was the very first bitcoin I 'earned'. Although I never reached the cash out limit it was still fun to pretend like I was making money haha. freebitco.in has been running for ages man glad to see it's still up and functional. If you don't mind me asking, how much does this site generate from advertisements?

[trilyuner]

This fellow was the winner of last Sunday draw 02/11/18 he made up this video, some of you may don´t understand is language (portuguese) but he was the winner. Congrats. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVBcHl2BeQ&t=69s

Congrats, and his bonus in multiply game is 0.19btc , maybe he is a high roller in freebitco

[Warfare]

This fellow was the winner of last Sunday draw 02/11/18 he made up this video, some of you may don´t understand is language (portuguese) but he was the winner. Congrats.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVBcHl2BeQ&t=69s

Congrats, and his bonus in multiply game is 0.19btc , maybe he is a high roller in freebitco

Yeah, he seems to be a high roller.
Apart from the tickets from the multiply game, he also had lots of reward points which he exchanged for BTC and bought more tickets.
He won 1.47418431 BTC with 1,773,525 tickets, congrats to him.

[Dav7]

This fellow was the winner of last Sunday draw 02/11/18 he made up this video, some of you may don´t understand is language (portuguese) but he was the winner. Congrats. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVBcHl2BeQ&t=69s

Great to see this proofs!

From is speech looks like he has lots of referrals, he earn tickets for free from referral ROLL's

[Kakmakr]

This fellow was the winner of last Sunday draw 02/11/18 he made up this video, some of you may don´t understand is language (portuguese) but he was the winner. Congrats. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVBcHl2BeQ&t=69s

We need a lot more of these type of videos, what a great adverticement for Freebitco.in. ^smile^

#TheQuin, if we get guys like this raving about their winnings, then we will get more people to use the Lottery, so this is beneficial for everyone. Instead of having a 1 BTC Lottery, we might get a 10 BTC winning prize. <The higher the winnings, the more people will come>

I just want to see more transparency, is that too much to ask? Let's hope some incentive will be built into the Lottery winnings for people to report that too. <Possibly a thread just for that, not mixed in the Freeroll winnings thread?>

[BTCevo]

This fellow was the winner of last Sunday draw 02/11/18 he made up this video, some of you may don´t understand is language (portuguese) but he was the winner. Congrats.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVBcHl2BeQ&t=69s

Congrats, and his bonus in multiply game is 0.19btc , maybe he is a high roller in freebitco

Yeah, he seems to be a high roller.
Apart from the tickets from the multiply game, he also had lots of reward points which he exchanged for BTC and bought more tickets.
He won 1.47418431 BTC with 1,773,525 tickets, congrats to him.

At last someone winning again from lottery system, higher rollers seems to have more tickets to put on your lottery instead of keep on gambling it is better to buy directly the tickets with the better chance of winning

Btw, I have problem with my account, may be you could reset my 2FA because last time I reset it and I got email said that to wait for 1 weeks before it can be reset but until this day, I get nothing and my account got locked

[TheQuin]

#TheQuin, if we get guys like this raving about their winnings, then we will get more people to use the Lottery, so this is beneficial for everyone. Instead of having a 1 BTC Lottery, we might get a 10 BTC winning prize. <The higher the winnings, the more people will come>

Sure but it's human nature as I said before. This guy has masses of referrals and knows making this video is in his own interest to get more. I just don't see a way to motivate the masses to come forward rather than just enjoy their winnings.

I just want to see more transparency, is that too much to ask? Let's hope some incentive will be built into the Lottery winnings for people to report that too. <Possibly a thread just for that, not mixed in the Freeroll winnings thread?>

Also as I said before I think the numbers of winners are just too low to get an adequate response. Probably a very small fraction of the winners are willing to come forward and with only 10 eligible a week you might get 1 or 2 a year.

As for transparency, that's what provably fair is, what you're are asking for is publicity.

[Kakmakr]

#TheQuin, if we get guys like this raving about their winnings, then we will get more people to use the Lottery, so this is beneficial for everyone. Instead of having a 1 BTC Lottery, we might get a 10 BTC winning prize. <The higher the winnings, the more people will come>

Sure but it's human nature as I said before. This guy has masses of referrals and knows making this video is in his own interest to get more. I just don't see a way to motivate the masses to come forward rather than just enjoy their winnings.

I just want to see more transparency, is that too much to ask? Let's hope some incentive will be built into the Lottery winnings for people to report that too. <Possibly a thread just for that, not mixed in the Freeroll winnings thread?>

Also as I said before I think the numbers of winners are just too low to get an adequate response. Probably a very small fraction of the winners are willing to come forward and with only 10 eligible a week you might get 1 or 2 a year.

As for transparency, that's what provably fair is, what you're are asking for is publicity.

We will never see eye to eye on this, but we are close. 

The objective is to kill two flies with one stone. You increase transparency for the Lottery and you get more people to use it. Most people do not trust Lottery systems and when we can establish that trust with proof, more people will join and more of the current users will use the Lottery. <with their own money>

I still believe lots of users are only using money received from Freerolls or refferal income to play the Lottery, because they do not trust the Lottery. Once you remove that barrier, more people will use their own money to play the Lottery. <I will most surely do that>

Hope you see my end goal. ^smile^

[LTU_btc]

Hilarious . So far I didn't saw anyone who won $150 from Freedoge.co.in. I've been so close

[MinerHQ]

Hilarious . So far I didn't saw anyone who won $150 from Freedoge.co.in. I've been so close

People might have own but they didn't post it in public. Because many times I got the second price but never post in this thread and similarly who wins that maximum price also may not post these proofs but that doesn't mean that no one wins this price.

[lite]

This fellow was the winner of last Sunday draw 02/11/18 he made up this video, some of you may don´t understand is language (portuguese) but he was the winner. Congrats. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVBcHl2BeQ&t=69s

Great to see this proofs!

From is speech looks like he has lots of referrals, he earn tickets for free from referral ROLL's

Yeah he probably does have many referral and might get more from his video.. referrals are great way to get free tickets.

https://i.imgur.com/Osp1Hj7.png
Hilarious . So far I didn't saw anyone who won $150 from Freedoge.co.in. I've been so close

There's a video on youtube(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BsSgIHcqaE), but it's a fake/edited i guess.

[LTU_btc]

Hilarious . So far I didn't saw anyone who won $150 from Freedoge.co.in. I've been so close

People might have own but they didn't post it in public. Because many times I got the second price but never post in this thread and similarly who wins that maximum price also may not post these proofs but that doesn't mean that no one wins this price.

It's likely that there was several users who won biggest prize. And I'm not surprised that nobody posted proof of their winning so far. Freebitco.in have more than 12 million registered users and we only saw several users posted about win of $200. While Freedoge.co.in have only 2 million registered users, it means that there are much less people who won biggest prize here. Automatically, it means much smaller chance that someone will post about that prize.

There's a video on youtube(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4BsSgIHcqaE), but it's a fake/edited i guess.

Yeah, mostly of such videos are fake and made only to attract some referrals.