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March 04, 2014, 09:40:58 PM
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Do not exist pool's of NXT Network

There is a difference:

  • Pool:
    * No risk (no inversion).
    * Requires participation by the user.
    * It's a job.
    * Users are members.
  • Forges / Blacksmith:
    * Risk (with inversion).
    * No participation is required by the investor.
    * It is a bank of long-term investment.
    * Users are investors.

So really, do not exist pool's of NXT network. Are forges or blacksmith, but no pool.

Therefore, NXTio is not a pool! So, i never call it pool.

I'm over 4 months in NXT, and still there are people who keeps calling "pool" to "forges".

Regards!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26E0lFUP4qw#start=0:00;end=8:46;cycles=-1;autoreplay=false;showoptions=false

NXT mentioned briefly - AGAIN, at about 6:00...

I wish there was a heavy-duty-pro-fulltime-spokesperson that would represent NXT the way that Hoskinson does, or Larimer, etc...

I would like to hear a 1hour LTB show, dedicated to NXT, with Adam B Levine (he's the best interviewer IMO), with his know-how and great questions...

I'm looking forward to hearing Anon, but I think everybody would like to see even more firepower in this regard.

We need REAL people behind Nxt. Faces, associated with Nxt. Like the Etherium guys have. Otherwise we are fucked and all the smart "to da moon" people will be disappointed, because there won´t be real buying volume behind Nxt.

Exactly, I feel the same.
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March 04, 2014, 09:46:38 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26E0lFUP4qw#start=0:00;end=8:46;cycles=-1;autoreplay=false;showoptions=false

NXT mentioned briefly - AGAIN, at about 6:00...

I wish there was a heavy-duty-pro-fulltime-spokesperson that would represent NXT the way that Hoskinson does, or Larimer, etc...

I would like to hear a 1hour LTB show, dedicated to NXT, with Adam B Levine (he's the best interviewer IMO), with his know-how and great questions...

I'm looking forward to hearing Anon, but I think everybody would like to see even more firepower in this regard.


When the AE is officially launched, we should definitely get a spot!
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Offspring v0.3.1e released

Downloads available for Windows, MacOS and Linux.

https://bitbucket.org/incentivetoken/offspring-public/downloads

See wiki for changelog.

https://bitbucket.org/incentivetoken/offspring-public/wiki/Home

[4-3-2014] version 0.3.1e:
  • Offspring now uses NXT from source instead of precompiled versions
  • Compiled against NXT 0.8.5
  • Offspring version and NXT version shown in title bar
  • At startup user can select to start main or test network, if you choose test network you will use a separate wallet
  • First bare-bones implementation list of assets in Trader section (only available on test network)
  • First bare-bones implementation list of trades in Trader section (only available on test network)
  • You can now add *read-only* accounts, enter any account number and it will show up in the accounts section

[3-3-2014] version 0.3e:
  • Offspring now uses the NXT Java API
  • NXT 0.8.3
  • Added easy discovery/registration/update for aliases
  • Temporarily disabled recent blocks viewer
  • Added Trader section (not yet enabled)
  • Numerous changes to UI in the dialogs because responses from NXT are instant now
  • Database and wallet are now in the users home folder
  • Database can be cleared from menu, new blockchain will be downloaded
  • Total uploaded/downloaded visible in the statusbar
  • Height of latest block in your blockchain is shown in the statusbar
  • Last block timestamp and number of seconds ago are visible in the statusbar
  • A progressbar displays how much of the blockchain you have downloaded and how much more to go
  • Each account is forging by default, you can turn forging on and off and your generation time is shown
  • Early version of messaging implemented. You can enter an account number and a text and it will send the text to that account number. Messages are not encrypted! Everyone can read what you send (like twitter).

Offspring is created by DGEX http://dgex.com

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March 04, 2014, 09:52:04 PM
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ATTENTION!

The following roles have to be filled in order to speed up the AE development (Atomic Crosschain / AE Gateway) of James!

JAVA Developer
- with knowledge about Bitcoin protocol (or a really fast learner)

Tester / Power User (up to 3 people)
- we need at least one full time Tester / Power User (but part time would be also ok)
- with some technical knowledge preferably
- experience in writing testcases would be great


I think I don´t have to explain why this feature is needed and what it would do with the price of Nxt... Smiley

Any volunteers in the community?

Please let me know about your thoughts!


antanst already offered his help. Thank you very much, really appreciated! But we still need developers and more power users / testers!
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March 04, 2014, 10:06:37 PM
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I appreciate you taking the time to write me. Can you tell me if you would consider using global warming / climate change as a selling point when promoting Nxt? Feel free to post publicly in the thread if you want more people to see it, but if you do so, I'd appreciate if you PMd me a link to your response so I don't miss it.

Thank you.

Hi IveBeenBit

 Thanks for the reply.

 We have witnessed lots of fighting and arguing in the thread, and in real life, over global warming. I personally believe that the Earth is being overburdened through man made actions and that we as humans need to pay attention to this.

 The marketing committee's role is to foster, fund, and promote NXT and NXT related endeavours, on behalf of the community. I am for green marketing, but only in the case that the marketing is solid. I will not support any wasteful marketing plans, no matter the truth of the talking points.

 In a similar way I support children's charities, but do I think they are the way to support NXT? NO!

 I think supporting NXT in its complete roles with Automated Exchange and Transparent Forging is the greenest action we could possibly take. When NXT can trade all other coins, we will already be saving so much energy.

 When the crypto community sees that the mining arms race is foolish, and NXT with its Advanced features is the truly valuable platform, the ASICs and Server Farms will not be needed.
 That is the real goal of green marketing, stopping the wasteful actions behind Mining, not promoting NXT.

 I am going to post this word for word in the main thread, if you have any questions please feel free to contact me

 Jef

I'm someone that's done quite a few interviews for different cryptos:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=479167.msg5417724#msg5417724


I disagree with you 100% concerning Songs of Love charity push. Anytime we face the 'so what can you actually do with Nxt' question, we now have a response that people outside the hardcore nerd crypto scene can relate. Nxt as an eco-system has the power to transform real world issues. If I look at the long-term ROI, I'm happy with the initiative. Once the Songs of Love LA event is over, we'll be able to take some of that footage and use it in marketing.  There's long-term positive effects from that small marketing initiative which was funded entirely by private donations, nothing came directly from the marketing department.  I respect the difference of opinion, I just see the drive well worth the time I put into organizing the endeavor. It's one of main strategies to help develop the brand while also helping those that can't help themselves.

I want your vote for marketing committee.

I was asked by Sunny King of Peercoin to assist their community in building a presence. I came in to a relatively quiet community and helped get it moving again with the help of some amazing community members.  I have the experience, I'd love to continue to drive those results for Nxt.
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March 04, 2014, 10:08:29 PM
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...

update: pimped the run.bat a little, might be useful for windows users with version 0.8.x

Code:
@echo off
title "NXT NRS Windows Starter"

rem maybe adjust command arguments here
set ARGUMENTS=-cp nxt.jar;lib\*;conf nxt.Nxt

set WINDOWNAME="NXT NRS"

if exist java (
set JAVAEXE="java"
goto run
)
if exist "%PROGRAMFILES%\Java\jre7" (
set JAVAEXE="%PROGRAMFILES%\Java\jre7\bin\java.exe"
goto run
)
if exist "%PROGRAMFILES(X86)%\Java\jre7" (
set JAVAEXE="%PROGRAMFILES(X86)%\Java\jre7\bin\java.exe"
goto run
)

rem no java found
ECHO ------------- Java not installed -----------------
ECHO Java software not found on your system. Please go
ECHO to http://java.com to download and install a copy.
ECHO --------------------------------------------------
PAUSE
goto end

:run
start %WINDOWNAME% %JAVAEXE% %ARGUMENTS%

:end
exit
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March 04, 2014, 10:08:44 PM
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Attention:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/critical-crypto-bug-leaves-linux-hundreds-of-apps-open-to-eavesdropping/
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March 04, 2014, 10:12:43 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26E0lFUP4qw#start=0:00;end=8:46;cycles=-1;autoreplay=false;showoptions=false

NXT mentioned briefly - AGAIN, at about 6:00...

I wish there was a heavy-duty-pro-fulltime-spokesperson that would represent NXT the way that Hoskinson does, or Larimer, etc...

I would like to hear a 1hour LTB show, dedicated to NXT, with Adam B Levine (he's the best interviewer IMO), with his know-how and great questions...

I'm looking forward to hearing Anon, but I think everybody would like to see even more firepower in this regard.

We need REAL people behind Nxt. Faces, associated with Nxt. Like the Etherium guys have. Otherwise we are fucked and all the smart "to da moon" people will be disappointed, because there won´t be real buying volume behind Nxt.

Yes, we need real people for Nxt. But we already have some, so it is not all shit right now. Of course it would be heaven one earth to have JL or CfB as interviewees, but we have to be realistic.

I would like to have a list of all possible candidates for conference attendees, interviewees, speakers. Who's gonna help me?

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March 04, 2014, 10:16:12 PM
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...

update: pimped the run.bat a little, might be useful for windows users with version 0.8.x

Code:
@echo off
title "NXT NRS Windows Starter"

rem maybe adjust command arguments here
set ARGUMENTS=-cp nxt.jar;lib\*;conf nxt.Nxt

set WINDOWNAME="NXT NRS"

if exist java (
set JAVAEXE="java"
goto run
)
if exist "%PROGRAMFILES%\Java\jre7" (
set JAVAEXE="%PROGRAMFILES%\Java\jre7\bin\java.exe"
goto run
)
if exist "%PROGRAMFILES(X86)%\Java\jre7" (
set JAVAEXE="%PROGRAMFILES(X86)%\Java\jre7\bin\java.exe"
goto run
)

rem no java found
ECHO ------------- Java not installed -----------------
ECHO Java software not found on your system. Please go
ECHO to http://java.com to download and install a copy.
ECHO --------------------------------------------------
PAUSE
goto end

:run
start %WINDOWNAME% %JAVAEXE% %ARGUMENTS%

:end
exit


Could you provide the wiki with that code?
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March 04, 2014, 10:19:45 PM
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wtf, bettek post ^^^^!

hey now there is asic for scrypt coin! http://cryptomining-blog.com/tag/gridseed-asic/

hurray for first 100% POS nxt. That help us for sure. This info could to be add in the nxt related marketing article.

Nxt official forum at: https://nxtforum.org/
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I could do that:

ATTENTION!

The following roles have to be filled in order to speed up the AE development (Atomic Crosschain / AE Gateway) of James!

JAVA Developer
- with knowledge about Bitcoin protocol (or a really fast learner)


But have limited time. So I could maybe help a bit, PM me if interested, I'll give you my profile/experience.
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I could do that:

ATTENTION!

The following roles have to be filled in order to speed up the AE development (Atomic Crosschain / AE Gateway) of James!

JAVA Developer
- with knowledge about Bitcoin protocol (or a really fast learner)


But have limited time. So I could maybe help a bit, PM me if interested, I'll give you my profile/experience.

Thank you! Sent you a pm!
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 The marketing committee's role is to foster, fund, and promote NXT and NXT related endeavours, on behalf of the community. I am for green marketing, but only in the case that the marketing is solid. I will not support any wasteful marketing plans, no matter the truth of the talking points.

This is a given, but how would you decide that?
In the "real world" (at least in America and Europe) the majority of people accept that global warming is taking place, yet for some inexplicable reason: the opposite is true in the NXT community.
I am perhaps the only one who has dared to voice this, which undoubtably has cost me 50%+ of my votes for commitee, but I think it's a important topic from a marketing POV.

Seeing as we know most people accept global warming, but our community somehow doesn't, how would you balance that out in such a situation?

I've been intouch with several guys in the field and their interest was piqued by this, I've also contacted authors who have already done stories on Bitcoins detrimental effects on the environment, for them a follow up article would be great, but they first needed the math. I got hughman and secondleo over at nextcoin to work on this and they now have a "report" that I have started sharing with people, eagerly awaiting their replies.

Headlines like "Bitcoin is a contributer to global warming, but there's a alternative" is a lot more clickable than "Here's a cryptocurrency that use less electricity...yay"
Say some big tech magazines wanted to do an article about NXT vs Bitcoin in terms of global warming (very real possiblity in the near future) tomorrow, should we just decline then because our community decided that global warming is a conspiracy?


I applaud your post for trying to be as neutral as possible, but to me it comes off like you are trying too hard to not step on any toes, which could lead you to lose votes to become a committee member. I want the committee to consist of people with balls who dare to go against the grain when it's needed.


Regarding children charities: I have touched on this slightly before, I agree that it's not my first choice for marketing purposes, but your outright dismissal "hell no" seems premature.
Justabit has done a great job in providing a proof of concept, we should not make hasty decisions until we can see some of the effects of this. ALSO: there are several ways you can donate to charities for children that could indeed be very good marketing oppourtunities, so dismissing it out of hand is wrong.

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 The marketing committee's role is to foster, fund, and promote NXT and NXT related endeavours, on behalf of the community. I am for green marketing, but only in the case that the marketing is solid. I will not support any wasteful marketing plans, no matter the truth of the talking points.

This is a given, but how would you decide that?
In the "real world" (at least in America and Europe) the majority of people accept that global warming is taking place, yet for some inexplicable reason: the opposite is true in the NXT community.
I am perhaps the only one who has dared to voice this, which undoubtably has cost me 50%+ of my votes for commitee, but I think it's a important topic from a marketing POV.

Seeing as we know most people accept global warming, but our community somehow doesn't, how would you balance that out in such a situation?

I've been intouch with several guys in the field and their interest was piqued by this, I've also contacted authors who have already done stories on Bitcoins detrimental effects on the environment, for them a follow up article would be great, but they first needed the math. I got hughman and secondleo over at nextcoin to work on this and they now have a "report" that I have started sharing with people, eagerly awaiting their replies.

Headlines like "Bitcoin is a contributer to global warming, but there's a alternative" is a lot more clickable than "Here's a cryptocurrency that use less electricity...yay"
Say some big tech magazines wanted to do an article about NXT vs Bitcoin in terms of global warming (very real possiblity in the near future) tomorrow, should we just decline then because our community decided that global warming is a conspiracy?


I applaud your post for trying to be as neutral as possible, but to me it comes off like you are trying too hard to not step on any toes, which could lead you to lose votes to become a committee member. I want the committee to consist of people with balls who dare to go against the grain when it's needed.


Regarding children charities: I have touched on this slightly before, I agree that it's not my first choice for marketing purposes, but your outright dismissal "hell no" seems premature.
Justabit has done a great job in providing a proof of concept, we should not make hasty decisions until we can see some of the effects of this. ALSO: there are several ways you can donate to charities for children that could indeed be very good marketing oppourtunities, so dismissing it out of hand is wrong.

I could not agree more with you.

I think diversity is the key success factor.
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 The marketing committee's role is to foster, fund, and promote NXT and NXT related endeavours, on behalf of the community. I am for green marketing, but only in the case that the marketing is solid. I will not support any wasteful marketing plans, no matter the truth of the talking points.

This is a given, but how would you decide that?
In the "real world" (at least in America and Europe) the majority of people accept that global warming is taking place, yet for some inexplicable reason: the opposite is true in the NXT community.
I am perhaps the only one who has dared to voice this, which undoubtably has cost me 50%+ of my votes for commitee, but I think it's a important topic from a marketing POV.

Seeing as we know most people accept global warming, but our community somehow doesn't, how would you balance that out in such a situation?

I've been intouch with several guys in the field and their interest was piqued by this, I've also contacted authors who have already done stories on Bitcoins detrimental effects on the environment, for them a follow up article would be great, but they first needed the math. I got hughman and secondleo over at nextcoin to work on this and they now have a "report" that I have started sharing with people, eagerly awaiting their replies.

Headlines like "Bitcoin is a contributer to global warming, but there's a alternative" is a lot more clickable than "Here's a cryptocurrency that use less electricity...yay"
Say some big tech magazines wanted to do an article about NXT vs Bitcoin in terms of global warming (very real possiblity in the near future) tomorrow, should we just decline then because our community decided that global warming is a conspiracy?


I applaud your post for trying to be as neutral as possible, but to me it comes off like you are trying too hard to not step on any toes, which could lead you to lose votes to become a committee member. I want the committee to consist of people with balls who dare to go against the grain when it's needed.


Regarding children charities: I have touched on this slightly before, I agree that it's not my first choice for marketing purposes, but your outright dismissal "hell no" seems premature.
Justabit has done a great job in providing a proof of concept, we should not make hasty decisions until we can see some of the effects of this. ALSO: there are several ways you can donate to charities for children that could indeed be very good marketing oppourtunities, so dismissing it out of hand is wrong.



 I would plan on taking the marketing plan for its face value, not its "cause"

 If someone had an idea to get us on green peace's mailing list I would support it, if someone had a new and interesting way to make an impact with a charity I would support it.

 But at this time NXT is still in Alpha Geek testing phase. We need to extend and exploit our features and build up the eco-system that is NXT.
 What good is putting our name on a poster for 100 people who don't even know what Bitcoin is, much less how to update java, and run a .bat file?
 It might be of interest to environmentally aware people that we are "green" but I don't think there are many people running Jalapenos and racks of ASICS, wringing their hands saying "oh no, I wish I could do this without harming the earth"

 I am not trying to make evasive comments, If I was, I would not have posted my comments in the main thread.

 We all know these subjects are sensitive in this thread, and I am not interested in taking a side on either one when it comes to marketing.

 Personally, I KNOW global warming exists, and I am the father of an almost 3 year old.

 At my restaurant, we have a regular family that has a 10 month child with a rare leukemia and last fall we raised and donated almost $8000 in one month from proceeds of our pizza sales.

 Check it out here. http://loveforleni.com/ Search for Speedy Romeo. 
If anyone wants to send me some NXT, I will gladly turn that into USD and give it to the family directly.

 But I still don't think this would help NXT grow.

 And in the end, thats what the marketing position is all about. Separating my beliefs and getting the job done.

 
 
 
 

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 But at this time NXT is still in Alpha Geek testing phase. We need to extend and exploit our features and build up the eco-system that is NXT.
 What good is putting our name on a poster for 100 people who don't even know what Bitcoin is, much less how to update java, and run a .bat file?
 It might be of interest to environmentally aware people that we are "green" but I don't think there are many people running Jalapenos and racks of ASICS, wringing their hands saying "oh no, I wish I could do this without harming the earth"


But this is the entire point of the marketing fund: to get NXT out there to the public. Nearly every person who is interested in cryptos is aware of NXTs existence. We don't need to advertise to them as much as to new commers.
Wesleys userfriendly client already takes care of the problems you are concerned about, plus there are more clients coming out soon.. So I don't consider this a issue anymore.
In my opinion NXT now has to branch out from this tiny little nichè market and into the real world if we want to continue growth.


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At my restaurant, we have a regular family that has a 10 month child with a rare leukemia and last fall we raised and donated almost $8000 in one month from proceeds of our pizza sales.

 Check it out here. http://loveforleni.com/ Search for Speedy Romeo. 
If anyone wants to send me some NXT, I will gladly turn that into USD and give it to the family directly.

I don't think anyone is crazy enough to think that just because you don't think children charities is effective, that it somehow means you don't care for children.
What I am saying is that children charities or "This donator made this dying kids last wish come true" etc. stories make headlines so it can indeed be perfect marketing.
It also opens the door for other charities that will notice our charitable work, which again will accumulate more headlines and more interest in NXT.
I don't think one should ever dismiss a whole category out of hand, because oppourtunities exist everywhere.

 
 
 
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March 04, 2014, 11:21:26 PM
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 The marketing committee's role is to foster, fund, and promote NXT and NXT related endeavours, on behalf of the community. I am for green marketing, but only in the case that the marketing is solid. I will not support any wasteful marketing plans, no matter the truth of the talking points.

This is a given, but how would you decide that?
In the "real world" (at least in America and Europe) the majority of people accept that global warming is taking place, yet for some inexplicable reason: the opposite is true in the NXT community.
I am perhaps the only one who has dared to voice this, which undoubtably has cost me 50%+ of my votes for commitee, but I think it's a important topic from a marketing POV.

Seeing as we know most people accept global warming, but our community somehow doesn't, how would you balance that out in such a situation?

I've been intouch with several guys in the field and their interest was piqued by this, I've also contacted authors who have already done stories on Bitcoins detrimental effects on the environment, for them a follow up article would be great, but they first needed the math. I got hughman and secondleo over at nextcoin to work on this and they now have a "report" that I have started sharing with people, eagerly awaiting their replies.

Headlines like "Bitcoin is a contributer to global warming, but there's a alternative" is a lot more clickable than "Here's a cryptocurrency that use less electricity...yay"
Say some big tech magazines wanted to do an article about NXT vs Bitcoin in terms of global warming (very real possiblity in the near future) tomorrow, should we just decline then because our community decided that global warming is a conspiracy?


I applaud your post for trying to be as neutral as possible, but to me it comes off like you are trying too hard to not step on any toes, which could lead you to lose votes to become a committee member. I want the committee to consist of people with balls who dare to go against the grain when it's needed.


Regarding children charities: I have touched on this slightly before, I agree that it's not my first choice for marketing purposes, but your outright dismissal "hell no" seems premature.
Justabit has done a great job in providing a proof of concept, we should not make hasty decisions until we can see some of the effects of this. ALSO: there are several ways you can donate to charities for children that could indeed be very good marketing oppourtunities, so dismissing it out of hand is wrong.



 I would plan on taking the marketing plan for its face value, not its "cause"

 If someone had an idea to get us on green peace's mailing list I would support it, if someone had a new and interesting way to make an impact with a charity I would support it.

 But at this time NXT is still in Alpha Geek testing phase. We need to extend and exploit our features and build up the eco-system that is NXT.
 What good is putting our name on a poster for 100 people who don't even know what Bitcoin is, much less how to update java, and run a .bat file?
 It might be of interest to environmentally aware people that we are "green" but I don't think there are many people running Jalapenos and racks of ASICS, wringing their hands saying "oh no, I wish I could do this without harming the earth"

 I am not trying to make evasive comments, If I was, I would not have posted my comments in the main thread.

 We all know these subjects are sensitive in this thread, and I am not interested in taking a side on either one when it comes to marketing.

 Personally, I KNOW global warming exists, and I am the father of an almost 3 year old.

 At my restaurant, we have a regular family that has a 10 month child with a rare leukemia and last fall we raised and donated almost $8000 in one month from proceeds of our pizza sales.

 Check it out here. http://loveforleni.com/ Search for Speedy Romeo.  
If anyone wants to send me some NXT, I will gladly turn that into USD and give it to the family directly.

 But I still don't think this would help NXT grow.

 And in the end, thats what the marketing position is all about. Separating my beliefs and getting the job done.

 
 
 
 

Glad to hear your point of view on this. I too was a little concerned that you might be against charity promotions, which I think can be effective; but I agree 100% that at this stage of the game they have somewhat limited value. I also think the reddit community should be courted, especially DOGECOINERS but I agree that this should not be a focus for the available funds. Users like me will voluntarily reach out to these people though r/NXT etc.

However, I didn't realize that the "Songs of Love" deal was 100% donation funded ( I was a donator but thought something also came from the til) so in that regard I think that endeavor was worthwhile.

Everyone here is cool. Let's not let politics create any hard feelings.

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wtf, bettek post ^^^^!

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wtf, bettek post ^^^^!

I reported his post as "Off-topic post". Interesting, will a moderator remove it... Grin

I reported it as "fake picture" as black guys usually have bigger dicks than on the picture, so it must be photoshopped.

btw: the guy looks like lewis hamilton, haha
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