[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[Jestah]

This is my most favorite slide of the Dash presentation:

Nice! Had to get that one out there...

https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/690765986631434240?s=09

I'm not so sure I want user accounts.  :/

[TanteStefana2]

This is my most favorite slide of the Dash presentation:

Nice! Had to get that one out there...

https://twitter.com/TaoOfSatoshi/status/690765986631434240?s=09

I'm not so sure I want user accounts.  :/

I had the same gut reaction, but Evan said nothing would be published (for anyone else to see) unless you choose to do so (which you might if you're a merchant).  Otherwise, you can keep all your information encrypted, which is simply a user name, password and email address (the most identifiable item)  I understand that any time the network contacts you through email, the email provider will be able to tell you have a Dash account, and to me that's a problem. 

So I know they understand this and are figuring out the details still, but for now, to avoid sybil attacks, they need emails.  I think there are privacy oriented email accounts where the servers don't store anything, but I don't know exactly how they work or who does it :/

[flailing Junk]

You guys are talking about user accounts like they will be mandatory. Is there any reason to believe they will be?

[Jestah]

You guys are talking about user accounts like they will be mandatory. Is there any reason to believe they will be?

Yeah, the Evolution demo ED gave earlier today.

[TanteStefana2]

Masternodes are down, looks like some people are looking for quick profits.  The only thing I can say is from experience, if you want them back, you may end up paying more for them!  Good luck

[TanteStefana2]

You guys are talking about user accounts like they will be mandatory. Is there any reason to believe they will be?

Yeah, the Evolution demo ED gave earlier today.

Well, it's live on mainnet right now, and there is a dual system going, so maybe it will never be mandatory?

[flailing Junk]

Yeah, the Evolution demo ED gave earlier today.

I watched it and I don't remember anything about it being mandatory. The user accounts are trading addresses in order to send transactions. Why couldn't you just send to an address without using an account?

[Jestah]

Yeah, the Evolution demo ED gave earlier today.

I watched it and I don't remember anything about it being mandatory. The user accounts are trading addresses in order to send transactions. Why couldn't you just send to an address without using an account?

Honestly, I don't know.  I saw a demo vid and that's what I got out of it.

[BrainShutdown]

My understanding is that Evolution is in the 3rd tier so the 1st and 2nd ones will provide the same functionality they provide today.
Evolution is optional as in Paypal is optional.

[Jestah]

My understanding is that Evolution is in the 3rd tier so the 1st and 2nd ones will provide the same functionality they provide today.
Evolution is optional as in Paypal is optional.

That would be epic.  Where can I read that officially?

[TanteStefana2]

My understanding is that Evolution is in the 3rd tier so the 1st and 2nd ones will provide the same functionality they provide today.
Evolution is optional as in Paypal is optional.

I suspect, though, that all light wallets in the future will be based on the 3rd tier, and that if you want to work directly with the blockchain, you'll need to have a full client, with a full blockchain.  It's going to become a pain in the butt.  On the other hand, when I opened electrum, it did allow me to choose where to connect, or else use auto connect, so I suppose once all masternodes are running on this thing, that we could choose our own masternodes to connect to so that we know we're not being spied on, but that's only good for MN holders.

[eduffield]

Yeah, the Evolution demo ED gave earlier today.

I watched it and I don't remember anything about it being mandatory. The user accounts are trading addresses in order to send transactions. Why couldn't you just send to an address without using an account?

The whole third tier is designed around having some sort of pseudonym on the network, so yes to use Evolution it would be mandatory. However, nothing is really finalized at this point. I'm still really early in the process of designing the system. Was there some problem with have a permanent pseudonym? If it were mandatory, that would mean you couldn't use evolution without an account on the network, but it doesn't mean anything you do on the network with that account would be identifiable. It's just a means of connecting people who want to be connected basically.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Remote Dash n' Drink Purchase using Dash's InstantX:

http://youtu.be/kO7CEq80ASs

This video with Solarminer and myself is already up to 2,006 views. If you guys know of anywhere else we could post it, it seems to be striking a chord with people.

[eduffield]

My understanding is that Evolution is in the 3rd tier so the 1st and 2nd ones will provide the same functionality they provide today.
Evolution is optional as in Paypal is optional.

That would be epic.  Where can I read that officially?

Yes, this is correct.

[110110101]

Remote Dash n' Drink Purchase using Dash's InstantX:

http://youtu.be/kO7CEq80ASs

What a great promotional piece ToS, Love it!

[r4vani]

This is my most favorite slide of the Dash presentation:

The most beautiful compare 

[iCEBREAKER]

This is my most favorite slide of the Dash presentation:

The most beautiful compare 

That slide is a lie.  Mobile Bitcoin wallets don't all necessarily rely on "a centralized gateway."

EG, I can tell my phone's SPV client to use a full node I run myself.

It's rather telling that Evan The Instaminer needs to lie about how bad/terrible/no good Bitcoin is, just to make Dash seem better in comparison.

[wackyD]

Yeah, the Evolution demo ED gave earlier today.

I watched it and I don't remember anything about it being mandatory. The user accounts are trading addresses in order to send transactions. Why couldn't you just send to an address without using an account?

The whole third tier is designed around having some sort of pseudonym on the network, so yes to use Evolution it would be mandatory. However, nothing is really finalized at this point. I'm still really early in the process of designing the system. Was there some problem with have a permanent pseudonym? If it were mandatory, that would mean you couldn't use evolution without an account on the network, but it doesn't mean anything you do on the network with that account would be identifiable. It's just a means of connecting people who want to be connected basically.

Yeah, Evan, could we just make the whole social networking thing optional? Some of us would prefer using Dash only as a currency for what it inherently is.. Btw thank you for all of this and your ongoing commitment.

[Honest Tim]

So I know they understand this and are figuring out the details still, but for now, to avoid sybil attacks, they need emails.  I think there are privacy oriented email accounts where the servers don't store anything, but I don't know exactly how they work or who does it :/

What if we had our very own email service distributed across the MN network??
What if as well as providing a standard 2FA via said email, we utilised an extra level of encrypted authentication to run alongside it? Overkill maybe.

[iCEBREAKER]

dashevolution.com...

*clicky*

We will be writing the software for this project in stages, the first stage will take about 2 months to have a very early prototype for Dash Evolution that includes a basic implementation of DashDrive, Primitives, DAPI and a simple T3 wallet. In six to eight months, we should be entering testnet phase with most basic functionality. In 12-18 months, we plan for the first release version (a stable prototype).

Included below is our current work on Evolution, that adds many components such as:

    DashDrive – A decentralized shared file system that lives on the second tier network
    DAPI – A decentralized API which allows third tier users to access the network securely
    DashPay Decentralized Wallets – These wallets are light clients connected to the network via DAPI and run on various platforms
    Second Tier – The masternode network, which provides compensated infrastructure for the project
    Budgets – The second tier is given voting power to allocate funds for specific projects on the network via the budget system
    Governance – The second tier is given voting power to govern the currency and chart the course the currency takes
    Quorum Chain – This feature introduces a permanent stable masternode list, which can be used to calculate past and present quorums
    Social Wallet – We introduce a social wallet, which allows friends lists, grouping of users and shared multisig accounts.
    DSQL – A query language for administering the network via majority quorums (banning users, setting important network variables such as sporks on/off, etc)

Evolution is nothing but a roadmap?

It was sold to us as some crazy revolutionary new game-changing feature.

And it turns out to actually be nothing more than a giant stack of vaporware.

Why not first finish working on Masternode blinding, and reducing the hours-to-days coin mixing time down to something reasonable (and competitive), instead of doing crap like DashDrive?

There are a dozen other "decentralized shared file system" projects out there, like Storj and Sia and Maidsafe.

Why would Dash be making yet another me-too one of those, instead of fixing the ridiculous hours-to-days problem with its broken coin mixing?!?

"banning users?"  WTF.  So I have to not offend anyone at The Darkcoin Foundation Inc or risk being banned?  Can Evan reverse transactions also?  OMG I can't even...