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[humanitee]

I spent a decent amount of time thinking about how to denominate the receiving address as well.  One solution I thought of, is not nearly as fancy as what you describe but sort of works.  You could just have the recipient provide a concatenated list of addresses from his wallet than can be used to do denominate the transaction.  This could be called a "Dark" address or something else equally silly  . and would look something like this:

ABCDEFGHIJK

where each letter represents a different address in the receiving wallet. The "Dark" address would be long as fuck, but it would get the job done - on the blockchain there would be no record of a special "Dark" address ever existing, only the individual addresses, A, B, C etc.

The problem with this idea is it reuses addresses. If the receiver got coins sent in two separate transactions it would be easy to see which addresses he owned because they would appear in both transactions. All you would have to do is look for when A address is in a transaction and then see if there are any other addresses which appear with it each time. It would be trivial for a computer to do, unfortunately.

If these addresses could be new addresses that are procedurally generated each time your idea would be very good.

Damn private keys.

[GhostPlayer]

dost the coin has pos plan?

No, it does not.

come again?  

On a different note... the ENTIRE crypto world is going to the ... Wall Street... step by step...

http://www.coindesk.com/bloomberg-list-bitcoin-prices-financial-terminals/

[Jungian]

dost the coin has pos plan?

No, it does not.

come again?   

I think the question was: Does this coin have a plan to go PoS instead of PoW?

[humanitee]

dost the coin has pos plan?

No, it does not.

come again?   

I think the question was: Does this coin have a plan to go PoS instead of PoW?

No.

It could be argued that master nodes are PoS though. You gotta have money to make money, PoS style.

[chompyZ]

The 10 coin cap is temporary, eventually you will be able to darksend larger amounts.  Currently you can just send the 1000 coins without darksend enabled, I think this will always be an option if someone doesn't want to use darksend they don't have to.

I meant something else. Let me refine my question-

Sender A sends 4 darkcoins to receiver B.
According to the scheme you and Evan disscussed, receiver B gets 4x1DRK, each residing in a separate 'change address'.
After many similar transactions, B holds for the stake of argument 1,000 drk in his wallet, but they are scattered across 1,000 different 'change addresses'.

Suppose Receiver B now wants to have all the coins in one address for whatever reason, for example to set up a masternode. He has 1,000 coins in his wallet, but only he knows that because the blockchain sees it as 1,000 different change addresses. He therefore MUST send all his coins to a single address without using darksend even when darksend will support mixing of 1,000 coins per transaction.

Am I missing something?

[mannie]

I've started a thread at Darkcointalk.org for anyone interested in commenting on my proposed new Darkcoin website. Thanks!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/new-drk-website.350/

[humanitee]

The 10 coin cap is temporary, eventually you will be able to darksend larger amounts.  Currently you can just send the 1000 coins without darksend enabled, I think this will always be an option if someone doesn't want to use darksend they don't have to.

I meant something else. Let me refine my question-

Sender A sends 4 darkcoins to receiver B.
According to the scheme you and Evan disscussed, receiver B gets 4x1DRK, each residing in a separate 'change address'.
After many similar transactions, B holds for the stake of argument 1,000 drk in his wallet, but they are scattered across 1,000 different 'change addresses'.

Suppose Receiver B now wants to have all the coins in one address for whatever reason, for example to set up a masternode. He has 1,000 coins in his wallet, but only he knows that because the blockchain sees it as 1,000 different change addresses. He therefore MUST send all his coins to a single address without using darksend even when darksend will support mixing of 1,000 coins per transaction.

Am I missing something?

The receiver gets all his Dark in one address. The sender gets their change denominated into new addresses.

Part 2 is correct if we assume B has many addresses full of coin. All the coins would move at the same time. However, your situation is worst case scenario, going from many small change addresses to the largest denomination.

[chompyZ]

The receiver gets all his Dark in one address. The sender gets their change denominated into new addresses.

Much obliged...
I have now seen the light!

[GhostPlayer]

dost the coin has pos plan?

No, it does not.

come again?   

I think the question was: Does this coin have a plan to go PoS instead of PoW?

No.

It could be argued that master nodes are PoS though. You gotta have money to make money, PoS style.

No argument there! You park 1k in a masternode to be eligible for darksend %.

Pure PoS, alongside PoW from the blockchain.

[oblox]

 This is a message from Coinmine.pw's Admin

" 2014-04-30 : iCoin, ECCoin and WhiteCoin will be removed from CoinMine 07 / 04(April) / 2014. "

 By the way... good lord !! is KnC finally ready to deploy!? Or fibb ? Or flower tech? Or new gridseeds?

 This graph scares me to death, how it grows daily....

 https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

It's naive to think they aren't already on the networks, aka, "testing" but it's going to get worse. I love people punching in ROI returns for the knc miner using today's difficulty, as if it will stay static by the time 200+ units go online.

[AlexGR]

I was taking a look at coinmarketcap, as it used to be (by total market supply instead of available total supply)

1    Bitcoin   $ 5,675,363,838   $ 446.48   12,711,475 BTC   $ 17,190,403   -0.76 %   
2    Ripple   $ 533,385,837   $ 0.005334   99,999,993,871 XRP*   $ 41,086   -0.57 %   
3    SolarCoin   $ 481,538,645   $ 0.004913   98,016,297,700 SLR**   $ 730   +21.20 %   
4    Litecoin   $ 303,180,221   $ 10.85   27,943,154 LTC   $ 7,253,351   +4.71 %   
5    Peercoin   $ 46,225,802   $ 2.16   21,361,024 PPC   $ 196,631   +2.23 %   
6    Dogecoin   $ 37,510,523   $ 0.000498   75,263,046,439 DOGE   $ 1,172,229   +0.61 %   
7    Isracoin   $ 24,559,891   $ 0.050928   482,250,201 ISR**   $ 2,984   +8.90 %   
8    Mastercoin   $ 22,432,115   $ 36.21   619,478 MSC*   $ 16,351   +0.57 %   
9    Nxt   $ 21,478,341   $ 0.021478   999,997,096 NXT*   $ 29,861   -0.59 %   
10    Namecoin   $ 18,945,695   $ 2.19   8,639,782 NMC   $ 305,164   +4.70 %   
11    BlackCoin   $ 9,325,655   $ 0.13   74,519,095 BC*   $ 244,085   -4.82 %   
12    MaidSafeCoin   $ 6,940,191   $ 0.015336   452,552,412 MAID*   $ 13,646   -16.78 %   
13    DarkCoin   $ 6,524,787   $ 1.56   4,181,119 DRK   $ 65,626   +2.01 %   
14    Auroracoin   $ 6,268,711   $ 0.58   10,753,739 AUR**   $ 6,847   -14.28 %   
15    BitShares-PTS   $ 5,705,147   $ 3.49   1,632,955 PTS   $ 17,524   -1.49 %

...we're #13 on the old list and ahead of Aurora (used to have something like half a billion market cap... interesting how it tanked).

With the new list (by available supply) we are #11... and with the new list, excluding premined + non-mineable coins it goes #6:

1    Bitcoin   $ 5,675,363,838   $ 446.48   12,711,475 BTC   $ 17,190,403   -0.76 %   
2    Litecoin   $ 303,180,221   $ 10.85   27,943,154 LTC   $ 7,253,351   +4.71 %   
3    Peercoin   $ 46,225,802   $ 2.16   21,361,024 PPC   $ 196,631   +2.23 %   
4    Dogecoin   $ 37,510,523   $ 0.000498   75,263,046,439 DOGE   $ 1,172,229   +0.61 %   
5    Namecoin   $ 18,945,695   $ 2.19   8,639,782 NMC   $ 305,164   +4.70 %   
6    DarkCoin   $ 6,524,787   $ 1.56   4,181,119 DRK   $ 65,626   +2.01 %   
7    BitShares-PTS   $ 5,705,147   $ 3.49   1,632,955 PTS   $ 17,524   -1.49 %   
8    Quark   $ 4,611,082   $ 0.018609   247,794,210 QRK   $ 25,124   +2.43 %   
9    Primecoin   $ 4,259,206   $ 0.78   5,460,946 XPM   $ 19,988   -2.86 %   
10    Zetacoin   $ 4,238,175   $ 0.026425   160,385,076 ZET   $ 106,634   -2.72 %   
11    Feathercoin   $ 3,700,609   $ 0.08923   41,472,850 FTC   $ 13,603   +0.20 %   
12    Vertcoin   $ 3,334,443   $ 0.85   3,918,600 VTC   $ 14,346   +2.03 %   
13    Novacoin   $ 2,089,646   $ 3.11   672,629 NVC   $ 5,823   +0.04 %   
14    Infinitecoin   $ 2,061,494   $ 0.000023   90,518,136,381 IFC   $ 4,466   -2.41 %   
15    Megacoin   $ 1,947,178   $ 0.08377   23,244,200 MEC   $ 53,625   +0.99 %   

...not bad... and we didn't have nearly the pump that other coins have (like 10-15x) with only 2-2.5x increase.

[GhostPlayer]

 This is a message from Coinmine.pw's Admin

" 2014-04-30 : iCoin, ECCoin and WhiteCoin will be removed from CoinMine 07 / 04(April) / 2014. "

 By the way... good lord !! is KnC finally ready to deploy!? Or fibb ? Or flower tech? Or new gridseeds?

 This graph scares me to death, how it grows daily....

 https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

It's naive to think they aren't already on the networks, aka, "testing" but it's going to get worse. I love people punching in ROI returns for the knc miner using today's difficulty, as if it will stay static by the time 200+ units go online.

By "ready to deploy" I thought it was implicit that they're "mining with customer's pre-orders"

In a world of trustless finance, pre-order mining investors are the biggest trusting dumb-asses in history.

[thefrog]

Hi

did someone successfully build and run the wallet on a i686 (=32 bit) linux ?

i build successfully, but then after start, the sync stops at block "blocks" : 45993,

2014-04-29 20:04:48 received block 00000000000b304562f734cdc04f201f9e0497188a26362f76b4642606ebbc70
2014-04-29 20:04:48 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : incorrect proof of work
2014-04-29 20:04:48 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED

I have used the latest git source.

Please help, I would like to set up a p2pool node for DRK.
And no, I can not switch to x86_64, as I have other p2pools up and running at the moment on the same node.

DRK is the only one that does not work (at the moment).

thanks

cheers

Use this for temporary work around.

http://drk.poolhash.org/files_for_darkoin_block/blocks.tgz

Code:

:~/.darkcoin>  getconf LONG_BIT
32

darkcoind stop
cd ~/.darkcoin
wget http://drk.poolhash.org/files_for_darkoin_block/blocks.tgz
tar xfvz blocks.tgz
rm -rf blocks chainstate
mv home/user/.darkcoin/* .
darkcoind
darkcoind getinfo


{
    "version" : 90102,
    "protocolversion" : 70002,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 60001,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 3,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 955.31190257,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1398805858,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""
}

2014-04-29 21:27:42 received block 00000000000cfe64fca7b5c3a8ad1ee39dd3f380aeb56027bc25e97904d2c99e
2014-04-29 21:27:42 Committing 9 changed transactions to coin database...
2014-04-29 21:27:42 SetBestChain: new best=00000000000cfe64fca7b5c3a8ad1ee39dd3f380aeb56027bc25e97904d2c99e  height=60001  log2_work=55.944516  tx=245698  date=2014-04-29 21:27:20 progress=0.999999
2014-04-29 21:27:42 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED

Hi,
thanks for the answer.
Tried it just now, did not work. ;-/

debug.log

2014-04-30 14:54:14 received block 0000000000155921f12fa9d4c83689a164dc47fa564e4470d1d5ef008a3154f5
2014-04-30 14:54:14 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : incorrect proof of work
2014-04-30 14:54:14 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED
2014-04-30 14:54:14 Misbehaving: 98.184.164.142:9999 (0 -> 100) DISCONNECTING
2014-04-30 14:54:14 disconnecting node 98.184.164.142:9999


getinfo

    "version" : 90102,
    "protocolversion" : 70002,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 60262,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 11,

did fresh compile, cleaned whole .darkcoin in $HOME, unpacked the tar file, moved all the parts as stated above, but again, stuck at 60262 now.

[TanteStefana]

My head hurts.....   

Your next task is to update the chart with the plans Evan has for RC3  

Denomitated change addresses! 

I just need to understand better, and making a chart kind of helps, IF I got it rightish, LOL.  Eventually, I think we need a flow chart that is pretty accurate so People who want to understand can.

I want to understand, but I really wish I didn't want to understand and could just be a happy camper without a headache, ROFL 

[chaeplin]

Hi

did someone successfully build and run the wallet on a i686 (=32 bit) linux ?

i build successfully, but then after start, the sync stops at block "blocks" : 45993,

2014-04-29 20:04:48 received block 00000000000b304562f734cdc04f201f9e0497188a26362f76b4642606ebbc70
2014-04-29 20:04:48 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : incorrect proof of work
2014-04-29 20:04:48 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED

I have used the latest git source.

Please help, I would like to set up a p2pool node for DRK.
And no, I can not switch to x86_64, as I have other p2pools up and running at the moment on the same node.

DRK is the only one that does not work (at the moment).

thanks

cheers

Use this for temporary work around.

http://drk.poolhash.org/files_for_darkoin_block/blocks.tgz

Code:

:~/.darkcoin>  getconf LONG_BIT
32

darkcoind stop
cd ~/.darkcoin
wget http://drk.poolhash.org/files_for_darkoin_block/blocks.tgz
tar xfvz blocks.tgz
rm -rf blocks chainstate
mv home/user/.darkcoin/* .
darkcoind
darkcoind getinfo


{
    "version" : 90102,
    "protocolversion" : 70002,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 60001,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 3,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 955.31190257,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1398805858,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""
}

2014-04-29 21:27:42 received block 00000000000cfe64fca7b5c3a8ad1ee39dd3f380aeb56027bc25e97904d2c99e
2014-04-29 21:27:42 Committing 9 changed transactions to coin database...
2014-04-29 21:27:42 SetBestChain: new best=00000000000cfe64fca7b5c3a8ad1ee39dd3f380aeb56027bc25e97904d2c99e  height=60001  log2_work=55.944516  tx=245698  date=2014-04-29 21:27:20 progress=0.999999
2014-04-29 21:27:42 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED

Hi,
thanks for the answer.
Tried it just now, did not work. ;-/

debug.log

2014-04-30 14:54:14 received block 0000000000155921f12fa9d4c83689a164dc47fa564e4470d1d5ef008a3154f5
2014-04-30 14:54:14 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : incorrect proof of work
2014-04-30 14:54:14 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED
2014-04-30 14:54:14 Misbehaving: 98.184.164.142:9999 (0 -> 100) DISCONNECTING
2014-04-30 14:54:14 disconnecting node 98.184.164.142:9999


getinfo

    "version" : 90102,
    "protocolversion" : 70002,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 60262,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 11,

did fresh compile, cleaned whole .darkcoin in $HOME, unpacked the tar file, moved all the parts as stated above, but again, stuck at 60262 now.

Oh, mine too.

Code:

2014-04-30 15:04:08 SetBestChain: new best=00000000001580b2d2403b027531ae0791a88552dabe9c2978a62a44cb8a7e4e  height=60262  log2_work=55.967062  tx=246646  date=2014-04-30 08:13:54 progress=0.998995
2014-04-30 15:04:08 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
2014-04-30 15:04:08 getblocks 60259 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 500
2014-04-30 15:04:08 getblocks 60247 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 500
2014-04-30 15:04:08 received block 0000000000155921f12fa9d4c83689a164dc47fa564e4470d1d5ef008a3154f5
2014-04-30 15:04:08 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : incorrect proof of work
2014-04-30 15:04:08 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED

Hmmm, Should use 64bit...

[thelonecrouton]

By "ready to deploy" I thought it was implicit that they're "mining with customer's pre-orders"

In a world of trustless finance, pre-order mining investors are the biggest trusting dumb-asses in history.

I think they must have steadily upped the flouride in the water supply...

[TanteStefana]

Dark Wallet article in Wired Magazine:

‘Dark Wallet’ Is About to Make Bitcoin Money Laundering Easier Than Ever

http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dark-wallet/?mbid=social_fb

Was this kid really so stupid as to say this?

"Wilson described his intentions for Dark Wallet more directly: “It’s just money laundering software.”" about dark wallet?

Do people really not understand privacy?  We have given up so much of our privacy that nobody values what it gives us anymore!  My family posts pictures of me on the internet and then tags them with my name, and sees nothing wrong with that!  My old work took a picture of me without my permission, in fact I told them not to, and still stuck a picture of me on the internet.

There is no respect for personal privacy anymore!  It just amazes me!

[vipgelsi]

Anyone having trouble getting the wallet to sync today?

[GhostPlayer]

Just fired it up and working fine. OSx 0.9.1.2

[TanteStefana]

Dumb question if someone can help: How can one verify that they sent money to someone if its anonymous?  Is there a way of overcoming this or are there various sending methods?  Anon payments are great but tracked payments have their place as well.

Sorry, you really can't have both.  Anonymous means ecash, once you loose, have stolen, spend, etc... cash, you can't get it back.  What do you get though?  You get a receipt.  You must trust the company to uphold the integrity of your receipt.

So yah, you'll have to use something else if you want transparency because they're mutually exclusive.