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[coins101]

If there is an organised pump, then it's an indication that Bitcoin is more important and you want to participate in increasing the price to get more Bitcoin.

If you're going to pump, do a reverse pump so I can get more for my guv paper.

All said, pumping is a bit shady.

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[thelonecrouton]

Masternode count: 1987

Drk.mn is saying 1781?

Hmm, my local wallet and all of my MNs report 1987-1989.  

[Lebubar]

Masternode count: 1987

Drk.mn is saying 1781?

Hmm, my local wallet and all of my MNs report 1987-1989.  

Mine say : 1782 too =)
 
./darkcoind masternode list | grep ": 1" | awk -F\" '{print $2}'  | sort -u | wc -l
1782

[Minotaur26]

We would hardly be demonstrating impeccable integrity would we?
I always like to ask..... WWED?

That is why the idea was dismissed. This is a place of discussion, so no harm in bouncing ideas. I think it is clear that the general consensus is against any form of market manipulation.

 We will earn our keep in due time through the coin's and the community merits. It is already clear that Darkcoin is a serious contender to become a big player in crypto.

We move on.

[RenegadeMan]

We would hardly be demonstrating impeccable integrity would we?
I always like to ask..... WWED?

We'd neither be demonstrating "impeccable" integrity, mid range "sort-of" integrity or entry level "I-don't-really-understand-what-integrity-is" integrity.

The word "integrity" simply cannot be used in relation to anything where people band together in collusion to organise coordinated price rigging.

I'm a bit astounded that so many people think this is an entirely appropriate thing to do!

So we have Darkcoin's birthday coming up and we're going to "celebrate" it by creating a false manipulation of Darkcoin's price by openly agreeing to all taking trading actions at the same time. Are you guys on drugs!!!

There's a reason why people who do this in relation to publicly traded securities are breaking the law; it creates false market conditions that badly affect investors who are not in the know on what's occurring and creates enormous ill will when someone's come off second best because they weren't across the plan.

Regardless of the fact that this is  being discussed on an open and public forum like this, it's a very poor idea that's terribly lacking in fundamental fairness, decency and integrity. The price of DRK will go up when more people outside of the existing investors and supporters become aware of DRK's benefit's and its huge potential for growth.

There's great work going on here by many committed people to get that message out. That's what we need to be focussing on; not a coordinated attempt to pump the price.

[thelonecrouton]

Masternode count: 1987

Drk.mn is saying 1781?

Hmm, my local wallet and all of my MNs report 1987-1989.  

Mine say : 1782 too =)
 
./darkcoind masternode list | grep ": 1" | awk -F\" '{print $2}'  | sort -u | wc -l
1782

Yeah I get 1782 with that, but I was getting 1782 up until a few hours ago with just a 'masternode count'

My logs show:
Sun Jan 11 15:42:29 2015  Masternode count: 1872
Sun Jan 11 20:57:29 2015  Masternode count: 1875
Sun Jan 11 22:06:56 2015  Masternode count: 1983
Sun Jan 11 22:24:24 2015  Masternode count: 1986
Sun Jan 11 22:40:15 2015  Masternode count: 1987

I assumed someone had just fired up a bunch with start-many.

[semajjames]

Denominating 10 coins 2 rounds on mainnet, quick, somebody wanna join?

I've Been trying to do 50 coins out of 100 at 3 rounds for day's

[thelonecrouton]

We would hardly be demonstrating impeccable integrity would we?
I always like to ask..... WWED?

We'd neither be demonstrating "impeccable" integrity, mid range "sort-of" integrity or entry level "I-don't-really-understand-what-integrity-is" integrity.

The word "integrity" simply cannot be used in relation to anything where people band together in collusion to organise coordinated price rigging.

I'm a bit astounded that so many people think this is an entirely appropriate thing to do!

So we have Darkcoin's birthday coming up and we're going to "celebrate" it by creating a false manipulation of Darkcoin's price by openly agreeing to all taking trading actions at the same time. Are you guys on drugs!!!

There's a reason why people who do this in relation to publicly traded securities are breaking the law; it creates false market conditions that badly affect investors who are not in the know on what's occurring and creates enormous ill will when someone's come off second best because they weren't across the plan.

Regardless of the fact that this is  being discussed on an open and public forum like this, it's a very poor idea that's terribly lacking in fundamental fairness, decency and integrity. The price of DRK will go up when more people outside of the existing investors and supporters become aware of DRK's benefit's and its huge potential for growth.

There's great work going on here by many committed people to get that message out. That's what we need to be focussing on; not a coordinated attempt to pump the price.

I don't think a few people saying publicly that they're all going to buy some DRK on a certain day really constitutes 'market rigging.'

It's a gesture of support, not an attempt to hoodwink or swindle anyone.

[splawik21]

no need to pump drk, stable and healthy progress is the key of success.

[aleix]

'Silk Road Reloaded' Just Launched on a Network More Secret than Tor

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/silk-road-reloaded-i2p


(darkcoin mentioned)

[thelonecrouton]

'Silk Road Reloaded' Just Launched on a Network More Secret than Tor

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/silk-road-reloaded-i2p


(darkcoin mentioned)

"by converting them into Bitcoin through the site's built in wallet" - haha, doomed.

A maketplace should leave the trading up to buyers and sellers directly, and just offer a venue for trade, not try to cream from both parties via its central wallet. Which will doubtless be 'hacked' as soon as there's enough BTC in it.

[toknormal]

******** Amber Alert **********

The BTC/USD market has been wild in the last hour. I can't describe it as anything other than an all out pitched battle between bulls and bears for supremacy.

20, 40 and 90 BTC shots were simply being hurled at the enemy in both directions and exploding in spectators faces. Laptop cooling fans kicked into hovercraft mode as Bitcoinwisdom's javascript tried to redraw the order book at a resolution of anything better than an allout blur.

Meanwhile the DRK/BTC ratio appears to be compensating somewhat for the sink rate. The 4-hour momentum broke positive on the 9th of January and although it hasn't been that visible to anyone watching the price, the underlying movement is there as shorter range charts diverge again to the upside today.

As another astute DRK market observer pointed out earlier in the thread (apologies - I forgot who it was, please remind me) the 1-week MACD posted its first green block since late June recently, so the valuation is hard packed with a third of the coin supply now tied up in masternodes.

As I remarked before, I think we are entering a key time for ** everything **. Not just cryptos but the financial system as a whole. Lets see what happens when markets open tomorrow - Japan, Greece, European deflation, France, central banks losing control - it's all starting to get volatile.

I urge DRKers to read this article as we must remain one of the most informed crypto communities on the planet to steer this ship through safe waters.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113267/the-drum-beat-of-deflation-is-growing-louder-the-intermarket-picture

I realise it's not everyone's cup of tea, even though stuff like this that connects crypto with the 'real world' financial system is like a friday night with a bottle of Rioja and the 50th rerun of Butch Cassidy & the Sundance kid to me. All the same it's quite a rare and very informative view of things from a crypto perspective and worth reading I think.

To me the landscape is looking good for DRK. The tech's succeeding, the masternode idea worked - there's tons of them. Evan got another stripe. The valuation is solid. Most of the competition have given up and those that haven't remain well out of range of our marketcap.

We are becoming fertile ground again.

The only compass direction left is north !

[RenegadeMan]

I don't think a few people saying publicly that they're all going to buy some DRK on a certain day really constitutes 'market rigging.'

It's a gesture of support, not an attempt to hoodwink or swindle anyone.

Okay, yes I understand what you're saying. Supporting DRK though suggesting everyone buy rather than sell is fine. But I think there are enough people on this thread openly suggesting "a bit of collusion isn't such a bad thing" to warrant raising greater awareness that this type of activity often backfires very badly and IMO should be discouraged.

We should have a day where everyone goes into Cryptsy/Bitfinex/etc and doubles their sell orders price. Would that even work?  It's a pretty interesting thought experiment.

yes! there's nothing wrong with some voluntary collusion to raise the price, that's fair to do and I like the idea. how about announcing a "suggested price" of 0.02 BTC, or $5.70? that would put Darkcoin ahead of Dogecoin, where it belongs. and it might get us some useful attention.
value is whatever we decide it is, and DRK is obviously undervalued. those of us sellers who need the short-term $ and are regularly selling for below what we think our Darkcoins are worth should encourage each other to force the price up to a higher level, which will end up getting us paid more for our coins. how about it?
-onetime

Yes it is important.
You guys are talking about collusion, price rigging, and market manipulation. Besides that this a silly idea that will never work, it is probably illegal and will only end badly with innocent people losing money. Anyways, I think it was started as a joke and should have never been taken seriously.
DRK stands on its own merits in a free market. The end.

I disagree. it's not illegal or wrong to voluntarily collude. DRK owners can sell or not sell at whatever price they want, and if buyers want DRK, they must pay the price a seller is willing to sell at. it's supply and demand, the market is free and fair. imo, voluntary collusion is fair game.

-onetime

I'm with KryptoFoo, this is not a good idea. Investors reading this thread will not take well to this kind of thing in the community. Please end this planning, now.
This community is highly regarded, and I promote that fact all the time. Don't ruin our reputation, just have patience. DRK will rise organically over time with more merchant and customer adoption...

All of this.
Investors........ as well as every troll in Mordor that will have a field day.

 

ruin our reputation? because some people agree with each other (just take each other's advice) not to sell their Darkcoins at an undervalued price? that's ridiculous.

this strategy is fair game and won't tarnish Darkcoin's reputation at all. if it succeeds? great! if it fails? oh well, no change.

investors are anonymous buyers and sellers in a market, and they can base their decisions on whatever they want. intelligent people will make their valuations on Darkcoin's real value, which we know is great.

if you want to discourage collusion, you're trying to regulate this free market. who are you to prohibit communicating or advising people? imho, it's you who want to force (non-voluntarily) a certain price.

-onetime

We all want the price of DRK to rise but it must happen naturally and without any sort of manipulation from the community. Then new people can confidently invest in DRK without worrying that something's being organised that could result in P&Ds.

[Jeff8247]

We got a mention.

http://gizmodo.com/silk-road-reloaded-ditches-tor-for-a-more-anonymous-net-1678839282

[BitcoinFX]

Being interested in this purely from an online anonymity and privacy perspective the headline "... Ditches Tor for a More Anonymous Network" is perhaps very misleading and somewhat uninformed.

Tor network hidden_services probably provide the best know anonymity and privacy for users. Although, as stated within their name these services are only hidden and are therefore not truly anonymous, as from a networking perspective the potential to locate them exists.

- How to locate a Tor Hidden Service ? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902763

- Tor: Hidden Services and Deanonymisation [31c3] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZdeRmlj8Gw

By all accounts the "Silkroad 2.0" was not located through any know practical and/or theoretical networking 'attack vectors';

- State of the Onion - 31c3 Tor Talk - http://youtu.be/wKArmXr8o04?t=47m30s

Moreover, Further improvements are also being made with regards to how the Tor networks handles hidden_service requests for clients - to improve on anonymity. I have strong doubts as to if I2p would actually currently provide better user anonymity against an 'all seeing' adversary.

...

However, you can never have enough anon networks or projects for users to utilize or contribute towards. These are interesting crossover projects:

- Abscond Project - https://hideme.today/dev/

- Privacy Solutions - https://privacysolutions.no/

...

It's really great to see Darkcoin getting more recognition as being towards 'Anonymous Digital Cash' (perhaps best described as just 'Digital Cash'    ofc).

- For those of you that don't know (or perhaps forgot) I'm still operating 2x Tor hidden_services for Darkcoin wallet connectivity through Tor:

See: http://darkproxy.eu/darkvpn.php - N.B. torrc config. is just an example and is due for an update - although the .onion addresses for client connectivity are live and kept updated to Onyx V3 (10.17.26)+

The web proxy service (only on clear net for now) has been running for many months and has hopefully brought some new interest to Darkcoin. Its only a one-hop proxy ofc, with the emphasis being on strong 4096-bit encryption. I'll perhaps look to improve and diversify the service offering in the future; if I can find some project funding, as well as trying to get the wallet nodes integrated with dual I2p connectivity etc.

So, SWIM assumes transactions over Tor using Darksend and/or over I2p (or a mixture of both then) ?  

P.S. Did anyone ever set-up 'anonymous' Darkcoin mining over Tor or I2p yet ? See: http://eligius.st/~gateway/faq-page#t9n14 > General Questions > Can I mine over Tor?

  

[TanteStefana2]

******** Amber Alert **********

The BTC/USD market has been wild in the last hour. I can't describe it as anything other than an all out pitched battle between bulls and bears for supremacy.

20, 40 and 90 BTC shots were simply being hurled at the enemy in both directions and exploding in spectators faces. Laptop cooling fans kicked into hovercraft mode as Bitcoinwisdom's javascript tried to redraw the order book at a resolution of anything better than an allout blur.

Meanwhile the DRK/BTC ratio appears to be compensating somewhat for the sink rate. The 4-hour momentum broke positive on the 9th of January and although it hasn't been that visible to anyone watching the price, the underlying movement is there as shorter range charts diverge again to the upside today.

As another astute DRK market observer pointed out earlier in the thread (apologies - I forgot who it was, please remind me) the 1-week MACD posted its first green block since late June recently, so the valuation is hard packed with a third of the coin supply now tied up in masternodes.

As I remarked before, I think we are entering a key time for ** everything **. Not just cryptos but the financial system as a whole. Lets see what happens when markets open tomorrow - Japan, Greece, European deflation, France, central banks losing control - it's all starting to get volatile.

I urge DRKers to read this article as we must remain one of the most informed crypto communities on the planet to steer this ship through safe waters.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113267/the-drum-beat-of-deflation-is-growing-louder-the-intermarket-picture

I realise it's not everyone's cup of tea, even though stuff like this that connects crypto with the 'real world' financial system is like a friday night with a bottle of Rioja and the 50th rerun of Butch Cassidy & the Sundance kid to me. All the same it's quite a rare and very informative view of things from a crypto perspective and worth reading I think.

To me the landscape is looking good for DRK. The tech's succeeding, the masternode idea worked - there's tons of them. Evan got another stripe. The valuation is solid. Most of the competition have given up and those that haven't remain well out of range of our marketcap.

We are becoming fertile ground again.

The only compass direction left is north !

I have absolutely ZERO understanding of what you say, toknormal, but you sure make it sound exciting and get my heart pumping, even if I don't know why   LOL.  Luv ya!

[jiggytom]

get this ponzi scheme bullshit out of the DRK thread.

[oblox]

Lots of spam for this shit...

[innergy]

./darkcoind masternode count
2055

  

[droptable]

[...]
- State of the Onion - 31c3 Tor Talk - http://youtu.be/wKArmXr8o04?t=47m30s

[...]

That is a great talk.

And the next one applebaum gave is even more worth to watch, if you are interested in Tor or not:
http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6258_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201412282030_-_reconstructing_narratives_-_jacob_-_laura_poitras.html#video

and FX, great post!