[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[TanteStefana2]

I only looked through a few addresses casually.  I'm afraid I'll actually have to think and research to see what's up.  I'm a lazy butt.  I was just surprised to see that they think I have over 30 addresses in that wallet  

How can you see that from a block explorer ?

Surely the block explorer just shows addresses, It can't know what wallet houses those addresses.

That's what I'm wondering.  How accurate is the info?  If you look up any wallet address on that explorer, there is a line that says Wallet and next to it, in blue XX addresses

[Jacksp]

Are you going to talk about the price?

[Sub-Ether]

I read 1/2 of that  - then - turned and ran the other way....

https://youtu.be/KAp9sFVdERQ

[Jacksp]

Are you going to talk about the price?

lol - that's his job:   @toknormal

We have broken resistance, back to 0.006 

[Jestah]

Are you going to talk about the price?

lol - that's his job:   @toknormal

We have broken resistance, back to 0.006 

OK Vegeta sure. 

[MasterMined710]

what do we know about this...
JoinMarket

Blockchain.info is a private company that makes an open-source Bitcoin web wallet. They have a very bad reputation, as on numerous occasions they have been found to make mistakes. They also have an optional service called "SharedSend", or some such name, which uses their own version of CoinJoin to mix bitcoins that users send. That service was found to be flawed.
r/JoinMarket is a separate service that is open-source and created by u/belcher_. It also uses CoinJoin, but it has been vetted by CoinJoin's inventor, u/nullc, and many others interested in Bitcoin privacy. You can see the order book of people offering bitcoins for mixing here:
http://www.joinmarket.io
In other words, JoinMarket is decentralized and open-source, and it's not possible to lose your bitcoins or have them tracked by a centralized service, or server. One caveat: It's available for now only with command line interface, but plugins for Bitcoin Core and Electrum wallets are in the works.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3oftzn/lets_have_a_chat_about_dash_bitcoin_payment/cvzvwlk?context=3

I read 1/2 of that  - then - turned and ran the other way....

it sounded good to me. i was just wondering what the fatal flaw was as i'm sure it has one. anyone anyone bueller

[MasterMined710]

Are you going to talk about the price?

lol - that's his job:   @toknormal

We have broken resistance, back to 0.006 

i hope it goes to 0.0083ish so i can pick up 2 more masternodes. if it goes to 0.006 i will take 3 please, with cheese.

[RenegadeMan]

I saw a good exit opportunity.....

I don't think you'd know "good" if it wafted in though your window one day and offered to lift you up out of your angry pissed-off hell-hole of a life.

I just looked back through your posting history. You are one of the saddest, angriest, unhappy and wholly negative individuals I've come across.

It's not just Evan Duffield you're pissed about, it's the iGotSpots dev, the guy running the LTC vs Dash thread, the Bay area guy selling Clams for a premium, qwizzie, Otoh, Sub-Ether, illodin, GhostPlayer, toknormal, aleix, wozzek23. Minotaur26, bigrcanada....in fact virtually everyone except shining "beacons of hope" like iCEBREAKER (ha!).

In 10 pages of your last posts there isn't a single positive, complimentary, encouraging or appreciative post. It's all negative, hateful, angry, take-down, threatening, vengeful and oh-so-unhappy frustration.

You need to get help.

(EDIT: And what's just so gobsmackingly ironic is your buddha avatar. Astounding choice given your nature and countenance)

[toknormal]

it sounded good to me. i was just wondering what the fatal flaw was as i'm sure it has one. anyone anyone bueller

I think the 'fatal flaw' is that it's kind of like having 1 masternode which is privately owned and run. (Dash's are not because even though you can 'own and run' 1 masternode, you need to own over 3000 of them for it to matter).

Mixing is the exception rather than the rule.

[TanteStefana2]

what do we know about this...
JoinMarket

Blockchain.info is a private company that makes an open-source Bitcoin web wallet. They have a very bad reputation, as on numerous occasions they have been found to make mistakes. They also have an optional service called "SharedSend", or some such name, which uses their own version of CoinJoin to mix bitcoins that users send. That service was found to be flawed.
r/JoinMarket is a separate service that is open-source and created by u/belcher_. It also uses CoinJoin, but it has been vetted by CoinJoin's inventor, u/nullc, and many others interested in Bitcoin privacy. You can see the order book of people offering bitcoins for mixing here:
http://www.joinmarket.io
In other words, JoinMarket is decentralized and open-source, and it's not possible to lose your bitcoins or have them tracked by a centralized service, or server. One caveat: It's available for now only with command line interface, but plugins for Bitcoin Core and Electrum wallets are in the works.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3oftzn/lets_have_a_chat_about_dash_bitcoin_payment/cvzvwlk?context=3

That's just weird and I instantly have a prejudice against it, LOL.  I just asked there "how many people mix at once, that is, do they use blocks of coins in same amounts? Do they mix with more than 2 people? How long does it take to match up and mix?"  I can't imagine that they can compete with Dash, even close.  I'm sure the mixes are easily traceable and that it's FAR slower to get your coins mixed there than here, with much lower quality of untracability.  But I didn't come out and say that because I haven't done my research, and I'm too lazy to as well

[Jacksp]

Are you going to talk about the price?

lol - that's his job:   @toknormal

We have broken resistance, back to 0.006 

OK Vegeta sure. 

Leeloo, walls do you see?

[cryptonewb]

What do these liquidity providers do exactly?

People are constantly running the mixer.  That's all.  Only A couple of weeks ago, Evan made it so that, if you're available for mixing, and you run liquidityprovider=1 in your conf file, you won't mix unless someone needs you to.  That is, you won't start mixing sessions, just join them.  This way, we don't sit around mixing with each other, and unnecessarily bloat the block chain.  But there are at least 6 people running liquidity providers according to the proposal that was approved, and that should give plenty of deviation so that mixes should be very good.  Plus there are others who just do it to be helpful.  Always do at least 2, better >5

Hmmmm.... Isn't it dangerous to have to rely on only 6 people who are available for mixing all the time?
I guess that these people have the logs of the mixing. If they collude, they can know which mixing input is associated with a certain mixing output.

[TanteStefana2]

What do these liquidity providers do exactly?

People are constantly running the mixer.  That's all.  Only A couple of weeks ago, Evan made it so that, if you're available for mixing, and you run liquidityprovider=1 in your conf file, you won't mix unless someone needs you to.  That is, you won't start mixing sessions, just join them.  This way, we don't sit around mixing with each other, and unnecessarily bloat the block chain.  But there are at least 6 people running liquidity providers according to the proposal that was approved, and that should give plenty of deviation so that mixes should be very good.  Plus there are others who just do it to be helpful.  Always do at least 2, better >5

Hmmmm.... Isn't it dangerous to have to rely on only 6 people who are available for mixing all the time?
I guess that these people have the logs of the mixing. If they collude, they can know which mixing input is associated with a certain mixing output.

That's why Evan chose trusted members to do this.  And I doubt you could get any 2 to do this, and those 2, if found, would only be in on the same mixing what?  Oh shoot, I'm terrible at math.... well now, after 30+ years... Um... is it every 9th time?  So again, the more you mix, the better your security.

[gusterdd]

Are you going to talk about the price?

lol - that's his job:   @toknormal

We have broken resistance, back to 0.006  

I setted 0.0090~0.0091 buy order in bittrex.
Don't worry about DASH value, someone will buy coin from dumper.
Core team's early mined huge coin sould not sell in exchange market until being bitcoin's competing parter.
Under 0.0080 value I will buy DASH more and more. After jump LTC, please make DASH as powerful as bitcoin.
Someone buy DASH and add a masternode, Don't worry coin value, Relax. I will be your supporter.

[patrolman]

What do these liquidity providers do exactly?

People are constantly running the mixer.  That's all.  Only A couple of weeks ago, Evan made it so that, if you're available for mixing, and you run liquidityprovider=1 in your conf file, you won't mix unless someone needs you to.  That is, you won't start mixing sessions, just join them.  This way, we don't sit around mixing with each other, and unnecessarily bloat the block chain.  But there are at least 6 people running liquidity providers according to the proposal that was approved, and that should give plenty of deviation so that mixes should be very good.  Plus there are others who just do it to be helpful.  Always do at least 2, better >5

Hmmmm.... Isn't it dangerous to have to rely on only 6 people who are available for mixing all the time?
I guess that these people have the logs of the mixing. If they collude, they can know which mixing input is associated with a certain mixing output.

They're not necessarily the only people mixing. The fact that mixing sometimes takes quite a long time came up, so there was a DGBB proposal to provide compensation for some trusted members of the community to operate as "liquidity providers". Apparently the next version of Dash will be anonymous by default, and also faster, but it was decided that it would take some time to implement and test the new system, so the incentives for liquidity providers could serve as a temporary solution to speed up the anonymisation process a little.

[toknormal]

Leeloo, walls do you see?

We could easily revisit 6 for a restest. Then again, we could visit anywhere in between and keep bouncing back. There's been 2 retests of the 9 levels already in the last 6 weeks and this is the third.

The interesting thing is the volume. The 3-day volume's tapering away to nothing and each retest of the 9 level was on successively less volume. That could be good or could be bad - I won't make any predictions since it's be sure to go the other way if I'm too optimistic  

Also, which market is selling and which is buying is a question that must be asked now w.r.t. Dash market analysis. Right now the currency market is selling and the reserve market's been buying. If the price drops further I'd imagine that trend might accelarate (i.e. more currency sector sellers than masternode sellers). On the other hand, if it jumps back up to 1, it looks like the masternode network population might level off where it is for now.

Interesting times ahead whichever way it goes. On economics. On technology. On commerce. Just sit tight - day trade if you feel brave - and see what happens.

[iCEBREAKER]

I have no affiliation with Monero.

HAHAHA. So much for the "long haul" you disloyal little whore. Have you ever in your sad neckbearded life spoken to someone that actually took you seriously?
I see a bright future for XMR with fairweather-friends like you

Oh, so AdamWhite is just a Monero troll who's also a liar. That makes sense.

If your posts were about or even mentioned Dash (now with 100% less "No Premine"), they would be on-topic.

But they don't, so they aren't.

Sorry about that.

Better luck next time.

[moocowmoo]

what do we know about this...
JoinMarket

I read 1/2 of that  - then - turned and ran the other way....

it sounded good to me. i was just wondering what the fatal flaw was as i'm sure it has one. anyone anyone bueller

I've not read the paper yet, but I haven't seen anything to make being a mixing node as expensive as a masternode (to thwart a Sybil attack)

The pdf ( https://www.comsys.rwth-aachen.de/fileadmin/papers/2015/2015-ziegeldorf-codaspy-coinparty.pdf ) covers the typical 'how many bad actors are required to de-anonymize mixes' (for their algorithm):



but a two minute skim didn't find anything about the requirements to be a mix node. (cost to participate)

Unless there is a mechanism in place to prevent spawning a million bad-guy-controlled nodes (that all play fair, but monitor traffic), it remains vulnerable to a Sybil attack.

[iCEBREAKER]

Well as you know, things change quickly in crypto. I saw a good exit opportunity and i took it. I'm not a liar, those posts have been deleted. These fanatical DASHtards dug it up from who knows where...

Funny you're so quick to label me a liar, but EvanTheInstaminer can deceive everyone about the launch time, claim the instamine fraud was a "bug" (OOPS!) and you don't bat an eyelid.




Yup, obviously an accident 

but But BUT BUT muh DUFF-SPLANATIONS!!1!

How many times must we cargo cultists Duff-splain how the instamine was an accident, and it all turned out for the best anyway?

Like Hillary's betrayal of our personnel in Libya (on the brink of the civil war her State Dept fomented), at this point "what difference" does the Instamine make?

It's Old News^® and you should be more concerned with the latest shiny object (IE "Evolution") being presented to the cargo cult.

[toknormal]

I was just wondering when the instamine would go 'geopolitical'.

It must be only a matter of time before it gets held responsible for the next war