[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[stealth923]

Great sell wall is going to fall soon!

No doubt they may be picking up one of these with the proceeds.

Or the wall will be pulled at the last minute

[qwizzie]

Hello, $9. Nice to see you again.

damn, you beat me to it :



imgur is getting a bit more tricky to work with these days (they revamped their site but its not bug free)

[Bridgewater]

I've been watching recent drama at some of the other "self-governing" crypto (GRC, HODL, and of course the DAO) and I've come to think the risk of poison-pill attack is higher than usually assumed.

Normally, we think that coin-holders (MN-holders in particular) would never vote against their own self-interest, but that hides some subtle variants. For example, what if their perceived self-interest did not match reality - they think they are making a good choice but are not? We also tend to assume that Bad Guys would have to invest so much to buy significant influence that it would not be worth their while.

At those other coins, something like the following happened. A smallish group, very sure of its position, lobbies for a change. A vote eventually occurs, and the small but high-energy group wins. The coin's trajectory changes. People who did not participate for whatever reasons, or who were on the losing side of the vote, react in the usual ways - they drop out, they complain, they rethink their position, they go along - whatever. My point is that a relatively small group of high-energy people can, and does, change policy. This pattern is routine in real-life politics and in corporate battles.

So a coin changes direction, and there is no way of being certain up-front whether the coin will thrive or fail as a result, no matter how strong one's opinions may be. Mr Market decides in time.

Back to Bad Guys and poison pills - presumably there are or will be small high-energy groups of Bad Guys trying to influence changes of direction in any self-governing coin. From time to time they will succeed in changing a coin's direction. Their changes may or may not give the results they want - they may backfire - but sometimes they will make a coin change direction in such a way that the coin never recovers.

The fix to this is not to abandon self-governance - any mode of decision-making risks making bad decisions. Neither is the fix to have extra layers of decision-makers as is usually done in the political realm (House and Senate or Commons and Lords, for example). The flaws in such systems are well-known. I have no fix to offer, I'm just noting a vulnerability, based on observing recent adventures with other coins. Possibly - possibly - the fix is to be sure that all decisions can be re-visited at reasonable intervals, and that most changes can be undone without forking to a new brand name. Bad Guys can exploit this kind of mechanism too, of course. There will always be Bad Guys or Good Guys who guess wrong. The challenge is to minimize damage.

For me as a coin-holder, none of this matters at a deep level. I just add to my supply or sell according to my perception of whether the coin direction change was in my interests. (I recently divested half-a-million of one-of-the-above, suppressing emotion as best I could). For a given coin though, a direction change can be brilliant or fatal or somewhere in between. A Dev risks a lot when he lets "his baby" become self-governing.

I'm still very happy with Dash's direction, in case it's not obvious.        

You should have a little more faith in the voters, who are also the primary investors (the ones with the money).

The "haves" got to be that way because they posses enough sense to filter out most of the "great ideas" championed by the have-nots which would cause them (and the have-nots, by extension) to become poor.

The capitalists are the free thinkers, who can see the big picture (greatest good for themselves AND everyone else) rationally without all the guilt and shame, which makes them the best voters.  It is the high-energy Bad Guys who cannot see an accurate big picture because their model does not include individual responsibility and success at its foundation. 

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Wow, great news on the Dash-Mycellium collaboration!  Does this mean we will soon be able to use Dash with Trezor and Ledger hardware wallets on mobile phones?

[qwizzie]

Great sell wall is going to fall soon!

No doubt they will be picking up one of these with the proceeds.

i wouldn't mind if it ended up like this :



and they promote the hell out of it.

Otoh : interested ? this is a good way to avoid those crowded airports and cramped limousines 

[stealth923]

https://news.bitcoin.com/dash-across-america-tour-bus/

Bitcoin.com bus now doing a "Dash" across america supporting Dash!!!

It really feels like we are getting closer to the tipping point

[stealth923]

Dash Business Development Update - Mycelium/Dash Partnership


https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-business-development-update-mycelium-dash-partnership.9804/

http://fintechist.com/mycelium-wallet-will-support-buying-selling-dash/

"This is rather good news for the eighth most valuable cryptocurrency in the world today. Over the past year,m the value of Dash has been soaring, spurring increased interest in this alternative cryptocurrency. The Mycelium developers have taken notice of this change and announced support for this currency in their upcoming October wallet release"

[someredguy]

its official that we are "Awesome technology"  

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/755909816766205952


EDIT : someone should start keeping record on the praises of famous ppl toward Dash that we can put on our banner or something.  its just awesome  

HOLY ****, congrats Dash

YAY !!!

McAfee for prez !!!

Ya, the current Bitcoin President died.

[TanteStefana2]

Happy 9 Day everyone!  LOL

Hey, I just want to direct everyone's attention to the new proposals being proposed.  There are several from the core team, and this one especially from QuantumExplorer:

https://www.dashwhale.org/p/anon-by-masternodes

QE just re-wrote the proposal to explain who exactly he/she is, what experience he/she has and what exactly will be delivered, as well as a clear explanation of the vision.  please take a second look if you've looked before.  I think you'll find it as fascinating as I did.

These proposals need everyone's attention, and participation by discussing the issues and finally, it would be great if MN voters could render their votes on the subject.  The whole list is here: https://www.dashwhale.org/budget

Thanks so much everyone!!

[stealth923]

Removed The DAO - and replaced with Dash, the original DAO

[Minotaur26]

Mycelium Becomes Largest Software Wallet to Integrate Dash

http://paymentweek.com/2016-7-21-mycelium-becomes-largest-software-wallet-to-integrate-dash-11060/

[Minotaur26]

Forklog (Russian)
Multicurrency purse Mycelium announced support for Dash

http://forklog.com/multivalyutnyj-koshelek-mycelium-anonsiroval-podderzhku-dash/

[Kienbui]

Mycelium Becomes Largest Software Wallet to Integrate Dash

http://paymentweek.com/2016-7-21-mycelium-becomes-largest-software-wallet-to-integrate-dash-11060/

Great! Thanks for hard work.

[busterzzz]

D10E Story from Bill Cassidy

I'm going to tell you a quick little story about how I became a part of something so awesome it's hard to explain in so many words. Because of that I will be using a whole bunch of photos and a super sweet video of some DASH guys buying John Mcafee a Soda from the Dash soda Machine.

https://youtu.be/q0gexrg4ED4

I flew out from Orange County California to San Francisco. Dan (aka Oaxaca), another DASH community member picked me up at the airport in his yellow 70 Mercedes which apparently was running on homemade vegetable oil. We were headed to his shop in Half Moon Bay to pick up the truck so we could haul the soda machine to the Marriott on Mission street in downtown San Francisco. Dan was kind enough to take the scenic route but it wasn't that impressive because we have the same type of landscape in Southern California.

We arrived at his shop and he was excited to show me what he did for a living. We've been interacting for over a year now online and this was the first time we actually met in person. I never knew what he did so I was interested to learn more. I wont go into much detail because I respect his privacy, but Dan roasts his own coffee beans and he has a huge machine that is taller than a 2 story building. I didn't get to see it work but it was pretty damn awesome. After Dan was done showing me his gig we got the truck and headed to his house to get the Soda Machine.  



We arrived at Dan's house and he introduced me to his dogs I was excited to see the soda machine though. He was stalling, not really but it seemed like it. My patience was wearing thin. Dan finally brought me to his Garage. He also finally agreed to be in a photo, although only half of his face.



We took the drive into the city I don't remember which way. We had to stop at a grocery store to get some extra soda's for the machine. I had only been to San Francisco one time but never in the downtown part of town. It was pretty active, crazy but Dan had a good feel for the place so I felt pretty comfortable. We arrived at the Marriott shipping and receiving bay and found a great French man who was pleased to help us unload it and drive it in with his handheld forklift.



Dan also agreed to be in another photo but only if it was really far away.



We go to setting up the machine I was thinking we would be out of there within an hour. We arrived with the machine at the Marriott around 3 pm. We didn't get out of there until 11:45 pm. Dan had two solutions for this thing to get going and neither of them worked. We ended up having to go to a computer store to buy a 150 dollar TPLink router thing. DASH Core developer MooCowMoo was kind enough to sit with us for hours on team viewer from I don't even know where getting Soda Machine up and running. We were determined to make it happen and we did make it happen and it felt really good. Dan also finally agreed to put his whole face in a photo, he's on the right in the khaki pants.



We left everything there for the nigh, laptop and all so we wouldn't have to go through the same stuff we had just gone through. Dan wasn't going to show up until later the next day so I had to be sure to get some sleep and get there early. I arrived at 6:45 am and got to work loading up the machine, running some tests, making sure everything worked good. It did, 3 times, but then we ran into some issues and moocowmoo was back at it again doing his magic. about an hour an a half later we had the soda machine up and running again with no issues for the rest of the day.
The soda machine was a big hit we sold 47 sodas total that day. A lot of people were interested in how it worked on the inside but it was super easy to explain because we had this computer monitor displaying the Dash InstantSend Transactions right next to the machine. The geeks loved it (sorry geeks for calling you geeks).



All and all it was a great day for the machine, we had a lot of fun. The rest of the Dash team was pretty busy doing what they could, but at the end of the day we all took the time to take a photo op in front of the machine.



(From left to right: Sean Ryan, Evan Duffield, Aaron (aka fiatflux), Dan (aka Oaxaca), Perry Woodin, and Me (Bill Cassidy)).
Oh and if you didn't watch the video here is John Mcafee getting his Soda at the DASH Soda Machine, but I highly advise you to watch that video.



And this is Good Bye, See ya later Soda machine. Hopefully you find a new home.



If you wanna learn more about DASH or get involved with the community join us on slack by getting your auto invite from here https://digitalcash.signup.team/

[stealth923]

DASH Soda Machine Goes to San Francisco D10E Conference, John Mcafee Calls it Fkn Awesome

https://steemit.com/steemit/@fkn/dash-soda-machine-goes-to-san-francisco-d10e-conference-john-mcafee-calls-it-fkn-awesome

Amazing what these guys are doing with Dash technology.

[TanteStefana2]

D10E Story from Bill Cassidy

I'm going to tell you a quick little story about how I became a part of something so awesome it's hard to explain in so many words. Because of that I will be using a whole bunch of photos and a super sweet video of some DASH guys buying John Mcafee a Soda from the Dash soda Machine.

https://youtu.be/q0gexrg4ED4

That's so cool, thanks for all the photos!  Hey, I gotta ask; What was Mr. McAfee talking about?  What kind of attack did he say those wallets are susceptible to?  I couldn't hear him.  Also, was he saying that deterministic wallets are easily hacked?

I mean, this is THE man to listen to regarding these types of issues  

Thanks again!  Just wish Daniel was in that picture as well, but still, that's a great picture

EDIT:  Oh wow, the wallet is asking him, during setup, to enter his seed key!  And most phones have key loggers on them, as it's a very common (according to McAfee) ailment.  So yah, why doesn't the wallet just GIVE you a seed key for recovery?  Doesn't Electrum do that?

[busterzzz]

D10E Story from Bill Cassidy

I'm going to tell you a quick little story about how I became a part of something so awesome it's hard to explain in so many words. Because of that I will be using a whole bunch of photos and a super sweet video of some DASH guys buying John Mcafee a Soda from the Dash soda Machine.

https://youtu.be/q0gexrg4ED4

That's so cool, thanks for all the photos!  Hey, I gotta ask; What was Mr. McAfee talking about?  What kind of attack did he say those wallets are susceptible to?  I couldn't hear him.  Also, was he saying that deterministic wallets are easily hacked?

I mean, this is THE man to listen to regarding these types of issues  

Thanks again!  Just wish Daniel was in that picture as well, but still, that's a great picture

EDIT:  Oh wow, the wallet is asking him, during setup, to enter his seed key!  And most phones have key loggers on them, as it's a very common (according to McAfee) ailment.  So yah, why doesn't the wallet just GIVE you a seed key for recovery?  Doesn't Electrum do that?

Yeah but electrum isn't on his phone - The issue is not specific to dash or even cryptocurrency so it doesn't really matter. The attack he speaks of can be used on bank accounts, social medias, bitcoin, litecoin, dogecoin, any coin that uses passwords, seeds, etc. If it can be keylogged he is convinced it can be hacked. He is also trying to sell a product though, so I wouldn't buy to much into his bullshit.

Daniel wasn't around for the Picture, Sarah took it so not much I could have really done there.

[TanteStefana2]

D10E Story from Bill Cassidy

I'm going to tell you a quick little story about how I became a part of something so awesome it's hard to explain in so many words. Because of that I will be using a whole bunch of photos and a super sweet video of some DASH guys buying John Mcafee a Soda from the Dash soda Machine.

https://youtu.be/q0gexrg4ED4

That's so cool, thanks for all the photos!  Hey, I gotta ask; What was Mr. McAfee talking about?  What kind of attack did he say those wallets are susceptible to?  I couldn't hear him.  Also, was he saying that deterministic wallets are easily hacked?

I mean, this is THE man to listen to regarding these types of issues  

Thanks again!  Just wish Daniel was in that picture as well, but still, that's a great picture

EDIT:  Oh wow, the wallet is asking him, during setup, to enter his seed key!  And most phones have key loggers on them, as it's a very common (according to McAfee) ailment.  So yah, why doesn't the wallet just GIVE you a seed key for recovery?  Doesn't Electrum do that?

Yeah but electrum isn't on his phone - The issue is not specific to dash or even cryptocurrency so it doesn't really matter. The attack he speaks of can be used on bank accounts, social medias, bitcoin, litecoin, dogecoin, any coin that uses passwords, seeds, etc. If it can be keylogged he is convinced it can be hacked. He is also trying to sell a product though, so I wouldn't buy to much into his bullshit.

Daniel wasn't around for the Picture, Sarah took it so not much I could have really done there.

Yah, he was also (or mostly) talking about how you have to enter your password/phrase.  But I don't see why we can't have a wallet like the trezor that jumbles up numbers so it can't be logged.  I think that's brilliant and should be done on a mobile Dash wallet ASAP.  The guy is right

[busterzzz]

D10E Story from Bill Cassidy

I'm going to tell you a quick little story about how I became a part of something so awesome it's hard to explain in so many words. Because of that I will be using a whole bunch of photos and a super sweet video of some DASH guys buying John Mcafee a Soda from the Dash soda Machine.

https://youtu.be/q0gexrg4ED4

That's so cool, thanks for all the photos!  Hey, I gotta ask; What was Mr. McAfee talking about?  What kind of attack did he say those wallets are susceptible to?  I couldn't hear him.  Also, was he saying that deterministic wallets are easily hacked?

I mean, this is THE man to listen to regarding these types of issues  

Thanks again!  Just wish Daniel was in that picture as well, but still, that's a great picture

EDIT:  Oh wow, the wallet is asking him, during setup, to enter his seed key!  And most phones have key loggers on them, as it's a very common (according to McAfee) ailment.  So yah, why doesn't the wallet just GIVE you a seed key for recovery?  Doesn't Electrum do that?

Yeah but electrum isn't on his phone - The issue is not specific to dash or even cryptocurrency so it doesn't really matter. The attack he speaks of can be used on bank accounts, social medias, bitcoin, litecoin, dogecoin, any coin that uses passwords, seeds, etc. If it can be keylogged he is convinced it can be hacked. He is also trying to sell a product though, so I wouldn't buy to much into his bullshit.

Daniel wasn't around for the Picture, Sarah took it so not much I could have really done there.

Yah, he was also (or mostly) talking about how you have to enter your password/phrase.  But I don't see why we can't have a wallet like the trezor that jumbles up numbers so it can't be logged.  I think that's brilliant and should be done on a mobile Dash wallet ASAP.  The guy is right

Agreed, and if we did do that he would probably love DASH that much more. Sorry for the sound, I did say turn up the video though

[TanteStefana2]

Agreed, and if we did do that he would probably love DASH that much more. Sorry for the sound, I did say turn up the video though

I don't have the best hearing in the world, too much rock and roll as a youngster ;P  So not your video's fault.  I sat and listened a few times and worked it out.  Yah, I think it could be a great selling point also, to have it be key logger resistant   You guys did a great job BTW   Nice salesmanship to Dan!

[stealth923]

Sell wall thats been there for months has been removed at 0.015 - strap on your rockets!!!