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[DARKHOLDER]

Atleast good buy wall on DASH at 0.01300

[Honest Tim]

good time to buy in DASH now.

Am buying some now - wont be long before we are back above $8

Do You think btc drop this week a little?

nope, up to $650 just before the w/e.

The Market would disagree :   https://cryptowat.ch/gemini/btcusd/2h

cool your boots........ today is but Tuesday.

[ddink7]

good time to buy in DASH now.

Am buying some now - wont be long before we are back above $8

Do You think btc drop this week a little?

nope, up to $650 just before the w/e.

The Market would disagree :   https://cryptowat.ch/gemini/btcusd/2h

cool your boots........ today is but Tuesday.

Definitely going to be interesting to see if it can head back up. I'm not convinced that the bull market is over quite yet.

We already saw 504 > 570 > 512, and 535 > 593 > 560, so it's certainly not inconceivable that this could be called a healthy correction.

[Otoh]

Atleast good buy wall on DASH at 0.01300

Indeed 

[qwizzie]

     

Edit : oh my, that buy wall almost doubled from 22K to 41.8K     

[iCEBREAKER]

CoinJoin: Combining Bitcoin Transactions to Obfuscate Trails and Increase Privacy

Schnorr signatures could allow for the aggregation of all signatures in a CoinJoin transaction into a single signature. This efficiency should result into lower transaction fees per input, and perhaps stimulate use of the most private and fungibility-friendly solution.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinjoin-combining-bitcoin-transactions-to-obfuscate-trails-and-increase-privacy-1465235087

Could these "Schnorr signatures" benefit DASH?

Before DASH may benefit from Schnorr signature aggregation (tree sigs), it will have to implement segregated witness.

When is DASH getting SEGWIT?

DASH can't just stagnate while Bitcoin adds Schnorr sigs, SEGWIT, CLTV/CSV, RBF, sidechains, payment channels, etc.

It will be obsolete long before Evolution is done.

[Comodore]

CoinJoin: Combining Bitcoin Transactions to Obfuscate Trails and Increase Privacy

Schnorr signatures could allow for the aggregation of all signatures in a CoinJoin transaction into a single signature. This efficiency should result into lower transaction fees per input, and perhaps stimulate use of the most private and fungibility-friendly solution.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinjoin-combining-bitcoin-transactions-to-obfuscate-trails-and-increase-privacy-1465235087

Could these "Schnorr signatures" benefit DASH?

Before DASH may benefit from Schnorr signature aggregation (tree sigs), it will have to implement segregated witness.

When is DASH getting SEGWIT?

DASH can't just stagnate while Bitcoin adds Schnorr sigs, SEGWIT, CLTV/CSV, RBF, sidechains, payment channels, etc.

It will be obsolete long before Evolution is done.

It will never happen. Bitcoin will always be behind. If you were not such a idiotic schill you could have seen what is dash fork of.

[qwizzie]

now we just need our little mermaid and we have our old troll-gang back 
come on ariel, i know yr reading this... give us a little sign of life 

[iCEBREAKER]

CoinJoin: Combining Bitcoin Transactions to Obfuscate Trails and Increase Privacy

Schnorr signatures could allow for the aggregation of all signatures in a CoinJoin transaction into a single signature. This efficiency should result into lower transaction fees per input, and perhaps stimulate use of the most private and fungibility-friendly solution.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinjoin-combining-bitcoin-transactions-to-obfuscate-trails-and-increase-privacy-1465235087

Could these "Schnorr signatures" benefit DASH?

Before DASH may benefit from Schnorr signature aggregation (tree sigs), it will have to implement segregated witness.

When is DASH getting SEGWIT?

DASH can't just stagnate while Bitcoin adds Schnorr sigs, SEGWIT, CLTV/CSV, RBF, sidechains, payment channels, etc.

It will be obsolete long before Evolution is done.

It will never happen. Bitcoin will always be behind. If you were not such a idiotic schill you could have seen what is dash fork of.

Bitcoin already has CLTV/CSV, RBF, and is soon getting SEGWIT.  Those functions allow sidechains and payment channels to be build out as a very high tps Layer 2.

DASH does not have CLTV/CSV, RBF, and is not soon getting SEGWIT.  DASH will not have sidechains or Lightning.

Given those facts, why do you say "Bitcoin will always be behind?"

I guess you meant to write "Dash will always be behind."

[ddink7]

     

Edit : oh my, that buy wall almost doubled from 22K to 41.8K      

That's a thing of beauty...but the last time we had a major "moving wall" put up, it shot the price up and then was withdrawn...and the price collapsed =(

Out of curiosity, why choose the 0.013 level to defend? Why not 0.014? Or just eat the 25k guy at 0.015 and defend that level? Or back off to 0.012 and get cheaper coins?

[qwizzie]

     

Edit : oh my, that buy wall almost doubled from 22K to 41.8K      

That's a thing of beauty...but the last time we had a major "moving wall" put up, it shot the price up and then was withdrawn...and the price collapsed =(

Out of curiosity, why choose the 0.013 level to defend? Why not 0.014? Or just eat the 25k guy at 0.015 and defend that level? Or back off to 0.012 and get cheaper coins?

I think this is more a defence wall, created to restore some confidence after that 25K sell order emerged and perhaps with the thought to create an upward trend again which got interrupted
when Bitcoin started to rise in price. It will perhaps slowly creep upwards, thereby driving other buy-orders up and i think there will be some patience in play to see if anyone else is interested in
taking that 25K sell order out. It could even have been created in anticipation of a higher Bitcoin price the coming weeks (just my 2 pennies of thought).

 

[ddink7]

     

Edit : oh my, that buy wall almost doubled from 22K to 41.8K      

That's a thing of beauty...but the last time we had a major "moving wall" put up, it shot the price up and then was withdrawn...and the price collapsed =(

Out of curiosity, why choose the 0.013 level to defend? Why not 0.014? Or just eat the 25k guy at 0.015 and defend that level? Or back off to 0.012 and get cheaper coins?

I think this is more a defence wall, created to restore some confidence after that 25K sell order emerged and perhaps with the thought to create an upward trend again which got interrupted
when Bitcoin started to rise in price. It will perhaps slowly creep upwards, thereby driving other buy-orders up and i think there will be some patience in play to see if anyone else is interested in
taking that 25K sell order out. It could even have been created in anticipation of a higher Bitcoin price the coming weeks (just my 2 pennies of thought).

 

I think you are absolutely right--and the intentions are noble!

At the same time, doesn't this send the message that we need a big whale to save us from the effects of a free market? A year ago, our only real competitor was Bitcoin, and it was a dinosaur. Today we have Eth and all its offspring, a resurgent Bitcoin that's testing out Lightning Network, and so forth. Competition is greater, and people are going to be scrutinizing the market very carefully when deciding where to invest. What happens when they see a few whales that have complete control of the price?

Also, I remember that moving wall last year...it moved with us well into the teens, and then the price took off...all the way up to 0.0245. Eight months later, the price was 0.0055. I fear what happens when people who might be interested at Dash at a lower price simply move on, and we miss out on organic growth due to a giant wall that effectively sets a floor to the price. (There are surely investors out there right now who believe that if BTC does come anywhere close to an ATH, 0.013 is way too high of a price for Dash. So they just move on instead of getting behind a wall that looks impenetrable.)

Yes, it's great right now. Yes, it's great to see the bleeding stop. But what about the long term? What about investors that take a look at the order book, say "Wow, that coin is hardcore manipulated by a few whales" and then move on?

Even for those who believe we need a buttress against the market's foibles, what happens when the $400,000 defending 0.013 is exhausted? Then there's nobody to defend 0.01, or 0.008...

Look at the order book on polo...2275 to get to 0.013...45299 to get to .01299...57453 to 0.007...61000 to get to 0.001. Nobody is placing any buys below 0.013, because why would they? Yet if that wall breaks, or gets pulled, then liquidity dries up instantly and it's flash crash time.

[Riseman]

     

Edit : oh my, that buy wall almost doubled from 22K to 41.8K      

That's a thing of beauty...but the last time we had a major "moving wall" put up, it shot the price up and then was withdrawn...and the price collapsed =(

Out of curiosity, why choose the 0.013 level to defend? Why not 0.014? Or just eat the 25k guy at 0.015 and defend that level? Or back off to 0.012 and get cheaper coins?

I think this is more a defence wall, created to restore some confidence after that 25K sell order emerged and perhaps with the thought to create an upward trend again which got interrupted
when Bitcoin started to rise in price. It will perhaps slowly creep upwards, thereby driving other buy-orders up and i think there will be some patience in play to see if anyone else is interested in
taking that 25K sell order out. It could even have been created in anticipation of a higher Bitcoin price the coming weeks (just my 2 pennies of thought).

 

I think you are absolutely right--and the intentions are noble!

At the same time, doesn't this send the message that we need a big whale to save us from the effects of a free market? A year ago, our only real competitor was Bitcoin, and it was a dinosaur. Today we have Eth and all its offspring, a resurgent Bitcoin that's testing out Lightning Network, and so forth. Competition is greater, and people are going to be scrutinizing the market very carefully when deciding where to invest. What happens when they see a few whales that have complete control of the price?

Also, I remember that moving wall last year...it moved with us well into the teens, and then the price took off...all the way up to 0.0245. Eight months later, the price was 0.0055. I fear what happens when people who might be interested at Dash at a lower price simply move on, and we miss out on organic growth due to a giant wall that effectively sets a floor to the price. (There are surely investors out there right now who believe that if BTC does come anywhere close to an ATH, 0.013 is way too high of a price for Dash. So they just move on instead of getting behind a wall that looks impenetrable.)

Yes, it's great right now. Yes, it's great to see the bleeding stop. But what about the long term? What about investors that take a look at the order book, say "Wow, that coin is hardcore manipulated by a few whales" and then move on?

Even for those who believe we need a buttress against the market's foibles, what happens when the $400,000 defending 0.013 is exhausted? Then there's nobody to defend 0.01, or 0.008...

Look at the order book on polo...2275 to get to 0.013...45299 to get to .01299...57453 to 0.007...61000 to get to 0.001. Nobody is placing any buys below 0.013, because why would they? Yet if that wall breaks, or gets pulled, then liquidity dries up instantly and it's flash crash time.

I think manipulation is an integral part of a free market. Every single crypto market has whales who control the price, even BTC. So these walls can be considered not only as "impenetrable price restriction" but also as a big player/investor wanting to buy or sell. They won't remain so impenetrable if BTC decides to move to $1000 or $100. They'll be either eaten or pulled.

[Otoh]

iceLosser's favorite political party make fools of themselves as usual by commenting on Cryoto 

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/06/07/front-national-seeks-bitcoin-ban-france/

[MasterMined710]

CoinJoin: Combining Bitcoin Transactions to Obfuscate Trails and Increase Privacy

Schnorr signatures could allow for the aggregation of all signatures in a CoinJoin transaction into a single signature. This efficiency should result into lower transaction fees per input, and perhaps stimulate use of the most private and fungibility-friendly solution.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinjoin-combining-bitcoin-transactions-to-obfuscate-trails-and-increase-privacy-1465235087

Could these "Schnorr signatures" benefit DASH?

Before DASH may benefit from Schnorr signature aggregation (tree sigs), it will have to implement segregated witness.

When is DASH getting SEGWIT?

DASH can't just stagnate while Bitcoin adds Schnorr sigs, SEGWIT, CLTV/CSV, RBF, sidechains, payment channels, etc.

It will be obsolete long before Evolution is done.

It will never happen. Bitcoin will always be behind. If you were not such a idiotic schill you could have seen what is dash fork of.

Bitcoin already has CLTV/CSV, RBF, and is soon getting SEGWIT.  Those functions allow sidechains and payment channels to be build out as a very high tps Layer 2.

DASH does not have CLTV/CSV, RBF, and is not soon getting SEGWIT.  DASH will not have sidechains or Lightning.

Given those facts, why do you say "Bitcoin will always be behind?"

I guess you meant to write "Dash will always be behind."

to each his own i guess. i prefer user freindly decentralized protocol level (soon to be free) instant transactions and mixing to inefficient centralized clunky 3rd party fee ridden layers subject to control/censorship. but that's just me, seems like a perfect fit for you. 

i also like the nice ~11% roi for running masternodes. like it or not DASH and a few others have become a global store of value that are not going away. i wish btc luck in all it's endeavors and hope and believe it will continue go up in value, i still hold a few .

[MasterMined710]

     

Edit : oh my, that buy wall almost doubled from 22K to 41.8K      

That's a thing of beauty...but the last time we had a major "moving wall" put up, it shot the price up and then was withdrawn...and the price collapsed =(

Out of curiosity, why choose the 0.013 level to defend? Why not 0.014? Or just eat the 25k guy at 0.015 and defend that level? Or back off to 0.012 and get cheaper coins?

i like 0.013. 0.013 is good.
never go 0.012. 0.012 is bad.
 

[iCEBREAKER]

CoinJoin: Combining Bitcoin Transactions to Obfuscate Trails and Increase Privacy

Schnorr signatures could allow for the aggregation of all signatures in a CoinJoin transaction into a single signature. This efficiency should result into lower transaction fees per input, and perhaps stimulate use of the most private and fungibility-friendly solution.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinjoin-combining-bitcoin-transactions-to-obfuscate-trails-and-increase-privacy-1465235087

Could these "Schnorr signatures" benefit DASH?

Before DASH may benefit from Schnorr signature aggregation (tree sigs), it will have to implement segregated witness.

When is DASH getting SEGWIT?

DASH can't just stagnate while Bitcoin adds Schnorr sigs, SEGWIT, CLTV/CSV, RBF, sidechains, payment channels, etc.

It will be obsolete long before Evolution is done.

It will never happen. Bitcoin will always be behind.

Bitcoin already has CLTV/CSV, RBF, and is soon getting SEGWIT.  Those functions allow sidechains and payment channels to be build out as a very high tps Layer 2.

DASH does not have CLTV/CSV, RBF, and is not soon getting SEGWIT.  DASH will not have sidechains or Lightning.

Given those facts, why do you say "Bitcoin will always be behind?"

to each his own i guess. i prefer user freindly decentralized protocol level (soon to be free) instant transactions and mixing to inefficient centralized clunky 3rd party fee ridden layers subject to control/censorship. but that's just me, seems like a perfect fit for you. 

i also like the nice ~11% roi for running masternodes. like it or not DASH and a few others have become a global store of value that are not going away. i wish btc luck in all it's endeavors and hope and believe it will continue go up in value, i still hold a few .

This interaction began with you asking an important question about Schnorr signatures.  I informed you about them, in the topical context of Dash's lacking SEGWIT functionality.

Not sure how you got from Schnorr sigs to some off-topic stuff about ChainAnchor.  Was that an attempt to deflect criticism of Dash not keeping up with Bitcoin's latest, Layer 2+ scaling enabling, features?

You should know why lack of Schnorr/tree signatures will cripple Dash, a coin based on CoinJoin/CoinShuffle type mixing.  Please don't lose sight of that key point in the rush to attack me.  Continue that line of inquiry.  If you are holding bags of DigitaltrASH, such questions will lead you to valuable, actionable information.

11% ROI is not sustainable in the real world.  You are a victim of a HYIP.  Google it.  There is a reason I call them MadoffNodes.

If it seems too good to be true (EG 11% ROI) it probably is.  TANSTAAFL.   

[arielbit]

now we just need our little mermaid and we have our old troll-gang back  
come on ariel, i know yr reading this... give us a little sign of life  

sorry i'm late.



how that's for a little sign of life?

haven't seen this picture in this thread for quite a while..since crypto coins / bitcointalk is lively again with people, mining, trading, speculating, investing etc...

a little reminder would help  

BTW i have updated your information here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.msg13200467#msg13200467...hey, can you ask renegademan to answer my question in this thread too, that guy responds always with a long story, maybe he could tell me what is his love at first sight story with darkcoin..

you are now a "legendary" loud mouth  

[toknormal]

New monero troll campaign i see.  

so 2015.......

Well, to be fair, when I got my kitchen ceiling repaired and paid for by Dash ROI I did think it a little "too good to be true". And now that I've banked a bit more ROI that's going towards one of these when they finally emerge, that seems a bit to good to be true as well.

(Although the "lunch" wasn't quite "free". I do remember forking over some BTC for the investment    )

Actually I think what the "boys" above are trying to express is that riding a pump-&-dump scam coin that doesn't even have a public blockchain to its name, such as the one they're trying to promote, can actually be a lot of fun !.

[ddink7]

New monero troll campaign i see.  

so 2015.......

Well, to be fair, when I got my kitchen ceiling repaired and paid for by Dash ROI I did think it a little "too good to be true". And now that I've banked a bit more ROI that's going towards one of these when they finally emerge, that seems a bit to good to be true as well.

(Although the "lunch" wasn't quite "free". I do remember forking over some BTC for the investment    )

Actually I think what the "boys" above are trying to express is that riding a pump-&-dump scam coin that doesn't even have a public blockchain to its name, such as the one they're trying to promote, can actually be a lot of fun !.

I thought you might be referring to a Tesla Model 3 until I clicked the link! Aim high!