[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[stealth923]

troll BS 1

troll BS 2

man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls  
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself  

Yes, yes..I'm a troll, Icebreaker's a troll and now solarminer is a troll. Anyone who criticises Dash at all is obviously a troll. Tell me, is Charlie Lee also a troll? Because he is also saying some horrible and nasty things about poor, harangued, hard-done-by Dash. Maybe you should put him on the ignore/troll list as well, just in case he decides to post a comment here?

Newbs get this: when the masternode sell-off begins it will already be too late for you to get out. You will wake up in the poor house. Ditch this shit now while you can still get a relatively high price for it.

Wow, Charlie Lee is Grade A troll.  Who knew?  

Who cares what this guy thinks?

His claim to fame was driven by:

CTRL-C
CTRL-P

And litecoin was born
He's not an innovator and apart from his mouth mouthing off, doesn't contribute that much

Weak privacy. Go on then Charlie you smart ass, Break a 8 round private send. Ohh that's right no one has to date, and you can't prove shit either. Break it or shut up litecoin fool.

How many XMR did you get paid to tweet that.

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[BrainShutdown]

Unfair instamined launch? like BTC and LTC? as in 3 or 4 people got the majority of the coins in the first weeks/months?

Semi-centralized? you mean like half-hole or something?

Weak privacy? strong words... no facts

Maybe you're more into beer or wine and that's ok

[iCEBREAKER]

Anyone who criticises Dash at all is obviously a troll. Tell me, is Charlie Lee also a troll? Because he is also saying some horrible and nasty things about poor, harangued, hard-done-by Dash. Maybe you should put him on the ignore/troll list as well, just in case he decides to post a comment here?

Newbs get this: when the masternode sell-off begins it will already be too late for you to get out. You will wake up in the poor house. Ditch this shit now while you can still get a relatively high price for it.

Who cares what this guy thinks?

His claim to fame was driven by:

CTRL-C
CTRL-P

And litecoin was born
He's not an innovator and apart from his mouth mouthing off, doesn't contribute that much

Apparently @WWhithauer cares what @SatoshiLite thinks.

That's why he asked coblee "what are your thoughts on DASH?"

CTRL-P?  Why would coblee print out the source code?  That’s real retarded, sir.

Oh, you must be thinking of CTRL-V, which is paste, but are too much of a non-1337 lamer dumbass to complete your deflection mission without screwing up your basic, unoriginal Hurr-Durr-Litecoin-is-just-a-clone talking point.

And let's not forget that DASH is also a copy-paste job, with zero original innovation.  Apart from scamming noobs, Duffield doesn't contribute that much.

Dash's chances of getting on Coinbase aren't looking great, TBH.

That reminds me, Scamanda BJ is another person who may care what coblee thinks, given her try-hard efforts to brigade the Coinbase poll.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/5lpete/coinbase_taking_votes_here_for_which_digital/

You realize coblee is Director of Engineering at Coinbase, right?  He's a computer scientist with an MIT+Google pedigree, and I bet he knows that CTRL-P doesn't Paste.   

[MasterMined710]

Charlie has recently been getting into anoncoins! He is so naughty! His assessment of a couple of them is presented here.

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/823679389401387009

Thanks for the link, I would have missed it, commented.

Unfortunately charlie lee is very misinformed about Dash....

He said "10 people mined a million coins in the first half hour".
Even the paid trolls know that's BS.

[toknormal]

Charlie Lee, not much care there. He is obviously such a power house of innovation............

He might have a point though. Maybe we should create a new coin..."the Charlie Lee way !":

 • start from scratch and dismiss the formally expressed community will to conserve it as an "original"
 • ditch the articulated protocol so...
 • no native network monetary value
 • interest on holdings
 • ...or incentivised nodes
 • ditch the idea of making crypto "user friendly" through the worlds first active-consensus based DAPI
 • ignore 10,000 years of monetary history which says that transparent fungibility is a high value monetary property and worth doing properly
 • forget the idea that a monetary "bearer instrument" (commonly known as "cash") ceases to be that unless the blockchain can scale natively
 • dismiss the problem of giving all 4 stakeholders a voice that allows them to assert their views on the asset's governance, instead of only bitcoin's 3

Only 1 problem to solve then - how would we gain any traction after creating Charlie Lee's "perfect cup of tea"  

Ah ! Get Evan's brother to list it on the world's biggest bitcoin exchange exclusive of any other altcoin - that should do it.

(Oops, Evan hasn't got such a brother - he might have to succeed on merit   But wait, @SatoshiLite has maybe we can use his He's a "fair" guy after all).

[wackyD]

Anyone who criticises Dash at all is obviously a troll. Tell me, is Charlie Lee also a troll? Because he is also saying some horrible and nasty things about poor, harangued, hard-done-by Dash. Maybe you should put him on the ignore/troll list as well, just in case he decides to post a comment here?

Newbs get this: when the masternode sell-off begins it will already be too late for you to get out. You will wake up in the poor house. Ditch this shit now while you can still get a relatively high price for it.

Who cares what this guy thinks?

His claim to fame was driven by:

CTRL-C
CTRL-P

And litecoin was born
He's not an innovator and apart from his mouth mouthing off, doesn't contribute that much

Apparently @WWhithauer cares what @SatoshiLite thinks.

That's why he asked coblee "what are your thoughts on DASH?"

CTRL-P?  Why would coblee print out the source code?  That’s real retarded, sir.

Oh, you must be thinking of CTRL-V, which is paste, but are too much of a non-1337 lamer dumbass to complete your deflection mission without screwing up your basic, unoriginal Hurr-Durr-Litecoin-is-just-a-clone talking point.

And let's not forget that DASH is also a copy-paste job, with zero original innovation.  Apart from scamming noobs, Duffield doesn't contribute that much.

Dash's chances of getting on Coinbase aren't looking great, TBH.

That reminds me, Scamanda BJ is another person who may care what coblee thinks, given her try-hard efforts to brigade the Coinbase poll.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/5lpete/coinbase_taking_votes_here_for_which_digital/

You realize coblee is Director of Engineering at Coinbase, right?  He's a computer scientist with an MIT+Google pedigree, and I bet he knows that CTRL-P doesn't Paste.   

Thanks for the correction - CTRL-P doesn't paste, you are correct!! 

He still isn't capable of original thought. He's a copy master. Director of Engineering - sure. I am CTO of wackyD enterprises - doesn't mean shit!

[toknormal]

Just to add, looks very much part of a soft marketing campaign by coinbase............'spontaneous' twitter exchange in the build up for coinbase adding XMR.

Well lets hope for the sake of my remaining XMR holdings it isn't already priced in

[UdjinM6]

Re Charlie Lee:
Unfair instamined launch... rrrrright...
That's really funny to hear from a guy who launched a coin with ~10000 blocks (~500.000 LTC) mined in the first 24h
https://twitter.com/UdjinM6/status/824212258695905284

Re SDC (to Solarminer):
It's not some 2nd tier tech, it's basically a colored coin (OP_RETURN) + ring sig, all on the same 1st tier nodes/blockchain. And it's yet another (custom) utxo which grows forever and can't be pruned (all txo are forever "unspent" there).

[MasterMined710]

Proposal: Conferences & Travel - ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/

This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.

"Dash will participate in the conference jointly with Coinfirm to present a combined offer for the gaming and gambling sector."

Are you removing mixing from 12.1 too?   Pretty much no point in mixing coins if Coinfirm is logging every transaction as mixed or unmixed.  Once merchants/exchanges only accept the unmixed transactions, whoops just killed mixing.

From what I understand, mixed transactions will be evaluated on a case by case risk assessment bases. That was the whole point of the partnership, so having mixed transactions would not be an acceptance problem. With all the new laws being pushed Dash may end up being the only anon coin accepted in regards to mainstream adoption. This is a good thing.

Good luck finding another anon coin that won't run afoul of the law. What is your solution?

Ok, but only since you asked.  
- Shadowcash has a two tiered network.  One set of addresses is completely transparent.  The other set is mixed.  You can transfer between the two layers and keep the first set looking like unmixed transactions.
- Maidsafe will do instant and anonymous without history that can be tracked.
- Zcoin has indicated they may change to do mixing 100% of the time and still have a transparent blockchain.   A much better solution to fungibility.  This still might get the flag - but at least all Zcoins would be worth the same.
- Zcash will have thunder - Like lightning.
- Lightning will enable mixing and instant transactions.  Looks like Litecoin may even be first with Bitcoin after.  The mixing happens off blockchain so it shouldn't be detected by Coinfirm.

So you are saying those coins will not be affected by these new laws they are pushing? That is what we are talking about. You just listed a bunch of coins and implementations that could probably be banned altogether because they have no plans to deal with compliance. Like i said..."Dash may end up being the only anon coin accepted in regards to mainstream adoption."

Do you not care about mainstream adoption? What plan do any of those coins have to be in compliance and not regulated to only darkmarket use if these new laws come into place? I'm sure Coinfirm will still offer risk assessment lighting or no lightning, just like with dash. Evolution will have new anon solutions as well, don't know how it will work yet though.

This discussion is all speculation right now anyways but unlike all the other coins you listed Dash has proactively taken steps to avoid these kind of problems.


Edit: I believe it was Evan that explained how the new evo anon solution worked in one of this recent interviews with amanda. Maybe someone could post it or i will try and find it later.

[toknormal]

- Shadowcash has a two tiered network.  One set of addresses is completely tra
nsparent.  The other set is mixed.  You can transfer between the two layers and keep the first set looking like unmixed transactions.
- Maidsafe will do instant and anonymous without history that can be tracked.
- Zcoin has indicated they may change to do mixing 100% of the time and still have a transparent blockchain.   A much better solution to fungibility.  This still might get the flag - but at least all Zcoins would be worth the same.
- Zcash will have thunder - Like lightning.
- Lightning will enable mixing and instant transactions.  Looks like Litecoin may even be first with Bitcoin after.  The mixing happens off blockchain so it shouldn't be detected by Coinfirm.

This illustrates a couple of significant points.

a. That every coin is going to support some kind of privacy or other and for that reason it's going to fade into the background as a USP soon

b. Of the above, Dash is the ONLY (yes, only) case that doesn't do it by either diversifying the coin supply into transparent/opaque = resulting in destruction of fungibility, the very thing you're trying to optimise - or with recourse to an offchain solution

i.e. it inherits the bitcoin model and supports on-chain transparent fungibility. Thats the cash model going back 10,000 years and the reason Dash could support it is because its network has a pro-active protocol that takes a holistic approach to mixing, rather than doing it transaction by transaction. i.e. it's organic and its privacy improves over time because all of the coin supply is subject to mixing on an ongoing basis. Even if you don't use the "private" option in your particular wallet, someone before you did and someone after you will. History is constantly being scrubbed, day after day.

The other beauty of this approach is that it's not centralised in the protocol. Hypothetically de-anonymise one transaction ? So what. You need to do it all again just to find one more. On the other hand, protocol-based obfuscation is an all or nothing math-based tightrope. You solve one problem and you've cracked the whole chain.

[toknormal]

We offered the core team the option to bid(with no minimum) on the slack that we built over 1000 users with 15,000 messages a week.   What did they bid?   No response.  Not even a we want it, but we don't want to pay.  Genius move.

I think the consensus was that that slack had become so toxic and conflicted that it wasn't worth a cent.

So as you correctly say...genius move

[MasterMined710]

Charlie has recently been getting into anoncoins! He is so naughty! His assessment of a couple of them is presented here.

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/823679389401387009

Thanks for the link, I would have missed it, commented.

Unfortunately charlie lee is very misinformed about Dash....

He said "10 people mined a million coins in the first half hour".
Even the paid trolls know that's BS.

Charlie lee's response to me on twitter was to link to known monero troll dnaleor's post which does not even back up his claim.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/824236353332219905?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email

Here are the facts charlie, I suggest reading the deep technical analysis if you want to really understand how everything went down...

My View: Dash’s Instamine Is Not A Problem
http://fintekneeks.com/my-view-dashs-pre-mine-is-not-a-problem/

Instamine FAQ
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Legacy+FAQ#LegacyFAQ-WasDashInstamined?

Was The Instamine A Positive Thing For Dash?
https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118

Deep technical analysis of the early mining and distribution
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg15619552#msg15619552

[110110101]

Wow, lots of hot air and little substance from some posters...
I guess it's soon Feb 5th!

1. Try to get the price down before the news of Feb 5th
2. Buy coins cheap
3. Sell after 12.1
4. ? ? ? ?
5. Profit!

or something to that effect

[afbitcoins]

Wait a minute. Rewind ... !!!!

Mixed coins are distinguishable from unmixed!? What? Can anyone share some more information about this?

I find this whole debate very disheartening to be honest. Its all about how can we comply with whatever fucking insane laws the psychopaths in charge dream up, rather than how can we do what we want privately if we choose.

[Otoh]

PSA: just taking down 50 masternodes for a P2P sale, Holger will have them back up shortly for their new owner

[afbitcoins]

It doesn't matter if you like Dash, Bitcoin or even Monero. The Dutch trying to crack down on privacy is a big thing. People attempting to keep their own private business private is nothing to do with the police of any country. Totalitarian superstate trying to edge ever closer to full control. This is something that should unite people from various breeds of crypto. Icebreaker are you with us?

I agree, but do we really have to take ol' Icy with us?  Can't we leave him at home?  Please?  We can sneak out when he's on the toilet, no?

Yes I think better to leave the icetroll out on second thoughts. His response to my same post doesn't dignify an answer.

[110110101]

PSA: just taking down 50 masternodes for a P2P sale, Holger will have them back up shortly for their new owner

Owner as in singular?
https://dash-news.de/dashtv/#value=50000

that's a handsome investment right there!

[Otoh]

PSA: just taking down 50 masternodes for a P2P sale, Holger will have them back up shortly for their new owner

Owner as in singular?
https://dash-news.de/dashtv/#value=50000

that's a handsome investment right there!

They're a consortium, but I just deal with one guy, he sent first for all 50 MNs, nice trust we have

[megges]

PSA: just taking down 50 masternodes for a P2P sale, Holger will have them back up shortly for their new owner

Owner as in singular?
https://dash-news.de/dashtv/#value=50000

that's a handsome investment right there!

They're a consortium, but I just deal with one guy, he sent first for all 50 MNs, nice trust we have

Please PSA us, when you start to buy back 50000 DASH for your portofolio which i guess is now 50000 DASH short XD

thanks in advance

[TanteStefana2]

Wait a minute. Rewind ... !!!!

Mixed coins are distinguishable from unmixed!? What? Can anyone share some more information about this?

I find this whole debate very disheartening to be honest. Its all about how can we comply with whatever fucking insane laws the psychopaths in charge dream up, rather than how can we do what we want privately if we choose.

Well, I think you'll be able to guess they are if they come from inputs of denominated amounts, like 10.001, 1.001 etc...  Despite a bunch of clueless gov people trying to stir up a stink, I don't think they'll get anywhere, LOL.  That plus a clueless reporter reporting.  In the end, it'll all be hot air when deeper minds make decisions.  I just laugh at these reports now.