[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[vytasz7]

last share holder list

[pabloangello]

last share holder list

Here it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=1

[l4p7]

how often is this updated https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0 ? I am not on there dispite my contribution:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4886653#msg4886653
Thanks in advance!

Anyone have an answer to this I did not get listed...

Maybe once in a day. For me it took over 24 hours ...

Still cant find my name on the list!?
See my contribution here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4886653#msg4886653

[pabloangello]

how often is this updated https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0 ? I am not on there dispite my contribution:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4886653#msg4886653
Thanks in advance!

Anyone have an answer to this I did not get listed...

Maybe once in a day. For me it took over 24 hours ...

Still cant find my name on the list!?
See my contribution here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4886653#msg4886653

Change the tab at the bottom of document.

[Chris001]

Quote from Hazard on Cryptolife



"Ever since coinvalidation was announced at the end of last year, it ignited a spark within the community to work on furthering anonymity within the bitcoin protocol. 3 months later, we have a few working samples. Do they actually solve the problem though? First, it might help to define what the problem is.

First off, there’s the issue of maintaining fungibility. Imagine going to the store and being told you can’t spend your money because at some point in the past, it was used in a drug deal. That’s exactly what the goal of coinvalidation is. Governments and other entities would be all over this sort of thing if it ever came to fruition, so it’s a very real threat. Since a currency can not functionally exist without fungibility, coinvalidation seeks to essentially destroy bitcoin in order to make a quick buck. To counter this threat, their data must be poisoned. This involves conducting transactions in such a way that sources and destinations of coins are muddied. "



Are we making sure NEM doesn't have to worry about this?

Is this already been talked about? Is this nothing to worry about? Anyone?

[gramufibus]

Quote from Hazard on Cryptolife



"Ever since coinvalidation was announced at the end of last year, it ignited a spark within the community to work on furthering anonymity within the bitcoin protocol. 3 months later, we have a few working samples. Do they actually solve the problem though? First, it might help to define what the problem is.

First off, there’s the issue of maintaining fungibility. Imagine going to the store and being told you can’t spend your money because at some point in the past, it was used in a drug deal. That’s exactly what the goal of coinvalidation is. Governments and other entities would be all over this sort of thing if it ever came to fruition, so it’s a very real threat. Since a currency can not functionally exist without fungibility, coinvalidation seeks to essentially destroy bitcoin in order to make a quick buck. To counter this threat, their data must be poisoned. This involves conducting transactions in such a way that sources and destinations of coins are muddied. "



Are we making sure NEM doesn't have to worry about this?

Is this already been talked about? Is this nothing to worry about? Anyone?

I'm not really worried either way.  TBH I really fail to see the point of trying to increase anonymity.  I get the logic for it, but also worry that it will hurt cryptocurrency's success and adoption over all.  For example the big MtGox heist gave crypto a bad reputation among the uneducated public that it must now fight to win back.  Whatever solution would really help NEM become an actual crytocurrency rather that just a crypto-commodity would be the best course in my opinion.

[TauMuon]

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1905706,00.html

Who is the master of spin?

Hmmm...

[Chris001]

Quote from Hazard on Cryptolife



"Ever since coinvalidation was announced at the end of last year, it ignited a spark within the community to work on furthering anonymity within the bitcoin protocol. 3 months later, we have a few working samples. Do they actually solve the problem though? First, it might help to define what the problem is.

First off, there’s the issue of maintaining fungibility. Imagine going to the store and being told you can’t spend your money because at some point in the past, it was used in a drug deal. That’s exactly what the goal of coinvalidation is. Governments and other entities would be all over this sort of thing if it ever came to fruition, so it’s a very real threat. Since a currency can not functionally exist without fungibility, coinvalidation seeks to essentially destroy bitcoin in order to make a quick buck. To counter this threat, their data must be poisoned. This involves conducting transactions in such a way that sources and destinations of coins are muddied. "



Are we making sure NEM doesn't have to worry about this?

Is this already been talked about? Is this nothing to worry about? Anyone?

I'm not really worried either way.  TBH I really fail to see the point of trying to increase anonymity.  I get the logic for it, but also worry that it will hurt cryptocurrency's success and adoption over all.  For example the big MtGox heist gave crypto a bad reputation among the uneducated public that it must now fight to win back.  Whatever solution would really help NEM become an actual crytocurrency rather that just a crypto-commodity would be the best course in my opinion.

I don't really care about anonymity either. I just want to make sure it's not needed. Is what Hazard is talking about a possibility? Governments taking coins from people?

[l4p7]

how often is this updated https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdDZ0amZpM00wQXhrR2lJM3pCOGRhNFE#gid=0 ? I am not on there dispite my contribution:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4886653#msg4886653
Thanks in advance!

Anyone have an answer to this I did not get listed...

Maybe once in a day. For me it took over 24 hours ...

Still cant find my name on the list!?
See my contribution here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg4886653#msg4886653

Change the tab at the bottom of document.

I did. I was on page 16 Thread 2... Not l4p7 there... 

[SBOSS]

Why all the haters?

NEM had the fairest IPO / distribution in digital currency.  What sockpuppet fiasco?  They did a census and only like a third of holders were inactive new accounts, but that doesn't make them sockpuppets.   This may surprise you but most people don't post on internet forums.  it's meaningless in a sense.  This forum is also full of 'tards and trolls, so that keeps even more people away.

As for a fiasco - 2000 to 3000 real stake holders versus 13 - 22 for NxT or 5 for BTC (Satoshi and the early adopters mined a crazy amount).  Where's the fiasco here?  NEM has one of the fairest IPOs to date.  

Oh I see, you must meant a fiasco by Altcoin community standards (or a lack thereof).  "How dare they have a fair launch, how dare they!?  Only scam coins and scam IPOs are tolerated here!"

[Lasmiranda]

Why all the haters?

NEM had the fairest IPO / distribution in digital currency.  What sockpuppet fiasco?  They did a census and only like a third of holders were inactive new accounts, but that doesn't make them sockpuppets.   This may surprise you but most people don't post on internet forums.  it's meaningless in a sense.  This forum is also full of 'tards and trolls, so that keeps even more people away.

As for a fiasco - 2000 to 3000 real stake holders versus 13 - 22 for NxT or 5 for BTC (Satoshi and the early adopters mined a crazy amount).  Where's the fiasco here?  NEM has one of the fairest IPOs to date.  

Oh I see, you must meant a fiasco by Altcoin community standards (or a lack thereof).  "How dare they have a fair launch, how dare they!?  Only scam coins and scam IPOs are tolerated here!"

NEM is entirely fair! But it appears to be normal that there are some haters ( as an indicator of a striking success) which want to discredit NEM.
 

[patmast3r]

Quote from Hazard on Cryptolife



"Ever since coinvalidation was announced at the end of last year, it ignited a spark within the community to work on furthering anonymity within the bitcoin protocol. 3 months later, we have a few working samples. Do they actually solve the problem though? First, it might help to define what the problem is.

First off, there’s the issue of maintaining fungibility. Imagine going to the store and being told you can’t spend your money because at some point in the past, it was used in a drug deal. That’s exactly what the goal of coinvalidation is. Governments and other entities would be all over this sort of thing if it ever came to fruition, so it’s a very real threat. Since a currency can not functionally exist without fungibility, coinvalidation seeks to essentially destroy bitcoin in order to make a quick buck. To counter this threat, their data must be poisoned. This involves conducting transactions in such a way that sources and destinations of coins are muddied. "



Are we making sure NEM doesn't have to worry about this?

Is this already been talked about? Is this nothing to worry about? Anyone?

I'm not really worried either way.  TBH I really fail to see the point of trying to increase anonymity.  I get the logic for it, but also worry that it will hurt cryptocurrency's success and adoption over all.  For example the big MtGox heist gave crypto a bad reputation among the uneducated public that it must now fight to win back.  Whatever solution would really help NEM become an actual crytocurrency rather that just a crypto-commodity would be the best course in my opinion.

I don't really care about anonymity either. I just want to make sure it's not needed. Is what Hazard is talking about a possibility? Governments taking coins from people?

You can be sure of one thing. If they can, they will.

I care a lot about anonymity and privacy and everyone else should as well imho. Right it's faik nothing that is being worked on or considered for NEM but I hope it will be in the future.

[freigeist]

I don't really care about anonymity either. I just want to make sure it's not needed. Is what Hazard is talking about a possibility? Governments taking coins from people?

You can be sure of one thing. If they can, they will.

I care a lot about anonymity and privacy and everyone else should as well imho. Right it's faik nothing that is being worked on or considered for NEM but I hope it will be in the future.

I care to I would like NEM to have an optional
anonymus untraceable real time messaging / transaction feature
implemented in the future.

[shaman2000]

this is just stupid, why are we even arguing if UP is for or against rape Nobody wants sockpockets even people with sockpockets would not want others to have sockpockets. What is being done is without question good no matter how u spin it. So please stop clogging this thread, clearly u will not change your view and u will not convince anyone. There is no point wasting anymore time on this.

+100000

Absolutly agree!!!

[pabloangello]

Why all the haters?

NEM had the fairest IPO / distribution in digital currency.  What sockpuppet fiasco?  They did a census and only like a third of holders were inactive new accounts, but that doesn't make them sockpuppets.   This may surprise you but most people don't post on internet forums.  it's meaningless in a sense.  This forum is also full of 'tards and trolls, so that keeps even more people away.

As for a fiasco - 2000 to 3000 real stake holders versus 13 - 22 for NxT or 5 for BTC (Satoshi and the early adopters mined a crazy amount).  Where's the fiasco here?  NEM has one of the fairest IPOs to date.  

Oh I see, you must meant a fiasco by Altcoin community standards (or a lack thereof).  "How dare they have a fair launch, how dare they!?  Only scam coins and scam IPOs are tolerated here!"

NEM is entirely fair! But it appears to be normal that there are some haters ( as an indicator of a striking success) which want to discredit NEM.
 

Yep that is true. I was present at launch of many many coins, and this IPO is the fairest so far. Trust the full member or check the past for your own.

[dodododi]

Why ll the haters?

NEM had the fairest IPO / distribution in digital currency.  What sockpuppet fiasco?  They did a census and only like a third of holders were inactive new accounts, but that doesn't make them sockpuppets.   This may surprise you but most people don't post on internet forums.  it's meaningless in a sense.  This forum is also full of 'tards and trolls, so that keeps even more people away.

this really kind of sucks because I browse the site fairly often but I so rarely log in if ever because I feel like I have nothing to contribute.when the next people did a wallet out and start working on some better plans and I might Login more.  as it is I pretty much just log in from my phone when I'm sitting somewhere and not having to take care of my family.  since typing on my phone  is very very obnoxious I have even less desire to login

[bit-bit]

Interesting idea

[crackerhead]

Hey NEM community, I started up a crowdfunding type website for NEM projects

Check it out here: fund.nemcoin.com

Obviously NEM "coins" don't exist yet, but we all know people have great ideas of how to use NEM in the future.
There's a lot of ideas about 100 pages back that I can't find, but if anyone can point them out to me, I'll create a campaign for it.
This website is still a work in progress, I am more interested in getting ideas together than I am interested in making the site look pretty, at this point.

To join:
Simply register an account, and you can pledge some of your future NEM to a great cause.
If you want to create your own project, PM me your email address that you used to sign up at fundNEM, and I'll upgrade your account.

[overthetop2011]

Why all the haters?

NEM had the fairest IPO / distribution in digital currency.  What sockpuppet fiasco?  They did a census and only like a third of holders were inactive new accounts, but that doesn't make them sockpuppets.   This may surprise you but most people don't post on internet forums.  it's meaningless in a sense.  This forum is also full of 'tards and trolls, so that keeps even more people away.

As for a fiasco - 2000 to 3000 real stake holders versus 13 - 22 for NxT or 5 for BTC (Satoshi and the early adopters mined a crazy amount).  Where's the fiasco here?  NEM has one of the fairest IPOs to date.  

Oh I see, you must meant a fiasco by Altcoin community standards (or a lack thereof).  "How dare they have a fair launch, how dare they!?  Only scam coins and scam IPOs are tolerated here!"

exactly, posting for the sake of posting does not really mean your active, it means you talk alot....sometimes for no particular reason. One of the things that stops me posting on the bitcointalk forums is a lot of people have their own agendas. Some speak highly of a coin to get you to buy it, some trash it to get you to sell it...they all just to make money out of you. It is hard to know who to trust now.

That is the point.
 

[amdfxman1701]

I don't understand why people feel entitled to have more than 1 stake. Be happy with the one you got. There are many more who missed out. I understand that maybe rules could have been clearer, but they were implied.

We live in such a self-entitled world.