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Author Topic: 1GH/s, 20w, $500 — Butterflylabs, is it a scam?  (Read 116501 times)
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October 28, 2011, 07:50:26 PM
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Is there some other address than that restaurant?  I mean, I've actually eaten there, so I've been inside, though I admittedly was not looking for FPGA's at the time. Smiley


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October 28, 2011, 08:03:59 PM
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Is there some other address than that restaurant?  I mean, I've actually eaten there, so I've been inside, though I admittedly was not looking for FPGA's at the time. Smiley



  They keep them on the spice rack..


  Btw, just noticed your map reminds me of playing on MuDs..??  Ever played any?  I used to program for an LPC Mud(highly modified).

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October 28, 2011, 08:06:22 PM
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So I just walked across the street to closer inspect it.  Zaina is 25 Walnut Ste 105 and the Lofts are just 25 Walnut. 

Here's a couple pictures.  There is no way into the lofts without an access card and it does not look in any way, shape or form setup for any business.  No intercom on the outside, etc...

Zaina dose not serve FPGA's, for bitcoin or otherwise.




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Btw, just noticed your map reminds me of playing on MuDs..??  Ever played any?  I used to program for an LPC Mud(highly modified).

Haha yeah, I played in quite a few MUDs and MOO's in the late 80's and early 90's.  I can't recall any of the names off the top of my head, though... wasn't ever into them that big, I was always trying to get on the terminals in the lab to play Nettrek and the like.

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November 03, 2011, 01:28:53 AM
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Actually -could- be legit. luke from eligius pool (he owns the pool) threw up a picture of the fpga miner. It was in a temp directory on his site so I copied it to my dropbox before it got taken down.

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November 03, 2011, 01:41:20 AM
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Looks fake to me.

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November 03, 2011, 01:43:07 AM
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Looks fake to me.

  Looks great except the chips. Something. strange.  Possibly blurred to mask their idents or custom built and requested to be blanks?

  Fake or not, I'm willing to waste the whole few seconds a day to check in on it. Just in case.  Tongue

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November 03, 2011, 10:17:34 AM
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Looks pretty much as I'd expect, except for the lack of markings on the main chips. The key question is whether they'll be able to supply these in quantity at the price they're quoting.

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November 03, 2011, 12:54:30 PM
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In case anyone is still seriously thinking of sending money to these folks, consider this. Any business operating in the state of Missouri has to be registered with the state corporation commission. Missouri needs to know your real identity and a physical address so they can be sure you pay your taxes. ALL legitimate businesses are registered with the state.

Butterfly Labs Inc. is not registered with the state of Missouri. You can look it up yourself.

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/CSearch.asp?dtm=322696759259259

Seriously people, don't willingly become the victim of a scammer. The more people take the bait on this sort of thing, the more scammers will appear. Knowledge is power.

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November 03, 2011, 12:59:04 PM
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Looks great except the chips. Something. strange.  Possibly blurred to mask their idents or custom built and requested to be blanks?
I've personally taken pictures of the internals of a good many embedded boards. I don't notice anything abnormal about this one.

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November 03, 2011, 01:01:25 PM
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I thought that there is a Canary doing the testing? Smiley
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November 03, 2011, 01:07:09 PM
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Looks great except the chips. Something. strange.  Possibly blurred to mask their idents or custom built and requested to be blanks?
I've personally taken pictures of the internals of a good many embedded boards. I don't notice anything abnormal about this one.

   Is it common for there not not be, at the least, a lot #, run # or ver # on the chips?  Imho, its legit, but, I still maintain that it's strange to have 0 markings.  Which is why I added the '?' about it being blurred or possibly intentional nondescript surface.

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November 03, 2011, 01:19:15 PM
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Is it common for there not not be, at the least, a lot #, run # or ver # on the chips?
Pretty common, yes. But I don't think those silver things are chips-- they look more like the metal "casing" which contain chips. (I don't know the purpose of the casing, but I've seen it in a lot of devices)

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November 03, 2011, 01:37:38 PM
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Is it common for there not not be, at the least, a lot #, run # or ver # on the chips?
Pretty common, yes. But I don't think those silver things are chips-- they look more like the metal "casing" which contain chips. (I don't know the purpose of the casing, but I've seen it in a lot of devices)

  Yea, intel chips have it. I am aware of the component nature. Maybe they added the casing for the purpose of masking the chips. *shrugs*

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November 03, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
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They are heatspreaders. It kinda make sense not to pay for lasering text on them if you are ordering a test batch.

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November 03, 2011, 01:50:46 PM
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They are heatspreaders. It kinda make sense not to pay for lasering text on them if you are ordering a test batch.

  Yea, cost would be a very good reason. thanks. Wish they'd get to showing some live tests of hashing........

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November 03, 2011, 02:16:32 PM
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They are heatspreaders. It kinda make sense not to pay for lasering text on them if you are ordering a test batch.

  Yea, cost would be a very good reason. thanks. Wish they'd get to showing some live tests of hashing........

Live testing? How is a nonexistent company going to produce a real product?
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November 03, 2011, 02:27:22 PM
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You guys are hillarious.

An FPGA or structured ASIC would already have an etched heatspreader.

A fully custom ASIC would be in the range of millions of dollars.  So a couple guys living above a restaurant working for a corporation which isn't registered in the state got a million dollar run of a custom ASIC just for bitcoin mining and they just hapen to kill their yields by not marking any of the chips.  

Every chip would be etched even prototypes.  Period.  It helps in yield optimization.  Every square mm on a wafer is valuable.  A company may find their overall yield is 92% but in the upper right corner of the wafers on line #7 the yield is 28%.  Finding and fixing the cause could add millions to the bottom line. No way you are going to discover that without accurately tracking each chip from masking all they way through final production and analyzing all your failures.

So I say again "You guys are hillarious".  A company which can afford a custom ASIC run decided to save a quarter penny by not laser etching them (which would be part of any contracted run to begin with).  Roll Eyes
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November 03, 2011, 03:08:08 PM
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Looks great except the chips. Something. strange.  Possibly blurred to mask their idents or custom built and requested to be blanks?
I've personally taken pictures of the internals of a good many embedded boards. I don't notice anything abnormal about this one.

So are you saying you actually took this picture yourself?

Also, not necessarily definitive, but that board in the picture does not match the PCB schematic at all.

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
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November 03, 2011, 03:28:18 PM
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Looks great except the chips. Something. strange.  Possibly blurred to mask their idents or custom built and requested to be blanks?
I've personally taken pictures of the internals of a good many embedded boards. I don't notice anything abnormal about this one.

So are you saying you actually took this picture yourself?
No. Just other devices (EFIKA MX, many various cable modems, ...)

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November 03, 2011, 03:33:43 PM
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Looks great except the chips. Something. strange.  Possibly blurred to mask their idents or custom built and requested to be blanks?
I've personally taken pictures of the internals of a good many embedded boards. I don't notice anything abnormal about this one.

So are you saying you actually took this picture yourself?

Also, not necessarily definitive, but that board in the picture does not match the PCB schematic at all.

  Umm, it matchs this exactly;  Edit; or nearly exactly, since it is possible some minor changes could have been made.

  

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