1GH/s, 20w, $500 — Butterflylabs, is it a scam?

[sadpandatech]

(I think I just got trolled)

OT warning;
  Where's our hard drives!? http://www.sewp.nasa.gov/addins/hot_topic/2011/hard_disk_shortage_more.shtml
 
  Are people ok over there? Have not seen news on it here.
 

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[notme]

As per one of my other posts did you look at the shadows on the chips in this picture? Not to mention if that iron is hot (which I use a similar one all the time) I would not be taking my eye off it as they leave one heck of a burn. I deal with testing and certification of solar panels so I know all about ligthing and I do not see any possible objects that would create the shadows in this picture.

Obviously there is more than one light source in the picture, hence any kind of shadow weirdness you might be seeing.

You guys have too much time on your hands.  Can we just wait and see what happens?

[P4man]

6.5 of 20 coins sent to Inaba.
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The only reason why I had the 20 bitcoins on this computer was because I use them to top up my phone credit at www.bahtcoin.com

. I have over $13,000 in bitcoin equipment right now and do not want to put more cash into it.
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LMAO.
I thought it was going to take at least 100 BTC  to prove you are just full of shit. But just 10 BTC did the trick!
Well, technically, 20 I suppose as that other guy put in 10 as well. Doesnt really matter if I win the bet or not, I already won. Hilarious.

"i will make a bet with butterfly laps or one of its supporters up to $10,000 us dollars"
"i would give 10k to a trusted escrow site "
"I will pay $1000 in bitcoin to get this butterfly fluffer on video tape assuming he shows his ID as well!"
"I will pay 10% of any ones costs to buy any of this guys products just for the fucking lulz. "
"$10000? Okay, I will pledge I will pay $10000 in cash on site or in bitcoin for this product if it works. After it is tested! I am well know in the KC area and known to have the cash on hand if needed. "

When push comes to shove, you struggle coughing up 6.5 BTC. And my guess is you you have yet to mine the rest.

[RandyFolds]

Obviously there is more than one light source in the picture, hence any kind of shadow weirdness you might be seeing.

I know there is more than one light source and I fully understand the implications. I work with SOLAR PANELS and deal with some very unique light sources myself. I am saying that the shadows on the two boards she is supposedly working on still do not add up. And yes I have dealt with multiple light sources and do on a regular basis. Specifically the shadows I mentioned are unlikely to occur given the arrangement of lights shown in the photo. and would require certain lighting conditions.

Again even if the picture was unaltered the boards could be dummy boards but I admit that they do appear similar to the other pictures listed in thius forum and on the website. This lends some apparent credibility to their case but if you were running a scam would you release any photo that would discredit you? No. If the photo appears legit to you its because it's supposed to.

If they grant a tour and testing session to the user across the road from their so called office in the welfare lofts then I might give them more credit but they have yet to do so.

If you work with SOLAR PANELS you work with the least unique light source of them all; THE SUN. The shadows seen in the picture would require bright, directed light. There is no way anyone would have that on their workbench.

[bulanula]

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

[BFL]

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

[bulanula]

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

So far you have delivered 0 products and 0 proof. I think it is sorted. Why not give us definitive proof so we can stop this betting and spamming on the forums ? That's right, because you have none.

[bittenbob]

If you work with SOLAR PANELS you work with the least unique light source of them all; THE SUN. The shadows seen in the picture would require bright, directed light. There is no way anyone would have that on their workbench.

Least unique light source.... hahahaha.

Actually the sun is the most unique light source seeing as there is only one but thats not all I work with. I work with halogens, LEDs (built a custom 150W LED lamp myself), arc lamps, metal halides and high pressure sodium bulbs. If you are working on electronics then you are going to want a bright light, especially if you don't see too well (the glasses). That in itself is not unbelievable. You really are naive if you think someone that tests and certifies solar panels is only going to use the sun as a source of light.

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Forgot to add custom UV lighting too. Built a custom 2kW UV setup just this week. Point is that I know a lot about unique light sources.

You are not necessarily disagreeing with me as I said some of the shadows would have to be caused by light sources around desk height.

[bittenbob]

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

Of course you would like us to stop pointing out the flaws in your scam. Of course you would be glad if we believed you so that more suckers would send you money that you are going to run away with. Like the person above me says, provide proof that can be independently verified. Until then you are a liar.

[ElectricMucus]

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

omg you're dumb.

[bulanula]

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

omg you're dumb.

Me ?

[Turbor]

He who laughs last laughs longest...

[ElectricMucus]

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

omg you're dumb.

Me ?

Well actually admitting the scam before it went through is dumb, so no not you.

[Turbor]

So which scam are you talking about ? Who has lost money so far ? I only hear a bunch of people calling BFL repeatdedly a liar and a scam.

[DeathAndTaxes]

So which scam are you talking about ? Who has lost money so far ? I only hear a bunch of people calling BFL repeatdedly a liar and a scam.

A scam isn't like Schrödinger's cat it is possible the scam already exists even though people won't be victims till later.

Bernie Madoff's scam was still a scam even while people hadn't lost anything ... YET.

[ElectricMucus]

So which scam are you talking about ? Who has lost money so far ? I only hear a bunch of people calling BFL repeatdedly a liar and a scam.

Read the whole thread and then post your own opinion. In case you have missed it, there are so many discrepancies already discovered that the case could have been closed.

Recap for you: Faked lobby photos, faked product photos, impossible to work pcb layout, no way of contact and much more. You are either gullible or a troll, so some mystery remains...

[P4man]

Well actually admitting the scam before it went through is dumb, so no not you.

Not biting sarcasm is hardly proof of intelligence  

BFL have shown as much, if not more as most companies would at this stage. If you dont believe them, fine, then dont, and dont order. They dont owe you any more proof.  This competition of who shouts the loudest that its a scam is getting tedious. And you all lost anyway, since Goat takes that prize.

[ElectricMucus]

Well actually admitting the scam before it went through is dumb, so no not you.

Not biting sarcasm is hardly proof of intelligence  

BFL have shown as much, if not more as most companies would at this stage. If you dont believe them, fine, then dont, and dont order. They dont owe you any more proof.  This competition of who shouts the loudest that its a scam is getting tedious. And you all lost anyway, since Goat takes that prize.

If I would have a serious product I did put months of work and tons of money in it I certainly wouldn't act sarcastic. No I would do everything I can to debunk claims who ought to discredit me and be as straight forward, honest, open and give as much information as I am able to.
Maybe that's just me, but I doubt it...

[Turbor]

He never really had a chance. He was a scam from the start. I hope he can silence all the badmouther with a great product.

[ElectricMucus]

I hope so too.