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Author Topic: 1GH/s, 20w, $500 — Butterflylabs, is it a scam?  (Read 116627 times)
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November 06, 2011, 09:51:44 PM
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Anyone familiar with VIA's newer C7 tech, where they have sha-1, sha-256, and other crypto capabilities designed into the processers?
cpuminer already supports VIA Padlock (http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/padlock/hardware.jsp) extensions. In theory, VIA Padlock should improve performance, but VIA x86 architecture is such crap compared to Intel/AMD that Padlock cannot make up the difference and it ends up being a wash.

https://github.com/jgarzik/cpuminer/blob/master/sha256_via.c
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November 06, 2011, 10:02:10 PM
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Anyone familiar with VIA's newer C7 tech, where they have sha-1, sha-256, and other crypto capabilities designed into the processers?
cpuminer already supports VIA Padlock (http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/padlock/hardware.jsp) extensions. In theory, VIA Padlock should improve performance, but VIA x86 architecture is such crap compared to Intel/AMD that Padlock cannot make up the difference and it ends up being a wash.

https://github.com/jgarzik/cpuminer/blob/master/sha256_via.c

   Thanks. Yea, I read VIA's info on it. I kinda figured their implementation in their existing chips would be capped by the x86 arch. What I am curious about is if their design methods are known and how usefull it would be if it could be expanded to an entire chip.?

  I had no idea jgarzik had done a sha256_via implemented into the miner. That is pretty damn nifty. i'll tell you, the hardcore devs, hardware hackers and other brilliant minds around here impress me more every day!


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November 06, 2011, 11:55:32 PM
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Anyone familiar with VIA's newer C7 tech, where they have sha-1, sha-256, and other crypto capabilities designed into the processers?
cpuminer already supports VIA Padlock (http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/padlock/hardware.jsp) extensions. In theory, VIA Padlock should improve performance, but VIA x86 architecture is such crap compared to Intel/AMD that Padlock cannot make up the difference and it ends up being a wash.

https://github.com/jgarzik/cpuminer/blob/master/sha256_via.c

   Thanks. Yea, I read VIA's info on it. I kinda figured their implentation in their existing ships would be capped by the x86 arch. What I am curious about is if their design methods are known and how usefull it would be if it could be expanded to an entire chip.?

  I had no idea jgarzik had done a sha256_via implented into the miner. That is pretty damn nifty. i'll tell you, the hardcore devs, hardware hackers and other brilliant minds around here impress me more every day!


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November 07, 2011, 12:48:08 AM
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I still don't believe it, with the original, "Who would price something at a quarter of what the market will bear?"

The answer is either they are scamming, or are business mongoloids.
It's not exactly a clear must-buy even at the current price they're offering it for, though - buying new mining hardware has been hard to justify for a while. If they sold it at a hefty premium to the cost of GPUs then I'm not convinced they'd get that many takers, and if this is genuine then they pretty much need all the volume they can get in order to push their component prices down to non-absurd levels.

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November 07, 2011, 02:17:26 AM
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I still don't believe it, with the original, "Who would price something at a quarter of what the market will bear?"

The answer is either they are scamming, or are business mongoloids.
It's not exactly a clear must-buy even at the current price they're offering it for, though - buying new mining hardware has been hard to justify for a while. If they sold it at a hefty premium to the cost of GPUs then I'm not convinced they'd get that many takers, and if this is genuine then they pretty much need all the volume they can get in order to push their component prices down to non-absurd levels.

Everyone knows that ASICs and FPGAs are coming and are going to change the game. These guys are the first ones out the door with a nice clean package (not to detract from the other projects, but they all look like experiments in progress). It is a must buy at that price. 20 - yes, twenty - 10+10 - 5+5+5+5 watts. That beats the hell out of the 670w that I am drawing from the wall for the same speed. You do understand that electricity is the prohibitive cost in mining, right?

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November 07, 2011, 02:21:34 AM
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RandyFolds seems overly supportive of the whole thing. Could this be a sockpuppet troll of his?  Grin

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November 07, 2011, 02:22:38 AM
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I would love to buy it when it is out too.
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November 07, 2011, 02:25:47 AM
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RandyFolds seems overly supportive of the whole thing. Could this be a sockpuppet troll of his?  Grin


I still don't believe it, with the original, "Who would price something at a quarter of what the market will bear?"

The answer is either they are scamming, or are business mongoloids.

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November 07, 2011, 02:42:05 AM
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Alright you're off the hook... for now  Cheesy

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November 07, 2011, 03:18:37 AM
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Alright you're off the hook... for now  Cheesy

Or am I just in it for the long con? I wouldn't want my sockies blown out of the water now, would I?

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November 07, 2011, 09:42:26 AM
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As real as this seems I would not see anyone doing this simply because there is not much $$$ to be made from this. Even at 100 orders of $ they can only raise about $50 000 which surely would not be enough to pay all the manufacturing and employees etc.
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November 07, 2011, 07:08:45 PM
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I will give 100 US dollar bounty paid in the currant rate of bitcoin to get this scammer, I mean engineer, on tape selling his product. I already have 53 people on tape entering this building and odds are this guy is one of seven.

 I will pay out 50$ in bitcoin just to get a confirmation on his ID.

I will pay 250$ in bitcoin if anyone can lead to this guys arrest and if he gets more than 10 days in jail.

If he does a year or more (in jail) I will pay the electricity of an 5970 for a year and the guy who gets him will get all the bitcoin output.

Also, I am still waiting for the penis enlargement pills I ordered/ Offer to video tape your presentation and upload it at my cost!!!






Not saying it isn't a scam, but how much crow do you promise to eat if it turns out to be true?
I think an appropriate amount would be 10 units at full price.

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November 07, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
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Would anyone care to act as a trusted 3rd party escrow for this gentleman?

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November 07, 2011, 07:32:08 PM
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This thread is getting ridiculous. Bottom line is that the claims are bold, but not impossible, and it doesnt look like a simple scam, though until proven otherwise, its clear the claims may be... optimistic.

As for the price being too low; without knowing their fixed and variable costs,  or their capacity, you cant conclude anything from it. Its not because "the market would bare more", that their pricing is per se nonsensical; their business plan may require volumes they wouldnt reach at the maximum price "the market would bare". In fact, such an approach makes perfect sense, if you would invest a non trivial amount in such a product, knowing that a competitor with a better product might make your product almost unsellable in 12 or 6 months or less. You would want to sell as much as you can, rather than sell for as much as you can.

So why doesnt everyone just take a deep breath and wait to see what happens.

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November 07, 2011, 07:35:13 PM
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anxiously awaiting to see if this is legit, if it is, I will be buying.

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November 07, 2011, 07:37:23 PM
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anxiously awaiting to see if this is legit, if it is, I will be buying.

IF it is legit, I will be selling.
My GPU's as fast as I can.

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November 07, 2011, 07:49:49 PM
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I will give 100 US dollar bounty paid in the currant rate of bitcoin to get this scammer, I mean engineer, on tape selling his product. I already have 53 people on tape entering this building and odds are this guy is one of seven.

 I will pay out 50$ in bitcoin just to get a confirmation on his ID.

I will pay 250$ in bitcoin if anyone can lead to this guys arrest and if he gets more than 10 days in jail.

If he does a year or more (in jail) I will pay the electricity of an 5970 for a year and the guy who gets him will get all the bitcoin output.

Also, I am still waiting for the penis enlargement pills I ordered/ Offer to video tape your presentation and upload it at my cost!!!






You really don't have anything better to do with your time and money than film people going into a mixed-zoning building? Goddamn, son, start doing something productive with your time.

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November 07, 2011, 08:10:36 PM
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Oh god... you guys woke up Goat.  Prepare for this thread to dissolve into utter lunacy.
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November 07, 2011, 09:06:39 PM
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 Roll Eyes time for your pills !  Tongue

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November 07, 2011, 09:11:31 PM
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by the way, im a kansas city missouri guy, also, i can pay in silver, gold or us dollars in the kansas city area in 24 hours for any reasonable bet if need be!

god bless!

We need more people like you here with the amount of scammers in this community. Hopefully this turns out to be real Smiley Grin
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