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Author Topic: [ANN] [HVC] Heavycoin - Ultra-secure, Decentralized Block Reward Voting, Fast  (Read 541741 times)
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May 25, 2014, 03:20:15 PM
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Pool hash rates and miners
pool
rate (Mh/s)*
delta***
% of network
miners**
   rate/miner
fee (%)
payout
http://hvc.1gh.com/
12,183.00
1,255.99
60.68
1
RBPPS
http://heavycoin.zhpool.com/
7,798.20
1,060.90
38.84
140.9
55.35
1
PPLNS
http://heavycoin.miningpoolhub.com/
82.49
-34.84
0.41
2.9
28.44
1
PROP
http://hvc.nonce-pool.com/
12.93
-1.27
0.06
7.4
38.4
1
PPLNS
total
20,076.62
2,280.78
99.99
* due to rate variability displayed through pool statistics pages, rates are based on average of 10 samples over the past hour
** miner count for 1gh unavailable
*** Delta since last update


Block Progression and Pool Luck

last 24h
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
hash avg
11,613.42
45.15
7,621.82
72.16
blocks
561
2
350
1
hash %
60.01
0.23
39.38
0.37
blocks %
61.38
0.22
38.29
0.11
luck %
102.30
93.80
97.20
29.30
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|
|
|
|
|
|
last 7d
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
hash avg
10,442.03
30.48
9,385.97
483.17
blocks
2,940
6
2,380
76
hash %
51.33
0.15
46.14
2.38
blocks %
54.42
0.11
44.06
1.41
luck %
106.02
74.13
95.48
59.23

1gh Top stats
Top 100Mhash/s|Top 10Mhash/s
Total:12,278.20|Total:6,782.07
Mean rate:122.78|Mean rate:678.21
Median rate:37.40|Median rate:721.21
Mode(10) rate:0|Mode(100) rate:200
% of pool:100.8%|% of pool:55.7%
% of network:61.2%|% of network:33.8%

Pool voting


Mining (indicative, not authoritative!)
payoff per Mhash/s / dayideal solo
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
HVC27.35624
27.36
19.13
24.64
15.28
mBTC0.12283
0.12
0.09
0.11
0.07
USD0.06449
0.06
0.05
0.06
0.04
pool take/day
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
HVC
2,885.40
5.89
2,335.80
74.59
BTC
0.01
0.00
0.01
0.00
USD
6.80
0.01
5.51
0.18
Based on last 7 days performance and... block reward: HVC687 | mBTC/HVC: 0.00449 | USD/BTC: $525

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May 25, 2014, 04:42:26 PM
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static const int64 PHASE1_MONEY = 53000000; // 45,000,000 (min 30D, max 171Y)
static const int64 PHASE2_BLOCKS = 63476 - nBlockRewardVoteSpan - 1; // 44D (min 0, max 64,948,224)


Just curious, but what is nBlockRewardVoteSpan set to any ideas?
If it happens to be 23,155 then that would be correct.


Code:
main.cpp:1182:        nBlockRewardVoteSpan = 3600; // Tally votes every 5 days
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May 25, 2014, 05:01:17 PM
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The 8 million difference is the IPO/Premine is it not?

The IPO/Premine was 8,000,000 coins total. Hmmm,  need to check that.

But still doesn't address the limit phase block difference.

Yeah, with 45 mil in the Mint phase and just over 10 mil in the sustain phase and a minimum supply of 63 mil (if 0 vote through limit phase) leaves 8 mil for IPO/Bounties/Developement ect. I am also curious as to the block count issue brought up as that doesn't add up.

IPO/Premine (Fixed) = 8,000,000
Mint (Fixed) = 45,000,000
Limit (max vote) = ( 59,876 * 1024 ) + ( 3600 * 8 ) = ( 61,313,024 + 28800 ) = 61,341,824
Sustain (Fixed) = 10,000,576

Max Total Supply = 124,342,400

For limit phase either....
block count is off,
the days are off,
or the block time is off.

Based on 56 days with 2 min block time...
3600 * 8 = 28,800
36720 * 1024 = 37,601,280
Total Limit = 37,630,080
Total Supply = 100,630,656

The equation you are looking for

Code:
main.h:62:static const int64 MAX_MONEY = (PHASE1_MONEY + PHASE2_BLOCKS*MAX_VOTE + (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE + PHASE3_MONEY) * COIN;

Missing from your calculations is (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE
A special voting interval needed to make sure the block reward decreases from 1024 down to 8 before the sustain phase starts; otherwise you could start the sustain phase with 1024 block reward, which would be bad...

you gets

Code:
MAX_MONEY = 53000000 + (63476 - 3600 - 1)*1024 + 3601*1024 + 10000000 + 576 = 128,000,000

This has been on the "About" page from day one: https://heavycoin.github.io/about.html#decentralised-voting

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The second phase (Limit) allows a maximum vote of 1024 HVC for the first 59,876 blocks, but 8 HVC for the last ~3,600 blocks so it can transition into to the last phase (Sustain).
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May 25, 2014, 06:54:45 PM
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The equation you are looking for

Code:
main.h:62:static const int64 MAX_MONEY = (PHASE1_MONEY + PHASE2_BLOCKS*MAX_VOTE + (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE + PHASE3_MONEY) * COIN;

Missing from your calculations is (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE
A special voting interval needed to make sure the block reward decreases from 1024 down to 8 before the sustain phase starts; otherwise you could start the sustain phase with 1024 block reward, which would be bad...

you gets

Code:
MAX_MONEY = 53000000 + (63476 - 3600 - 1)*1024 + 3601*1024 + 10000000 + 576 = 128,000,000

This has been on the "About" page from day one: https://heavycoin.github.io/about.html#decentralised-voting


Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

If this is not correct then please clarify so everyone understands.  If in fact the code is not doing what everyone was told and published on the website are we going to get this fixed?

Thanks
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May 26, 2014, 01:29:16 AM
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I would like to see limited phase to be a year or so with lower limit vote (~100)... so at the end 128M limit should be kept, but i know its prolly to late now Sad

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May 26, 2014, 01:07:24 PM
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Hey guys,

Ok - server time is May 26, 2014, 01:04:27 PM as of this post.

The Trivia comp is now closed - thanks to everyone who participated - I will be announcing winners around this time tomorrow.


Anything you enjoyed, or hated, about this comp - let me know Smiley

Cheers,
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May 26, 2014, 01:39:25 PM
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Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

you are confused. there are only 3 phases of voting. the genesis block is part of the first phase, but not mined. the 53M includes the IPO.  website correctly shows that only 45M are mined in mint phase.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

no. the website says 56 days for limit phase, not 45 days.
website has a typo... says 56 days, but should say 88.1. we will update this!

no matter... the max supply introduced is calculated based on # of blocks, which is correct on website.

max supply introduced during limit phase is 64,999,424, as presented on website.

the duration of the limit phase does not depend on the amount voted. the duration is approximately 63,476x120sec ~ 88.1 days. limit phase is in blocks, not money supply.

the max vote for the last 3600 blocks of the limit phase is 8. during this time the reward could be 1024 or 0 and 42... no matter, the time per block will be 120sec.
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May 26, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
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Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

you are confused. there are only 3 phases of voting. the genesis block is part of the first phase, but not mined. the 53M includes the IPO.  website correctly shows that only 45M are mined in mint phase.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

no. the website says 56 days for limit phase, not 45 days.
website has a typo... says 56 days, but should say 88.1. we will update this!

no matter... the max supply introduced is calculated based on # of blocks, which is correct on website.

max supply introduced during limit phase is 64,999,424, as presented on website.

the duration of the limit phase does not depend on the amount voted. the duration is approximately 63,476x120sec ~ 88.1 days. limit phase is in blocks, not money supply.

the max vote for the last 3600 blocks of the limit phase is 8. during this time the reward could be 1024 or 0 and 42... no matter, the time per block will be 120sec.

Thank you for the correction/update. Good to know the limit phase is closer to 3 months rather than less than 2.

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May 26, 2014, 02:59:06 PM
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Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

you are confused. there are only 3 phases of voting. the genesis block is part of the first phase, but not mined. the 53M includes the IPO.  website correctly shows that only 45M are mined in mint phase.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

no. the website says 56 days for limit phase, not 45 days.
website has a typo... says 56 days, but should say 88.1. we will update this!

no matter... the max supply introduced is calculated based on # of blocks, which is correct on website.

max supply introduced during limit phase is 64,999,424, as presented on website.

the duration of the limit phase does not depend on the amount voted. the duration is approximately 63,476x120sec ~ 88.1 days. limit phase is in blocks, not money supply.

the max vote for the last 3600 blocks of the limit phase is 8. during this time the reward could be 1024 or 0 and 42... no matter, the time per block will be 120sec.

Yea that was a typo on my part. I did correctly say 56 days in a few other posts.
Kind of had the feeling the 53M included the IPO and Premine so this is good news.

Agreed the limit phase is not based on money supply but:
The difference between the 88.1 days and 56 days is 23,156 blocks
56 days would have been 40320 blocks. 63,476-40,320 = 23,156 extra blocks at approximately 687 coins per block.

That's still an extra 15,908,172 coins no one anticipated.

16 million additional coins that no one thought existed does sort of devalue what people are already holding.  Not the end of the world however.

Great news is that everything is working correctly and no code changes are needed. It's just a shame this was mis-communicated on the website and threads previously.

Anyway, thank you very much for the clarification!

Much appreciated,
Carlo
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May 26, 2014, 03:02:19 PM
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Anything you enjoyed, or hated, about this comp - let me know Smiley

Yea, it takes to long to find out the winners after comp is closed.  Cool  LOL

Carlo

PS it was fun.  Ready for the next one!
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May 26, 2014, 03:04:24 PM
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The 8 million difference is the IPO/Premine is it not? See original pre-ann...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470391.0
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May 26, 2014, 03:17:32 PM
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thank you i read that and i still dont understand
it comes to this...

every miner has a vote for how many coins they want in the next reward
all the votes (from every miner) are averaged out every 3600 blocks (5days),
so if there are 2 miners, 1 miner chooses vote 1 and the other chooses 1024, then the reward would be 512 for 5days

choose wisely. if you choose high (1024) the reward could be higher then now but price would drop because more coins would be available
on other hand if you choose low (1) the reward could be lower and probably price would rice because less coins would be available...

This is going to be fun Smiley
Probably the first coin doing this kind of arrangement for block reward?

Should be the first
But I think that should not be the last
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May 26, 2014, 03:19:03 PM
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Anything you enjoyed, or hated, about this comp - let me know Smiley

Yea, it takes to long to find out the winners after comp is closed.  Cool  LOL

Carlo

PS it was fun.  Ready for the next one!
I agree, I was getting excited for the answer today!

Oh well...

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May 26, 2014, 03:27:58 PM
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Ok i'll leave this to the code crackers. All i can do is continue to vote 0 at zhpool.  Grin

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I wish you good luck
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May 26, 2014, 03:33:39 PM
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Anything you enjoyed, or hated, about this comp - let me know Smiley

Yea, it takes to long to find out the winners after comp is closed.  Cool  LOL

Carlo

PS it was fun.  Ready for the next one!
I agree, I was getting excited for the answer today!

Oh well...

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May 26, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Last edit: May 27, 2014, 10:27:28 AM by TheRealSteve
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Pool hash rates and miners
pool
rate (Mh/s)*
delta***
% of network
miners**
  rate/miner
fee (%)
payout
http://hvc.1gh.com/
11,470.27
543.26
69.77
1
RBPPS
http://heavycoin.zhpool.com/
4,756.70
-1,980.60
28.93
106.3
44.75
1
PPLNS
http://heavycoin.miningpoolhub.com/
154.21
36.88
0.94
2.5
61.68
1
PROP
http://hvc.nonce-pool.com/
58.95
44.74
0.36
8.5
38.4
1
PPLNS
total
16,440.13
-1,355.72
100
* due to rate variability displayed through pool statistics pages, rates are based on average of 10 samples over the past hour
** miner count for 1gh unavailable
*** Delta since last update


Block Progression and Pool Luck

last 24h
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
hash avg
11,099.89
49.20
5,744.55
117.90
blocks
768
2
344
2
hash %
65.25
0.29
33.77
0.69
blocks %
68.82
0.18
30.82
0.18
luck %
105.50
62.00
91.30
25.90
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|
last 7d
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
hash avg
10,261.38
34.37
8,256.44
338.55
blocks
3,230
8
2,325
59
hash %
54.32
0.18
43.71
1.79
blocks %
57.45
0.14
41.36
1.05
luck %
105.77
78.20
94.62
58.56

1gh Top stats
Top 100Mhash/s|Top 10Mhash/s
Total:11,025.23|Total:5,375.87
Mean rate:110.25|Mean rate:537.59
Median rate:38.80|Median rate:478.34
Mode(10) rate:0|Mode(100) rate:400
% of pool:96.1%|% of pool:46.9%
% of network:67.1%|% of network:32.7%

Pool voting


Mining (indicative, not authoritative!)
payoff per Mhash/s / dayideal solo
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
HVC30.58375
30.58
22.61
27.36
16.93
mBTC0.11377
0.11
0.08
0.10
0.06
USD0.06487
0.06
0.05
0.06
0.04
pool take/day
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
HVC
3,170.01
7.85
2,281.82
57.90
BTC
0.01
0.00
0.01
0.00
USD
6.72
0.02
4.84
0.12
Based on last 7 days performance and... block reward: HVC687 | mBTC/HVC: 0.00372 | USD/BTC: $570.16

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May 27, 2014, 08:32:46 AM
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It is nice to see this coin still going!  Keep up the good work.

This coin will be the market slowly eliminated, fewer and fewer people pay attention to it is the main reason! Smiley Smiley
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May 27, 2014, 09:59:48 AM
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And you wasted our time with this because?
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May 27, 2014, 10:00:41 AM
Last edit: May 27, 2014, 10:28:31 AM by TheRealSteve
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Pool hash rates and miners
pool
rate (Mh/s)*
delta***
% of network
miners**
   rate/miner
fee (%)
payout
http://hvc.1gh.com/
11,470.27
0.00
69.77
1
RBPPS
http://heavycoin.zhpool.com/
4,756.70
0.00
28.93
106.3
44.75
1
PPLNS
http://heavycoin.miningpoolhub.com/
154.21
0.00
0.94
2.5
61.68
1
PROP
http://hvc.nonce-pool.com/
58.95
0.00
0.36
8.5
38.4
1
PPLNS
total
16,440.13
0.00
100
* due to rate variability displayed through pool statistics pages, rates are based on average of 10 samples over the past hour
** miner count for 1gh unavailable
*** Delta since last update


Block Progression and Pool Luck

last 24h
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
hash avg
10,444.09
42.24
4,298.37
82.16
blocks
575
1
214
1
hash %
70.25
0.28
28.91
0.55
blocks %
72.69
0.13
27.05
0.13
luck %
103.50
44.50
93.60
22.90
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last 7d
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
hash avg
10,239.16
36.59
7,692.33
258.37
blocks
3,140
8
2,091
45
hash %
56.18
0.20
42.20
1.42
blocks %
59.42
0.15
39.57
0.85
luck %
105.78
75.42
93.76
60.08

Note: due to a site glitch, the 1gh Top stats in this post are delayed by approximately 3 hours from the reference time for the other stats.
1gh Top stats
Top 100Mhash/s|Top 10Mhash/s
Total:9,609.14|Total:4,280.20
Mean rate:96.09|Mean rate:428.02
Median rate:36.27|Median rate:416.30
Mode(10) rate:0|Mode(100) rate:200
% of pool:83.8%|% of pool:37.3%
% of network:58.4%|% of network:26%

Pool voting


Mining (indicative, not authoritative!)
payoff per Mhash/s / dayideal solo
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
HVC29.79609
29.80
21.24
26.41
16.92
mBTC0.09237
0.09
0.07
0.08
0.05
USD0.05383
0.05
0.04
0.05
0.03
pool take/day
1gh
nonce
zhpool
poolhub
HVC
3,081.69
7.85
2,052.17
44.16
BTC
0.01
0.00
0.01
0.00
USD
5.57
0.01
3.71
0.08
Based on last 7 days performance and... block reward: HVC687 | mBTC/HVC: 0.0031 | USD/BTC: $582.73

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May 27, 2014, 10:55:57 AM
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Yea, it takes to long to find out the winners after comp is closed.  Cool  LOL

* shakes fist @ cayars * Smiley


Ok - thanks once again for everyone who guessed - for those wondering, the correct answer was The Church of St. George in Lalibela: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Saint_George,_Lalibela

And now for the winners:

A big congrats and a round of applause goes to gstarcev you are the winner!

And for the other prize positions:
2nd place: wrok
3rd place: combo
4th place: CoinExchange
5th place: devvienuis
6th place: crovasco
7th place: incin

I have a special mention also for NeuroticFish, who answered correctly, but unfortunately in a subsequent guess. This was a pretty harsh decision on my part - but at the end of the day I think I need to stick with the rules as I wrote them. In any event, NeuroticFish will also receive 500HVC Smiley



So gstarcev, well done man, feel free to let us all know how you figured it out so quickly!

Thanks for playing everyone - winners - I'll start sending out your prizes now, if you didn't send your address with your entry PM it to me.

Cheers,
M
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