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January 14, 2019, 12:29:47 PM |
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Yes, true, and where the user Veleor? Piggy uses theymos' Merit data dump, which updates on Friday. Veleor didn't have 250 Merit earned yet last Friday. By now he would have 1 vote.
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eddie13
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January 14, 2019, 12:45:46 PM Last edit: January 14, 2019, 01:21:14 PM by eddie13 |
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this is a list of the people which can "vote" and the number of votes they have at their disposal at the moment (144 users): 13 theymos 6 LoyceV 6 satoshi 5 DdmrDdmr 5 The Pharmacist 5 hilariousetc 5 micgoossens 5 suchmoon 4 Last of the V8s 3 Jet Cash 3 Lutpin 3 Piggy 3 Vod 3 achow101 3 gmaxwell 3 nullius 3 o_e_l_e_o 3 xhomerx10 3 xtraelv 2 BobLawblaw 2 HCP 2 HairyMaclairy 2 Hhampuz 2 JayJuanGee 2 Lauda 2 OgNasty 2 TMAN 2 abhiseshakana 2 bitmover 2 bob123 2 coinlocket$ 2 iasenko 2 infofront 2 jojo69 2 joniboini 2 krogothmanhattan 2 marlboroza 2 mole0815 2 qwk 2 theyoungmillionaire 1 1Referee 1 1miau 1 ATMcoin 1 Ajpa94 1 Alex_Sr 1 AlyattesLydia 1 BTCforJoe 1 BitCryptex 1 Carlton Banks 1 Claymore 1 Coding Enthusiast 1 Coolcryptovator 1 DannyHamilton 1 DarkStar_ 1 ETFbitcoin 1 Elwar 1 Flying Hellfish 1 Foxpup 1 GameKyuubi 1 Goran_ 1 HagssFIN 1 Hal 1 HeRetiK 1 Husna QA 1 ICOEthics 1 LFC_Bitcoin 1 Lafu 1 LeGaulois 1 Limx Dev 1 Matthias9515 1 PHI1618 1 QuestionAuthority 1 RichDaniel 1 RuSS512 1 SaltySpitoon 1 Smart man 1 Steamtyme 1 TheQuin 1 Torque 1 Toxic2040 1 TryNinja 1 Tukang Becak 1 Welsh 1 Xal0lex 1 Xynerise 1 actmyname 1 alex bond 1 arulbero 1 asche 1 athanz88 1 bill gator 1 bitserve 1 bones261 1 buwaytress 1 by rallier 1 d5000 1 d_eddie 1 deeperx 1 eddie13 1 esmanthra 1 explorder 1 fine99 1 franky1 1 gawlea 1 gentlemand 1 hilariousandco 1 hugeblack 1 ibminer 1 identifyuser 1 kenzawak 1 kirreev070 1 mdayonliner 1 mfort312 1 minerjones 1 mithrim 1 mocacinno 1 morvillz7z 1 mprep 1 mstfprcn 1 mu_enrico 1 nullCoiner 1 pandukelana2712 1 paxmao 1 philipma1957 1 pitipawn 1 pooya87 1 poptop 1 pugman 1 romanornr 1 roycilik 1 sabotag3x 1 saulzaents 1 seoincorporation 1 shorena 1 sidehack 1 sncc 1 stompix 1 taikuri13 1 tonych 1 vit05 1 vlad230 1 yahoo62278 1 zazarb 1 zentdex
This looks like quite a step backwards in terms of decentralization. then you will vote for the people to whom your vote will be the most useful, more-or-less.
Does the algorithm decide "most useful" before taking into account how many exclusions a member must overcome to stay on DT1 or after?
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Lauda
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January 14, 2019, 12:53:24 PM |
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This loos like quite a step backwards in terms of decentralization.
Given the previous size of the DT list, it really isn't. Does the algorithm decide "most useful" before taking into account how many exclusions a member must overcome to stay on DT1 or after?
Exclusions are processed at the very end.
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eddie13
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January 14, 2019, 01:09:15 PM |
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This loos like quite a step backwards in terms of decentralization.
Given the previous size of the DT list, it really isn't. To reduce the size of the DT1 list it could easily have been changed to 30 10 merit votes and 5 100 merit votes or something rather than greatly centralizing voting power. I get the 10 merit standard, 100 merit standard, even the 250 merit standard, but anything over 500 merits is rediculous and depends too much on where you post, what you post about, and who your friends are.. I like LoyceV just fine but 6X as many votes as SaltySpitoon? lol no.. Is LoyceV 6X more trusted to make good votes than SaltySpitoon? I think the DT1 list would be nice with around 50 members on it anyway.. Does the algorithm decide "most useful" before taking into account how many exclusions a member must overcome to stay on DT1 or after?
Exclusions are processed at the very end. That is no good IMO.. What about all the extra votes someone needs to overcome rival exclusions?
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Lauda
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January 14, 2019, 01:13:47 PM |
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I think the DT1 list would be nice with around 50 members on it anyway..
At that point abuse would be somewhat noticeable and keeping track of every DT2 will be difficult. I like LoyceV just fine but 6X as many votes as SaltySpitoon? lol no.. Is LoyceV 6X more trusted to make good votes than SaltySpitoon?
These votes have nothing to do with how trusted someone is. Stop confusing concepts. Does the algorithm decide "most useful" before taking into account how many exclusions a member must overcome to stay on DT1 or after?
Exclusions are processed at the very end. That is no good IMO.. What about all the extra votes someone needs to overcome rivals exclusions? Nothing about them. If you're excluded, you're excluded.
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eddie13
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January 14, 2019, 01:18:21 PM |
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Nothing about them. If you're excluded, you're excluded.
As it was before a person needed more inclusions than exclusions by 10 [or 9? to have (0)]. Now any single 1 exclusion is the final answer? Whose exclusion counts first?
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LoyceV
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January 14, 2019, 01:31:08 PM |
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I like LoyceV just fine but 6X as many votes as SaltySpitoon? lol no.. If you put it like this, it is weird indeed. For what it's worth, I have SaltySpitoon in my trust list. I think the DT1 list would be nice with around 50 members on it anyway.. Just a thought: what if theymos pickes a number for DT1, and adjusts the requirements on the fly in order to reach that amount? Another thought: At the moment a relatively new user can be voted into DT1. Isn't it better to require at least some time on DT2 (or even DT3) first, so that others can judge how the user is doing?
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TheBeardedBaby
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January 14, 2019, 01:43:16 PM |
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Relatively new users put in their trust list those who have interactions with. I just started my list and it's far from being ready, so I've added those whom I know well and I feel OK to add them. Looking through the other people's (DTs) lists, I see users I never heard of, or never saw ( or at least remembered with something) so they are quite unknown to me. I'll share some free time to check them, but this is a long term process.
I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation. Regarding SaltySpitoon I've crossed some of his posts, but I'm not so familiar with the user.
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January 14, 2019, 01:52:20 PM |
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At least 6 users are banned: 979216: RuSS512 925926: gawlea 227450: identifyuser 915311: mstfprcn 944905: saulzaents 1331637: zentdex Some of them are still included, only one still includes another user: @theymos: should the custom trust list of a banned user be deleted? If I understand correctly, their existing inclusions still count towards voting. Look Like LoyceV forget ATMcoin in list who is also banned. I do not think satoshi will be coming to vote. These 2 should be blacklisted from DT eligible list as well as voting too. Apja94 pitipawn
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suchmoon
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January 14, 2019, 03:19:51 PM |
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This looks like quite a step backwards in terms of decentralization.
I wonder how it would look like if the voting power was capped at 10 and 2 respectively, e.g. 72 merits - has 7 votes 105 merits - has 10 votes 560 merits - still has only 10 votes Same with 250s, i.e. anyone between 250-499 merits has 1 vote and anyone >=500 has 2.
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theymos (OP)
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January 14, 2019, 03:52:43 PM |
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DT1 has been reconstructed with all of the criteria. Old: achow101 actmyname BitcoinPenny Blazed Cyrus dooglus gmaxwell greenplastic HostFat JohnUser krogothmanhattan Lauda Mitchell monkeynuts OgNasty owlcatz qwk SebastianJu suchmoon The Pharmacist theymos TMAN zazarb
New: achow101 actmyname asche BitcoinPenny Blazed coinlocket$ Coolcryptovator cryptodevil Cyrus DarkStar_ dooglus EcuaMobi gmaxwell greenplastic Halab Hhampuz hilariousandco iasenko ibminer ICOEthics Jet Cash JohnUser krogothmanhattan Lafu Lauda Lesbian Cow LoyceV marlboroza minerjones Mitchell monkeynuts mprep OgNasty owlcatz qwk SebastianJu suchmoon TheFuzzStone The Pharmacist theymos TMAN tmfp TookDk vizique Vod Welsh xtraelv yahoo62278 yogg zazarb I plan to do it again early every month from now on, with adjustments as needed. But if we assume that this general system continues forever, the long-term goal is to keep the critera basically stable and then let the list actually grow over time: the goal is not to constantly select the "top 50 forum users" or similar, but to select a wide swath of users who are basically acceptable.
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theymos (OP)
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January 14, 2019, 03:58:51 PM |
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M (number of V vertices) is not given right?
M is the number of vertices in the input graph, and is known. The number that should be in the optimal output is not known. Typo on your end in the 2nd optimal solution? I figure you meant either v1 or v3 for one of those vectors?
Right, thanks.
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Jet Cash
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January 14, 2019, 03:59:46 PM |
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I'm honoured and surprised that I have become a DT1. Thank you for the promotion.
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TheBeardedBaby
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January 14, 2019, 04:16:04 PM |
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I'm honoured and surprised that I have become a DT1. Thank you for the promotion.
You are not the only one surprised here, now I ended up on DT1 if that's not a mistake, of course. This is more than unexpected. I'll be very careful with my further trust/feedback judgements.
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Lauda
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January 14, 2019, 04:18:47 PM |
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achow101 actmyname asche BitcoinPenny Blazed coinlocket$ Coolcryptovator cryptodevil Cyrus DarkStar_ dooglus EcuaMobi gmaxwell greenplastic Halab Hhampuz hilariousandco iasenko ibminer ICOEthics Jet Cash JohnUser krogothmanhattan Lafu Lauda Lesbian Cow LoyceV marlboroza minerjones Mitchell monkeynuts mprep OgNasty owlcatz qwk SebastianJu suchmoon TheFuzzStone The Pharmacist theymos TMAN tmfp TookDk vizique Vod Welsh xtraelv yahoo62278 yogg zazarb I plan to do it again early every month from now on, with adjustments as needed. But if we assume that this general system continues forever, the long-term goal is to keep the critera basically stable and then let the list actually grow over time: the goal is not to constantly select the "top 50 forum users" or similar, but to select a wide swath of users who are basically acceptable. Excellent work although there are some names that make no sense (e.g. this guy). Time for Cult of Lauda[1] to do your bidding master.
[1] This isn't even a joke anymore.
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Anduck
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January 14, 2019, 04:24:16 PM |
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Try to not take that DT position too heavily.
You can't truly judge people properly based on a couple of messages in the Internet. I am not too fond of placing strong ratings, positive or negative, especially based on nothing but messages. Something like person's judgement or trustworthiness cannot be properly evaluated based on a couple of messages here and there. People may talk on different context levels or have other kind of communication problems, etc., misunderstandings happen all the time. Cultural differences, language barriers, different values, different moods... etc..
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I'm honored to be DT1 too! I'll re-check my trust list again.
I'd like to propose a change to discourage DT1 members from adding users to DT2 just to improve their own trust: If a DT2 member is added only by one DT1 user and the former left positive trust to the later then it should not appear as trusted on the DT1's profile.
So in practice the DT1's default trust should not be affected by changes made by that DT1 user to their trust list.
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suchmoon
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January 14, 2019, 04:25:34 PM |
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DT1 has been reconstructed with all of the criteria.
Does this account for exclusions?
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Lauda
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January 14, 2019, 04:26:18 PM |
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I'm honored to be DT1 too! I'll re-check my trust list again.
I'd like to propose a change to discourage DT1 members from adding users to DT2 just to improve their own trust: -snip-
That doesn't discourage it, it completely eliminates it! DT1 has been reconstructed with all of the criteria.
Does this account for exclusions? I don't think exclusion behavior has changed.
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suchmoon
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January 14, 2019, 04:27:32 PM |
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I don't think exclusion behavior has changed.
I mean the list published in theymos' post shows Og and zazarb, both of which I think are excluded. I think I answered my own question ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) . Exclusions are not reflected in that list.
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