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Author Topic: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon  (Read 11718 times)
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October 22, 2020, 08:12:58 PM
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After a Court ruled the Trump Foundation was being used inappropriately, the family should have felt ashamed but they carried on as if nothing happened. Trump was ordered to pay a $2 million settlement in November 2019 for misusing the foundation for his business and political purposes yet here he is still in office, at least until the elections take place.



If Barr were to appoint a special prosecutor, it would create another avenue in which the story would be thrust into the news.

Surely you're not suggesting a presidential nominees ties to a foreign country be investigated during the election, are you?  Because I thought you said that was treason or something.

In other news, I recently learned that the World Food Program was one of the non profits that Hunter Biden was on the board for and they won a Nobel Prize last week.  What a stark contrast to Trumps children (and himself) exploiting the Trump foundation for personal gain.  (they were forced to shut it down and they're now barred from running, or being on the board of any charity in the state of NY...I believe for life.

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October 22, 2020, 09:02:45 PM
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Transphobia today is what Homophobia was 20 years ago.  

Both of these words are propaganda deflection terms..  

What term would you prefer to be used when describing people that think negatively of homosexuals and transgender people in general instead of homophobia and transphobia?

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October 22, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
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What term to describe people that view homosexualsity negatively
Logical..

treat them like shit because they're gay
Asshole..
We should have the right to association and be free to disagree, which does not equate to "treat like shit"..


believe it was their decision to be gay or believe they have something wrong with them would you prefer?
Logical..
They either made the decision, or their is something wrong with them from an evolutionary/Darwinistic/mental health point of view..

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October 22, 2020, 10:45:07 PM
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They either made the decision, or their is something wrong with them from an evolutionary/Darwinistic/mental health point of view..

Not true. Homosexuality exists because it is mandated by evolution, meaning evolution has dictated that a place for it exists. Its not a "problem" unique to human beings, either. Do you think gay lions also choose to be gay?

One of the psychiatrists I used to work for thinks that severe, organic mental illness like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder is also the result of evolution as it actually makes people seem sexually appealing to at least a portion of the population, however small it may be. Homosexuality is likely the same thing as counterintuitive as it may sound -- it provides some value to the survival of the species, perhaps from a communal standpoint. If it didn't it wouldn't exist.

Its not like they are incapable of breeding. That would be an example of an actual problem.

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Last edit: October 26, 2020, 04:57:03 AM by nullius
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Blacks who vote for Omnibus Crime Bill Biden and Kamala-the-Cop are equal in stupidity to whites who fancy that Trump will save them from brown people.  I suppose that they are all just Americans.

Hey, Biden-lovers, isn’t The Nation one of your favourite left-wing rags?


In the progressive modern world of Twitter-tier attention spans, nobody has a long enough memory to see these cheap political jobbers for what they are:  Tyrants of the lowest order, each and all, who only tell their fans what they want to hear for long enough to get the power to betray them.



I’ve lost track of this thread—well, I never kept track of it; but I do owe some brief replies here.  (Some of which I began to prepare a few days ago.)



Roosevelt’s Court Packing Scheme

How do you suppose that he got away with instant tyranny, as much as he wanted?  (For pedantic correctness:  Off the top of my head, I don’t know if the Roosevelt gold ban was one of the issues directly impacted by the court-stacking threat; but I do know that the Commerce Clause abuse that is nowadays institutionalized to Federalize everything did start with Roosevelt, for exactly that reason.  And your Supreme Court should have, and otherwise would have promptly torn up everything from Socialist Insecurity, to quotas imposed on how much farmers could grow, etc., etc.)

A president can't just pack the courts though.  His only real power is to stop them from being packed.  For the number of judges to change, you need enough of the 400+ members of the House that represent the entire country and are elected every 2 years to make it happen.  So, not really tyranny.

Why do you speak as if I were proposing some weird theory?  Roosevelt’s court packing scheme is so infamous that it is currently a Wikipedia redirect from “Court packing”!  (Just making a point; n.b. that I do not recommend “learning” about history or politics from Wikipedia.  (article))



Oh, also:

So, not really tyranny.

Do you suggest that if a democratic government follows some procedures, it cannot be tyranny? (!)

Vide:  Democracy in action!

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Yeah... What kind of goofball would think that the Supreme Court should lean towards constitutional conservatism?
Must’a been dropped on his head..

Needs some Marxist sympathizers on it to counter the libertarian principles that have been there, oh, since it’s formation roundabouts..
Better just take the system so it’s “fair” and all..

Vide:  Democracy in action!



Democracy Defined

And if you're threatening to change the number of justices on the court to use as a bargaining chip, that's literally undemocratic.

How is it literally undemocratic to pass a law that changes the number of justices on the supreme court?

How is it that “democratic” is implicitly equated with “good and justified”?

Democracy is the “ideal” that the lunatics should run the asylum.  But they can’t—which means that the most corrupt mass-manipulators rule over The Peeeeeeople.  So as for “government by the people”.

I agree with this:

Quote from: Dr. Oscar Levy, Preface to Anthony Ludovici’s “Nietzsche: His Life and Works” (London, 1910), pp. viii, xii.
Nietzsche may have been right, therefore he may be unsuccessful. [...] ...the driving power behind democracy is not a political one, it is religiousit is Christianity.

[...]

There [Napoleon] was another victim of democracy...  The mighty sword in the beginning and the mighty pen at the end of the last century [1800s] were alike impotent against—Fate.



The Oppression of “Gender”

By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

I am more offended by the bastardization of the English language.  I win at taking offence.  The liberals can never compete with my incontestable superiority at being offended by them.  (And nobody can compete with me for literary insults.)

Also, a message to Orwellian “liberals”:  Stop oppressing me.

Boldface is in the original:
This is why I initially refused on principle to set my “gender” in my forum profile.  I don’t have a “gender”, in the ridiculous postmodern meaning which has been quite artfully constructed for that word.  I have a sex, and it is an innate, naturally unalterable part of who I am which I refuse to devalue by calling it a “gender”.

I find the term “gender” highly offensive!

...a thought-control exercise in the power of he who defines which I find deeply oppressive.  Think about it:  This is real oppression!
(And yes "they" is grammatically correct for referring to the singular, or so I've heard.)

No, it is not correct—outside the fantasies of the Newspeak Dictionary, Tenth Edition (or is it the Eleventh now?).

[...]

Back in the day—when people spoke English, in contradistinction to the bastardized postmodern cant used by degenerate anthropoids with pickled brains.

[...]

“Back in the day”, women customarily signed their letters with a parenthesized title so that others would know whether to apply “Mrs.” or “Miss”.  E.g., “Sincerely, Alice Smith (Mrs.)”.  Just sayin’...



Warning: Users of hallucinogenic substances are nuts!


Much though I despise you, I wouldn’t want to see anyone caught up in arguing seriously against someone who thinks that tripping on LSD is an experience comparable to taking a trip to France (!).  (+4 from suchmoon.)

In my experience, I have found that users of hallucinogens always have something subtly broken with their internal logic—even years later, and regardless of general intelligence or educational attainment.  Their judgment is irreparably compromised.  I would not waste my time discussing with them any fixed ideas that they may form, although I must occasionally correct some of their grossly wrong statements for other reasons.

I don’t necessarily dislike such people.  For a contrary example, one of my past girlfriends was an earnestly devoted woman, plus one of the most highly literate people of either sex whom I have ever yet had the pleasure of knowing.  She had dropped acid when she was a university student.  Despite her profound intellect and her sincere intentions, I found that in any matter that required incisively distinguishing reality from illusions, I could not trust her thought process.  Sadly.  Our intercourse on poetry and literature was amazing—as was “intercourse”.  But alas, I could never rely on her judgment.

I do suppose that if you drop enough acid, you can see as many “genders” as you want.



Neological Abortions

Transphobia today is what Homophobia was 20 years ago.

Both of these words are propaganda deflection terms..

Yes.  And both are also etymologically ridiculous.  “Homophobia” literally means ‘fear of sameness’, or perhaps ‘same fear’.  “Transphobia” means ‘across fear’, and is a bastardized hybrid mutt-word.

These neological abortions are typical of the calibre of minds that also produce such chimeras as “polyamory” and “sexology”—although both of these latter words identify real concepts, for which older, better words exist.  I will be cruel and leave the crowd in suspense, so as to avoid casting more pearls here.

Disclaimer:  Whereas Nietzsche was a doctor of philology, I am but an amateur.

Quote from: Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, #260.
Everywhere that slave-morality gains the ascendancy, language shows a tendency to approximate the significations of the words “good” and “stupid.”

Like him, I am not nice.  I will admit that all that “gender” stuff is a nice theory, in the old-fashioned sense.

nice (adj.)

late 13c., "foolish, ignorant, frivolous, senseless," from Old French nice (12c.) "careless, clumsy; weak; poor, needy; simple, stupid, silly, foolish," from Latin nescius "ignorant, unaware," literally "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (from PIE root *ne- "not") + stem of scire "to know" (see science).

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October 26, 2020, 11:18:19 AM
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Right. Anyway:

I'm thinking that Biden is going to win by a landslide.

Wanna bet me another 0.01? Or?

Can I take you up on this in theymos' place?

After reading the latest guffaw about Hunter Biden its apparent the Republicans are quite desperate, and I want in on the bet.

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October 26, 2020, 05:07:17 PM
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I want in on the bet.

Uh... I thought you were?


I'm not a hodler -- I actually ....   so I can't do BTC.

Well what is one signature payment in BTC? I can wait a week after the close..
But what if it goes to $300k+? You would have to hodl it now.. ...
I could hodl some satoshis for you if you want..

OK, you have my word that I would honor this type of deal:

(I'm loaning you .01 so you can pay me .02)

With the same conditions as suchmoon. If Trump wins and I don't honor my repayment of 0.02 BTC everybody has permission to run my ass red. But I will repay because that's what I do.

Hell, let's up the stakes for me: I will pay you 0.025 if Trump wins the election (on suchmoon-based terms), seeing as how you are basically giving me a loan of 0.01 BTC.

Address:
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This is nutildah, signing an old-ass Counterparty address on 12/17 (12/16 for most of you still).
Signature:
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First transaction is from 9.29.14

Let me know what you think. I can sign a more specific message if you agree.

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eddie13 on 12/16/19 accepting bet with nutildah as quoted

Quote:
With the same conditions as suchmoon. If Trump wins and I don't honor my repayment of 0.02 BTC everybody has permission to run my ass red. But I will repay because that's what I do.

Hell, let's up the stakes for me: I will pay you [b]0.025[/b] if Trump wins the election (on suchmoon-based terms), seeing as how you are basically giving me a loan of 0.01 BTC.

Address:
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Message:
This is nutildah, signing an old-ass Counterparty address on 12/17 (12/16 for most of you still).
Signature:
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Original referenced terms:
suchmoon agrees to pay 0.1 BTC to eddie13 if Donald J Trump wins the 2020 US presidential election, and eddie13 agrees to pay 0.1 BTC to suchmoon if Donald J Trump does not win the 2020 US presidential election.

Decision logic:

Election result is considered decided by the Electoral College meeting. If the Electoral College elects Donald J Trump the president of the US following the 2020 US presidential election eddie13 wins the bet, in any other case suchmoon wins the bet except for the draw conditions listed below.

Conditions for a draw (neither side pays the other side):

    If there is no presidential election in 2020.
    If Donald J Trump is not on the ballot in at least 26 states.
    If the Electoral College doesn't meet by midnight January 31, 2021.

Additional terms:

    EC decision is final regardless of popular vote, pledged electors, unfaithful electors etc.
    No presidential election in 2020 (martial law, martians invading, etc) means a draw.
    Donald J Trump not running for any reason (primaried out, dead, impeached, etc) means a draw even if he wins via write-in.
    Any other candidate getting elected (democrat, republican, third party, etc) means suchmoon wins.
    If Donald J Trump is elected but doesn't get sworn in (dies, goes to prison, moves to Slovenia, etc) eddie13 wins.
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Accepted anyway but I can't find 19fZGJAsampH3UEMp5WroX3Y6eUU1tdA7B staked anywhere either..
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My mistake for not checking it first, my risk..

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October 26, 2020, 05:55:39 PM
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This is probably not the best time to be getting into an even money bet for Trump to win. The betting markets are pricing a ~2/3 chance that Biden will win.

Who knows if he will pay up if Trump wins, considering he apparently has forgotten that he placed his bet. SM probably will.
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October 26, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
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This is probably not the best time to be getting into an even money bet for Trump to win. The betting markets are pricing a ~2/3 chance that Biden will win.

Who knows if he will pay up if Trump wins, considering he apparently has forgotten that he placed his bet. SM probably will.

Was a theymos special offer..

Thought I was already on the hook with sm twitchy and nutildah..

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October 26, 2020, 07:31:34 PM
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Who knows if he will pay up if Trump wins, considering he apparently has forgotten that he placed his bet.

I _just_ offered to make the bet with him _yesterday_, idiot. Obviously I'm prepared to pay up.

Thought I was already on the hook with sm twitchy and nutildah..

You signed a message along with changed terms of the bet, noting that you were "just kidding" about your offer to TwitchySeal. My final offer was not confirmed or denied by you, which is why I thought the bet didn't go through. The message you signed doesn't include the part that you were to lend me 0.01 BTC at the time of the bet, which you never sent... Please go back and re-read the conversation.

I'll give you a redo on that if you want @nutildah to make it clear 1:1..

What I said about the whole loan thing was just kidding Twitchy trying to get him to sign a real staked address..
I'm starting to think that the concept of signing agreements is not as well spread as I had thought, or something..

Oh, well in that case let's just do 0.01 @ 1:1. I can definitely round that up in a year, regardless of what the price is.

Anyway, this last sentence (bolded) will serve as confirmation for me that the bet is on, as apparently it did to you all these months.


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October 26, 2020, 07:37:31 PM
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You and I have action, right eddie?  


Edit: yeah I see we do.

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October 26, 2020, 09:03:22 PM
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The message you signed doesn't include the part that you were to lend me 0.01 BTC at the time of the bet, which you never sent... Please go back and re-read the conversation.

What I said about it basically being a loan is that accepting a bet requires the same level of trust and certainty of identity as giving a loan..
(also nothing to do with signing proof of funds like some guy commented on accusing me of moving them)

The conversation was about signing a staked address for identity verification purposes, signing a contract, which somehow seemed to confuse 100% of biden anti-trump betters thus far...
The purpose is to eliminate the "I was hacked when my account agreed to that" excuse..

Anyway, this last sentence (bolded) will serve as confirmation for me that the bet is on, as apparently it did to you all these months.

Good enough I guess..
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OK I agree.. [quote author=nutildah link=topic=5208356.msg55459030#msg55459030 date=1603740694] Anyway, this last sentence (bolded) will serve as confirmation for me that [u]the bet is on[/u], as apparently it did to you all these months.[/quote]
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October 26, 2020, 09:48:59 PM
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I think a two party system is always going to face polarization within a democracy and two parties is simply not enough to express the wide range of views that are necessary to run a country effectively. It ends up with a constant tug of war and in the current climate people are too willing to get entrenched in a position without the ability to compromise. Sadly I think the current batch of politicians are too self serving and not willing to stand up for the guiding principles of their countries. I also don't understand why it is a race between two 75 year olds, as if age is meant to bring wisdom - my personal experience has been exactly the opposite. I don't wish to sound ageist - but people do not peak in their 70's and shouldn't be running the most powerful country in the world, that's for sure.

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October 26, 2020, 09:59:28 PM
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The good part about Trump is, he will do what is good and right for the people.

The bad part about Trump is, he will "legalize" freedom for Presidents so that the guy/gal after Trump will be free to do a whole lot more than if Trump had never been around. And nobody knows if it will be bad or good.


Of course, if Biden gets in, the bad will happen now rather than the worse bad later.

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October 26, 2020, 09:59:33 PM
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The conversation was about signing a staked address for identity verification purposes, signing a contract, which somehow seemed to confuse 100% of biden anti-trump betters thus far...
The purpose is to eliminate the "I was hacked when my account agreed to that" excuse..

Guess who is going to chime in here.

Bitcoin is cypherpunk crypto-money.  Do people want to use crypto, or just talk about it while masturbating over their Coinbase accounts, waiting for Number To Go Up?

All financial agreements for nontrivial (non-“dust”) amounts conducted on the forum should always require signed statements!

Anyway, this last sentence (bolded) will serve as confirmation for me that the bet is on, as apparently it did to you all these months.

Colour me unsurprised at nutildah’s ignorance about the proper use of practical cryptography. Roll Eyes

No more BS,

Use crypto.  No excuses.

Who knows if he will pay up if Trump wins, considering he apparently has forgotten that he placed his bet. SM probably will.


This is probably not the best time to be getting into an even money bet for Trump to win. The betting markets are pricing a ~2/3 chance that Biden will win.

Hmmm.  What were the odds called by the mass-media (and the betting markets) that Hillary would win, in late October of 2016?

If I wanted to bet, I would be a contrarian, and bet on Trump.  For the reason that you state, I would probably want better than even odds.

I say this even though I despise Trump much more than the TDS crowd does.  (For totally different reasons.)



October 26, 2020, 09:45:02 PM

Summary - eddie13

Bitcoin address:1vvSrTFiQY7akwbsv3iYPPe9mR3DsEbff
To be updated when I find his stake...
Signed message today..

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This is eddie13 on 8/19/2018 updating my Bitcointalk staked address

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The question hereby is to establish his address (significantly) prior to today’s date; in the circumstance, I don’t feel a need to reach back further.  Considerable research effort is sometimes required...  The forum should have a better way to handle these things.

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OK I agree.. [quote author=nutildah link=topic=5208356.msg55459030#msg55459030 date=1603740694] Anyway, this last sentence (bolded) will serve as confirmation for me that [u]the bet is on[/u], as apparently it did to you all these months.[/quote]
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No more BS, you guys are fucked now when trump wins and that`s that..

Quoted for reference.  I am against saying that I verified it; people should do that for themselves!  No “somebody verified it”, and no Gavin-style “I saw this verified by somebody”.

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October 26, 2020, 10:09:50 PM
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^^^ All you remind me of is somebody who isn't free.


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October 26, 2020, 10:31:52 PM
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Hmmm.  What were the odds called by the mass-media (and the betting markets) that Hillary would win, in late October of 2016?

For someone that is usually so pragmatic I'm surprised to see you going down the poll-denier path.  There were plenty of pundits saying Trump was dead in the water, but that didn't reflect the actual numbers and really anyone that says they know for certain what the outcome will be before election day is either a liar or a fool and should be ignored.

The final 2016 betting markets and most models had Trump between a 2-1 and 3-1 underdog to become president.

The final national polls on average had Clinton with a 3.2 point lead and she ended up receiving 2.1% more votes.


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October 26, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
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Hmmm.  What were the odds called by the mass-media (and the betting markets) that Hillary would win, in late October of 2016?

For someone that is usually so pragmatic I'm surprised to see you going down the poll-denier path.  There were plenty of pundits saying Trump was dead in the water, but that didn't reflect the actual numbers and really anyone that says they know for certain what the outcome will be before election day is either a liar or a fool and should be ignored.

The final 2016 betting markets and most models had Trump between a 2-1 and 3-1 underdog to become president.

The final national polls on average had Clinton with a 3.2 point lead and she ended up receiving 2.1% more votes.



National polling was accurate, but some of the state polling wasn't even close. Wisconsin and Michigan were off by a sizeable amount. There's no doubt he's down in the polls, but I don't think it's impossible for Trump to trip towards the finish line like he did in 2016.
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October 26, 2020, 11:03:33 PM
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No more BS, you guys are fucked now when trump wins and that`s that..

Yep. Glad we could straighten things out.

I just got back from a memorial service at a veteran's cemetery; probably one of the nicest in the nation. It was for a Korean War vet: he was an old guy that lived a full life, and it was a powerful experience. It actually made me feel proud to be an American for the first time in a while. Basically, I hope that regardless of who gets elected, the division in our country will die down at least a little bit.


I'm quite tired of your pointless pettiness and am sticking you on ignore. Just thought I'd let you know in case you wonder why I'm no longer responding to you. You clearly have an axe to grind with the entire world (except for Lauda, RIP) and that's neither my fault nor problem.

Some goes for PrimeNumber7/Quickseller. Not interested anymore.

Get a life, because life is short, and it will be the only one you'll have.

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October 26, 2020, 11:15:44 PM
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National polling was accurate, but some of the state polling wasn't even close. Wisconsin and Michigan were off by a sizeable amount. There's no doubt he's down in the polls, but I don't think it's impossible for Trump to trip towards the finish line like he did in 2016.

Due to huge numbers of early voting it's getting increasingly unlikely with every day. For example if FBI announced an investigation into whatever Fox News is accusing Biden of, it would be much less likely to have the same kind of impact like Hillary's e-mails did because so many have already voted.
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