[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

[suchmoon]

I think it's pretty clear Trump is approaching the debates the same as the election.

Ignore all advice and try to wing it... yes, please. His Fox interview was wonderfully deranged so hopefully he'll debate Biden the same way.

[squatz1]

I think it's pretty clear Trump is approaching the debates the same as the election.

Ignore all advice and try to wing it... yes, please. His Fox interview was wonderfully deranged so hopefully he'll debate Biden the same way.

Is this a new interview or am I thinking of the .... interesting.. axios interview? Haven't seen the Fox one if it's new.

There is an argument for a 4th debate in which Trump debates Harris and Pence debates Biden. This would allow Americans to see a contrast between who would be president if their candidate were to be elected.

Is this coming from Trump/Rudy?  I can't find anything other than that letter Rudy sent requesting all new dates, a 4th Biden/Trump debate and hand picked moderators.

I think it's pretty clear Trump is approaching the debates the same as the election.  Do everything he can to control it (Rudys letter for example) and discredit the entire process so that he can get bonus points for performing the way he does 'in spite of'.  Basically same thing he does with elections.  Convince enough people you're a victim before hand and the downside decreases/upside increases.

They've also already laid some good ground work by claiming over and over that Biden doesn't want to debate him and is trying to get out of it (fabricated) for when he makes his inevitable ridiculous requests and Biden says no.

I mean I don't think it's a horrible idea to have another debate. The Trump camp isn't wrong about early voting and such, meaning that a lot of people in the public won't have even heard both Trump and Biden go against one another before they make their vote. Would be better for the people to hear the two of them debate first, can't hurt, eh?

[PrimeNumber7]

I think it's pretty clear Trump is approaching the debates the same as the election.

Ignore all advice and try to wing it... yes, please. His Fox interview was wonderfully deranged so hopefully he'll debate Biden the same way.

How have Biden's interviews been going recently? When was the last time he had a reporter be even moderately tough on him?

Does Biden even know how to hold an iPhone?

[suchmoon]

Is this a new interview or am I thinking of the .... interesting.. axios interview? Haven't seen the Fox one if it's new.

I was thinking about the one with Chris Wallace a few weeks ago. The Axios one was interesting too.

[TwitchySeal]

Is this a new interview or am I thinking of the .... interesting.. axios interview? Haven't seen the Fox one if it's new.

I was thinking about the one with Chris Wallace a few weeks ago. The Axios one was interesting too.

I can't wait for this scene in the movie.  I just now realized that Trumps first instinct was to challenge Joe to a test he already took...classic Trump.

WALLACE:  But I've got to tell you, if I may, sir, respectfully, in the Fox poll, they asked people, who is more competent? Who's got -- whose mind is sounder? Biden beats you in that.

TRUMP:  Well, I'll tell you what, let's take a test.  Let's take a test right now. Let's go down, Joe and I will take a test. Let him take the same test that I took.

WALLACE:  Incidentally, I took the test too when I heard that you passed it.

TRUMP:  Yeah, how did you do?

WALLACE:  It's not – well it's not that hardest test. They have a picture and it says “what’s that” and it’s an elephant.

TRUMP:  No no no...

TRUMP:  You see, that's all misrepresentation.

WALLACE:  Well, that's what it was on the web.

TRUMP:  It's all misrepresentation. Because, yes, the first few questions are easy, but I'll bet you couldn't even answer the last five questions. I'll bet you couldn't, they get very hard, the last five questions.

WALLACE:  Well, one of them was count back from 100 by seven.

TRUMP:  Let me tell you...

WALLACE:  Ninety-three.

TRUMP: ... you couldn't answer -- you couldn't answer many of the questions.

WALLACE:  Ok, what's the question?

TRUMP:  I'll get you the test, I'd like to give it. I'll guarantee you that Joe Biden could not answer those questions.

WALLACE:  OK.

TRUMP:  OK. And I answered all 35 questions correctly.

[suchmoon]

How have Biden's interviews been going recently?

Quite well: https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/status/1292130789052887041

Can we get Trump to answer some questions while riding a bike? That'd be awesome.

[suchmoon]

Ok so there is a newer Fox interview, Fox Business more specifically, and it doesn't disappoint... turns out Biden and Harris have something against cows.

https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-interview-fox-business-maria-bartiromo-august-13-2020

The cows -- I don’t know if they actually put the cows in. They’re getting hit very hard by the animal rights groups but they don’t want to have cows, they don’t want to have any form of animals.

Also Harris earned her own birther conspiracy theory in the few short days she's been a VP candidate - well done:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

[squatz1]

Ok so there is a newer Fox interview, Fox Business more specifically, and it doesn't disappoint... turns out Biden and Harris have something against cows.

https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-interview-fox-business-maria-bartiromo-august-13-2020

The cows -- I don’t know if they actually put the cows in. They’re getting hit very hard by the animal rights groups but they don’t want to have cows, they don’t want to have any form of animals.

Also Harris earned her own birther conspiracy theory in the few short days she's been a VP candidate - well done:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

NICE A NEW BIRTHER CONSPIRACY THEORY?

Pretty sure the issues surrounding this birther conspiracy have been talked about in high school civics courses -- if you're born on American soil you're an American citizen. Regardless of parental status. It's up to Americans to determine if that's 'American' enough to be President, but according to constitutional law everything should be fine.

Cows -- I'm assuming this is the way for the Trump camp to try to get farmers to continue to vote for him. Interesting way to explain the hatred of cows though.

[eddie13]

turns out Biden and Harris have something against cows.

Methane farts greenhouse gas emissions yo!!
Cows cause global warming.. Don’t you know that Americans are evil for eating so much meat? We should all be eating soy burgers and crickets instead..

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-clinesmith-guilty-plea-durham-russia-just-beginning

President Trump said Friday the news that former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith will plead guilty to making a false statement is "just the beginning" of the fallout from U.S. Attorney John Durham's review of the Russia investigation.

"That's just the beginning, I would imagine. This... what happened should never happen again," Trump said at a White House briefing Friday afternoon. "You'll be hearing more."

He also called Clinesmith a "corrupt FBI attorney," part of former FBI Director James Comey's "very corrupt FBI."

Clinesmith was referred for potential prosecution by the Justice Department's inspector general's office over an altered email about former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page claiming he was "not a source" for another government agency. Page has said he was a source for the CIA.

The DOJ relied on that assertion as it submitted a third and final renewal application in 2017 to eavesdrop on Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Two sources close to the investigation told Fox News on Friday that Clinesmith will plead guilty.

"Kevin deeply regrets having altered the email. It was never his intent to mislead the court or his colleagues as he believed the information he relayed was accurate," Shur said in a statement.  "But Kevin understands what he did was wrong and accepts responsibility."

[TwitchySeal]

Ok so there is a newer Fox interview, Fox Business more specifically, and it doesn't disappoint... turns out Biden and Harris have something against cows.

https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-interview-fox-business-maria-bartiromo-august-13-2020

The cows -- I don’t know if they actually put the cows in. They’re getting hit very hard by the animal rights groups but they don’t want to have cows, they don’t want to have any form of animals.

Also Harris earned her own birther conspiracy theory in the few short days she's been a VP candidate - well done:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289

I think the cow stuff is stemming from republicans continuously misrepresenting a sarcastic note on a draft of the green new deal about why the goal was 'net 0 carbon emissions' and not '0 emissions' "because we can't get farting cows that fast".  Millions of people believe the green new deal wants to get rid of cows.  I guess Trump figured out that 'Dems want to take away your meat' is pretty effective and decided to try it out on Kamala.

[Gyfts]

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-TABLES_202008121039.pdf

NPR/PBS/Marist poll released recently - Biden 53, Trump 42

Marist has an A+ rating by 538.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-pick-biden-yet-more-think-their-neighbors-back-trump

Fox News poll also recent - Biden 49, Trump 42


Rather devastating polling data for the Trump campaign with Biden nearly breaking a majority. Not looking forward to a Harris Presidency at all but it's shocking the media is silent on Joe Biden hiding and refusing to answer any questions from the media. He's had two public events thus far with Kamala Harris where campaign staffers immediately rush the press out of the room and not taking any questions.

See here - https://twitter.com/KLF/status/1294356550761549824

Quite the campaign strategy where the Presidential nominee is cut off from any public scrutiny by hiding from the media.

Pew Research also came out with some good polling data.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/08/13/election-2020-voters-are-highly-engaged-but-nearly-half-expect-to-have-difficulties-voting/

A majority, 53%, of Biden voters are voting for him not based on leadership, policy, character, values, ect. but for the sole reason he is not Trump. Further evidence politics is not about policy, but a team sport. Also an indictment of Trump's character, to be fair.

[IIV]

Last election was about choosing the lesser evil, the same is this time.

[TwitchySeal]

but it's shocking the media is silent on Joe Biden hiding and refusing to answer any questions from the media

He's not hiding, he actually sounded pretty good during his speech right before Kamala a couple days age.
The media wasn't silent on him not taking questions either.  On msnbc they literally replayed them shooing away reporters after the speech.  Conservative media frames it as 'hiding in his basement' and Liberal media "letting Trump self destruct".

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/08/13/election-2020-voters-are-highly-engaged-but-nearly-half-expect-to-have-difficulties-voting/

A majority, 53%, of Biden voters are voting for him not based on leadership, policy, character, values, ect. but for the sole reason he is not Trump. Further evidence politics is not about policy, but a team sport. Also an indictment of Trump's character, to be fair.

The poll asked people for 'the main reason you're voting for...' that doesn't mean it's the only reason or that they don't think he has any leadership, character, values, ect.  Although I think there probably are going to be a decent number of people who normally don't really care about politics but are voting bc they think it's important Trump doesn't win.  It's really not that different from 2016.   Also it's 56% that answered "bc he's not Trump" so it's possible I'm looking at the wrong poll lol.

[JollyGood]

I see why you would say that and an understand there is a view out there that echoes what you stated.

Last election was about choosing the lesser evil, the same is this time.

[Gyfts]

He's not hiding, he actually sounded pretty good during his speech right before Kamala a couple days age.
The media wasn't silent on him not taking questions either.  On msnbc they literally replayed them shooing away reporters after the speech.  Conservative media frames it as 'hiding in his basement' and Liberal media "letting Trump self destruct".

Please, you can't be serious. He's denied so many interview requests, including one from Chris Wallace, and hasn't done a press conference in ages. He's taken interviews from people that refuse to press him on critical issues and throw softball questions who watch him fumble over his words. The guy is barely alive and is being tucked away in his basement right now. 10 seconds of air time on MSNBC is great and all, but the fact is that him hiding from the public eye as a campaign strategy has only invited criticism from conservatives and the media isn't known for a conservative bias.

He sounds good in speeches because they're given to him ahead of time and they're rehearsed. The moment he goes off the cuff is when things begin to fall apart.

The poll asked people for 'the main reason you're voting for...' that doesn't mean it's the only reason or that they don't think he has any leadership, character, values, ect.  Although I think there probably are going to be a decent number of people who normally don't really care about politics but are voting bc they think it's important Trump doesn't win.  It's really not that different from 2016.   Also it's 56% that answered "bc he's not Trump" so it's possible I'm looking at the wrong poll lol.

No it was 56 percent. Not sure why I put 53. Regardless of it being the main reason or not, "not Trump" shouldn't be a reason to vote for someone. Most Americans are dumber than a sack of rocks so I don't expect them to have any grips about substantive policy anyways but like I said, politics is a team sport rooted in tribalism. No doubt people are going to vote against Trump out of spite. And while doing so, they're going to vote in someone with potential dementia as well as a fake opportunist who insinuated her running mate was a sexual assaulter.

[nutildah]

Regardless of it being the main reason or not, "not Trump" shouldn't be a reason to vote for someone.

It's an excellent reason. The only reason why Trump won last time is because he wasn't Hillary. And even then, he still lost the popular vote by a substantial amount.

If one of the options on the poll for why people were voting for Trump was "Because he's great at inflaming libtards," it probably would have received 70-80% of the poll votes.

[TwitchySeal]

Please, you can't be serious. He's denied so many interview requests, including one from Chris Wallace, and hasn't done a press conference in ages.

I am serious and I didn't claim what your implying I did.

He's avoiding tough interviews or any situation where he might fuck up and give Trump ammo and would be a fool not to.  Notice how it's the republicans trying to get him to talk? That's because they want him to lose.  

That doesn't mean he's been hiding in his basement though.  Hiding in your basement and not talking to reporters are not the same.  Especially when the most recent example of turning down questions was at a press conference watched by millions of people.

hasn't done a press conference in ages.

The press conference was 3 days ago.

No it was 56 percent. Not sure why I put 53. Regardless of it being the main reason or not, "not Trump" shouldn't be a reason to vote for someone.

I posted a screenshot of the poll you linked above.

Try thinking about it without Trump being involved, or even political parties.
If you felt very strongly that a victory for candidate A would be horrible, and didn't agree with candidate B but felt they would be a much better president than candidate A, would you have a reason to vote?

[Gyfts]

I am serious and I didn't claim what your implying I did.

He's avoiding tough interviews or any situation where he might fuck up and give Trump ammo and would be a fool not to.  Notice how it's the republicans trying to get him to talk? That's because they want him to lose.

I'm not sure what you would constitute as hiding. I guess we have different definitions. Reading a scripted speech word from word in a rehearsed press event isn't quite putting yourself out there.

That doesn't mean he's been hiding in his basement though.  Hiding in your basement and not talking to reporters are not the same.  Especially when the most recent example of turning down questions was at a press conference watched by millions of people.

Hiding in the basement and crawling out one in a blue moon to read a script in a rehearsed event are the same imo.

The press conference was 3 days ago.

Press conference without answering any questions from the press? Brave.

Try thinking about it without Trump being involved, or even political parties.
If you felt very strongly that a victory for candidate A would be horrible, and didn't agree with candidate B but felt they would be a much better president than candidate A, would you have a reason to vote?

This was the point I was making. What you're describing is tribalism in politics. The reasons people feel inclined that Candidate A would be horrible are not policy based, evident from the Pew Research poll.

If one of the options on the poll for why people were voting for Trump was "Because he's great at inflaming libtards," it probably would have received 70-80% of the poll votes.

lmaooo

[suchmoon]

Hiding in the basement and crawling out one in a blue moon to read a script in a rehearsed event are the same imo.

If this is some sort of unfair winning strategy... Trump could do that too if he wanted to but he insists on making a fool of himself. Hardly Biden's fault.

If Trump was a sane candidate this strategy wouldn't work against him but right now he's basically campaigning for Biden one tweet at a time.

[JollyGood]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much will having Kamala Harris as a running mate and potential Vice President going to help Biden?