[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

[TwitchySeal]

When I have kids they will be kept away from degenerate influences..
I am not down with the culture of idolizing sexual freaks like queers and trannies that the kids are into these days and the rest of the propaganda brainwashing them..

Famous last words...

Right before the gas chamber right?

Actually yeah kind of lol.  Not what I meant though.

I meant right before children find out on their own the things they were sheltered from, realize the things they were taught was wrong and then live their homotransbisexual biracial liberal lives happily ever after.

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[suchmoon]

You guys don’t think music has any influence on society eh?

I'm sure it does just perhaps not in the apocalyptically transactional "don't listen to Joe Biden talking to Cardi B lest you become a slut" way.

[eddie13]

When I have kids they will be kept away from degenerate influences..
I am not down with the culture of idolizing sexual freaks like queers and trannies that the kids are into these days and the rest of the propaganda brainwashing them..

Famous last words...

Right before the gas chamber right?

Actually yeah kind of lol.  Not what I meant though.

I meant right before children find out on their own the things they were sheltered from, realize the things they were taught was wrong and then live their homotransbisexual biracial liberal lives happily ever after.

Being traditional is not wrong, lol.. If anything it is right..
Have you not seen the STD and suicide rates of homotransbisexuals?

[suchmoon]

Have you not seen the STD and suicide rates of homotransbisexuals?

This is getting woefully off topic but I seriously doubt that you can reduce the risk of suicide by telling the person that what they are is wrong.

[TwitchySeal]

When I have kids they will be kept away from degenerate influences..
I am not down with the culture of idolizing sexual freaks like queers and trannies that the kids are into these days and the rest of the propaganda brainwashing them..

Famous last words...

Right before the gas chamber right?

Actually yeah kind of lol.  Not what I meant though.

I meant right before children find out on their own the things they were sheltered from, realize the things they were taught was wrong and then live their homotransbisexual biracial liberal lives happily ever after.

Being traditional is not wrong, lol.. If anything it is right..
Have you not seen the STD and suicide rates of homotransbisexuals?

I was only referring to your plan to keep your kids away from people that are different from you.  Kids are curious - it could easily backfire. 

Have you not seen the STD and suicide rates of homotransbisexuals?

It's really sad, especially for the teenagers.  On the bright side we've been able to show solid evidence that legalizing same sex marriage results in fewer suicides among adolescents and the rest of the world is taking note with more and more countries legalizing it every year.  Hopefully within a few generations the ignorance that was acceptable for so long will no longer be an issue in any first world country.


Difference-in-Differences Analysis of the Association Between State Same-Sex Marriage Policies and Adolescent Suicide Attempts
Findings:  This difference-in-differences analysis of representative data from 47 states found that same-sex marriage policies were associated with a 7% reduction in the proportion of all high school students reporting a suicide attempt within the past year. The effect was concentrated among adolescents who were sexual minorities.

Conclusion: State same-sex marriage policies were associated with a reduction in the proportion of high school students reporting suicide attempts, providing empirical evidence for an association between same-sex marriage policies and mental health outcomes.

[JollyGood]

There seems to be a mindset within the US right and centre-right that they need to turn out at the voting stations in their droves to counter Biden, am not sure if they will be able to do it this time but Trump certainly feels confident.

@eddie13

What is your take on Fox News praising Biden and the launch of the Democratic Party National Convention? Is the tide turning for Trump or do you think his re-election chances have not been affected at all?

I haven’t watched this Fox News about Biden stuff..

It all really seems like a rerun of 2016 to me..
I don’t think Biden and Harris are very strong opponents so the d noms have gone well for a trump reelection..
I think all the rioting and blm bullshit will actually drive more voters for trump..
The whole Covid thing is just unfortunate and obviously being played out to the max by leftist states..
The communist agenda controlled media sure are trying hard again, same as 2016..
I still put about zero stock in any of the polls no matter what they claim..

I might not be quite as confident now but I still think Trump will win, or has a very good chance of winning, no matter what the media says..

Trump winning actually effects me as far as job opportunities so I hope he wins..

Doesn’t really matter anyway.. The bet is made, so it is what it is..
I’m not stressing about it..

[Gyfts]

I don't think democrats as of the last decade have been too cozy with law enforcement in general with many prominent democrats repeating lies about the profession and repeatedly claiming justified shootings of black men to be indicative of systemic racism, but Joe Biden's statement on the recent Jacob Blake shooting just epitomizes everything wrong with democrats and law enforcement in the year 2020, and it is GOING to cost them votes because the vast majority of citizens actually want law and order.

The Jacob Blake shooting involved an individual with warrants out for felony sexual assault on a 15 year old, domestic abuse, and resisting arrest with peace officers in the past who once again resisted officers and then reached into a car after refusing legal commands. He was shot multiple times in the back as he reached in the car and was paralyzed from the waist down.

Here is a very short video clip of the context - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html

We still need more information, obviously. But that did not stop rioters from burning down innocent people's businesses, looting, throwing bricks at police officers, and screeching "Black Lives Matter".

Joe Biden put out the following statement probably hours after the shooting circulated on social media:

https://joebiden.com/2020/08/24/statement-by-vice-president-joe-biden-on-the-shooting-of-jacob-blake-in-kenosha-wisconsin/

Yesterday in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Jacob Blake was shot seven times in the back as police attempted to restrain him from getting into his car. His children watched from inside the car and bystanders watched in disbelief. And this morning, the nation wakes up yet again with grief and outrage that yet another Black American is a victim of excessive force. This calls for an immediate, full and transparent investigation and the officers must be held accountable.
 
These shots pierce the soul of our nation. Jill and I pray for Jacob’s recovery and for his children.
 
Equal justice has not been real for Black Americans and so many others. We are at an inflection point. We must dismantle systemic racism. It is the urgent task before us. We must fight to honor the ideals laid in the original American promise, which we are yet to attain: That all men and women are created equal, but more importantly that they must be treated equally.

Doesn't ask for any more information, and immediately implies the police were in the wrong and further affirms the shooting was perpetrated because of systemic racism and NOT because of the facts regarding the circumstances. Biden knows better obviously but I've seen arguments from moderate liberals that say Joe Biden is a moderate, but my concern is that he will bend the knee to the radicals in his party and this tweet confirms my concern. His tweet does nothing but validate rioters who feel justified in tearing apart cities and I can assure you that independents are not going to look the other way at the polls when it comes election time. Not saying Trump's chances are good obviously because of polling data, but if these democratic keep race baiting justified police shootings and allowing their cities to be burned down, it'll add more fuel to Trump's campaign.

[PrimeNumber7]

The Jacob Blake shooting involved an individual with warrants out for felony sexual assault on a 15 year old, domestic abuse, and resisting arrest with peace officers in the past who once again resisted officers and then reached into a car after refusing legal commands. He was shot multiple times in the back as he reached in the car and was paralyzed from the waist down.

He was arresting arrest and attempting to flee from arrest, the later being a felony. The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so. You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

The shooting was entirely justified and anyone who says otherwise is either intentionally trying to mislead people or is uninformed. I would presume that Biden’s statement is the former.

[TwitchySeal]

The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so.

According to the supreme court, if an officer uses deadly force when not reasonably necessary - they can be charged criminally.  Not all felonies require deadly force therefore, your statement is not true.

You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

Just because a gun could be in a car or building that someone who just committed a felony is trying to enter does not give a police officer the right to use deadly force.  In 1985 the supreme court rules that it's a violation of the 4th amendment to use deadly force on a non violent person fleeing a crime scene that is unarmed.

Note: Entering a building or car that may have a gun in it is not the same as being armed. 

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

[PrimeNumber7]

You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around. This makes your argument moot as it gives police the probable cause to use deadly force once he becomes a fleeing felon.

[TwitchySeal]

You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around. This makes your argument moot as it gives police the probable cause to use deadly force once he becomes a fleeing felon.

You didn't read my entire post, or chose to ignore part of it, which makes your argument moot.  I was responding directly to your claim about when police have the right to use deadly force.

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

[velomare]

Ok, Tried somehow to read the topic but toooo much spam . anyway i would say congrats from now suchmoon for winning such a bet )

anyway i still can see a chance of trump winning, maybe he will speak with the russians about biden's health. ;

and to be on topic regarding blake's whatever shootings whatever. my opinion is: whatever. have you see what biden's tweet says? instantly police is at fault. have you seen what trump said? i guess you get my point.

my opinion is that biden is trying to play the good cop case which is a saint for far too much, i can't forget he was part of the terrible obama administration, who kept destroying the middle east and making a mess in south asia, not giving a shit about climate change (just speeches and nothing concrete...again) ..creating a stupid healthcare system which was like a joke... that was not dramatic change of the system .. was the swamp.

i think from the first place electing trump was a bad idea, but i liked to see that americans are getting what they deserve; now is the same shit as 4 years ago. no one vs trump. gj guys, you really did a good job not finding a fit person to run inside of a 400 mil country

[squatz1]

The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so.

According to the supreme court, if an officer uses deadly force when not reasonably necessary - they can be charged criminally.  Not all felonies require deadly force therefore, your statement is not true.

You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

Just because a gun could be in a car or building that someone who just committed a felony is trying to enter does not give a police officer the right to use deadly force.  In 1985 the supreme court rules that it's a violation of the 4th amendment to use deadly force on a non violent person fleeing a crime scene that is unarmed.

Note: Entering a building or car that may have a gun in it is not the same as being armed. 

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would side with the police officers in the case of Jacob Blake. Going into a car where officers are unaware of what you have in it opens up a potentially life threatening point for law enforcement. Whether I agree with this or disagree with this doesn't matter, this case would be an open and shut one of the SC.

If he was just running away from them and hadn't fired a weapon, pointed it at officers, or anything along those lines -- then shooting this particular person would not hold up. But in this case, I think the line is a bit more gray.

Ok, Tried somehow to read the topic but toooo much spam . anyway i would say congrats from now suchmoon for winning such a bet )

anyway i still can see a chance of trump winning, maybe he will speak with the russians about biden's health. ;

and to be on topic regarding blake's whatever shootings whatever. my opinion is: whatever. have you see what biden's tweet says? instantly police is at fault. have you seen what trump said? i guess you get my point.

my opinion is that biden is trying to play the good cop case which is a saint for far too much, i can't forget he was part of the terrible obama administration, who kept destroying the middle east and making a mess in south asia, not giving a shit about climate change (just speeches and nothing concrete...again) ..creating a stupid healthcare system which was like a joke... that was not dramatic change of the system .. was the swamp.

i think from the first place electing trump was a bad idea, but i liked to see that americans are getting what they deserve; now is the same shit as 4 years ago. no one vs trump. gj guys, you really did a good job not finding a fit person to run inside of a 400 mil country

He hasn't won yet. Election is in November bud.

[TwitchySeal]

The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so.

According to the supreme court, if an officer uses deadly force when not reasonably necessary - they can be charged criminally.  Not all felonies require deadly force therefore, your statement is not true.

You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

Just because a gun could be in a car or building that someone who just committed a felony is trying to enter does not give a police officer the right to use deadly force.  In 1985 the supreme court rules that it's a violation of the 4th amendment to use deadly force on a non violent person fleeing a crime scene that is unarmed.

Note: Entering a building or car that may have a gun in it is not the same as being armed.  

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would side with the police officers in the case of Jacob Blake. Going into a car where officers are unaware of what you have in it opens up a potentially life threatening point for law enforcement. Whether I agree with this or disagree with this doesn't matter, this case would be an open and shut one of the SC.

If he was just running away from them and hadn't fired a weapon, pointed it at officers, or anything along those lines -- then shooting this particular person would not hold up. But in this case, I think the line is a bit more gray.

There's too much unknown right now, if shooting 7 rounds into the guys back was justified, something must have happened or been said leading up to what we saw on video.  If the cop told gave him an order to lay down on the ground and he said 'fuck you I'm taking my kids home, don't touch me asshole' or something like that emptying a clip into his back is pretty unreasonable.  If he threatened the cop or gave some indication other than going to his car against orders that he intended to hurt someone, that would be different.

[squatz1]

The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so.

According to the supreme court, if an officer uses deadly force when not reasonably necessary - they can be charged criminally.  Not all felonies require deadly force therefore, your statement is not true.

You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

Just because a gun could be in a car or building that someone who just committed a felony is trying to enter does not give a police officer the right to use deadly force.  In 1985 the supreme court rules that it's a violation of the 4th amendment to use deadly force on a non violent person fleeing a crime scene that is unarmed.

Note: Entering a building or car that may have a gun in it is not the same as being armed. 

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would side with the police officers in the case of Jacob Blake. Going into a car where officers are unaware of what you have in it opens up a potentially life threatening point for law enforcement. Whether I agree with this or disagree with this doesn't matter, this case would be an open and shut one of the SC.

If he was just running away from them and hadn't fired a weapon, pointed it at officers, or anything along those lines -- then shooting this particular person would not hold up. But in this case, I think the line is a bit more gray.

There's too much unknown right now, if shooting 7 rounds into the guys back was justified, something must have happened or been said leading up to what we saw on video.  If the cop told gave him an order to lay down on the ground and he said 'fuck you I'm taking my kids home, don't touch me asshole' or something like that,  emptying a clip into his back is pretty unreasonable.

Totally a ton of unknowns right now. Pretty sure the cops in question weren't wearing bodycams, so that's not something that we're going to get at any point. I've seen a few reports of the police union (and the city that they were in) had continued to delay the usage of bodycams by law enforcement. Would be very helpful right now to have that audio and video, and I do think those should be mandated / heavily incentive to get more police forces to use them.

Whenever you're shooting something you're shooting to kill, not to wound -- and you're shooting at the area of the body with the most amount of mass where you have the best shot of connecting (which is obviously the back chest area)

I do want to see more information come out about this, that'll change a few variables here that are VERY important.

[eddie13]

You guys really think that police are just some cold blooded killers out to murder black people?

Just another propaganda opportunity.. anti gun and anti police.. perfect for the leftist media’s narrative..

I think I saw that he had a warrant for raping a little kid or Something..

https://lakecountygazette.com/stories/549300062-jacob-blake-man-shot-in-kenosha-had-long-history-with-lake-county-law-enforcement

Such a hero.. Totally never would have imagined this guy getting killed.. Was such a good boy.. About to go to college..

And all of the world cares about one dead guy..

[Gyfts]

Trump calls for drug test prior to 2020 Presidential debates citing Biden's increased coherence. Not presidential, not professional, not warranted but that is funny as hell: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-drug-tests-before-biden-debate

[suchmoon]

Trump calls for drug test prior to 2020 Presidential debates citing Biden's increased coherence. Not presidential, not professional, not warranted but that is funny as hell: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-drug-tests-before-biden-debate

That'd be great. Also a bicycle test please. And the one with the elephants and the snakes. All live on TV. Greatest ratings ever guaranteed.

[Gyfts]

Trump calls for drug test prior to 2020 Presidential debates citing Biden's increased coherence. Not presidential, not professional, not warranted but that is funny as hell: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-drug-tests-before-biden-debate

That'd be great. Also a bicycle test please. And the one with the elephants and the snakes. All live on TV. Greatest ratings ever guaranteed.

With how 2020's panning out, I'm waiting for a Trump v. Biden boxing match. Money's on Biden, for obvious reasons.

[suchmoon]

If he threatened the cop or gave some indication other than going to his car against orders that he intended to hurt someone, that would be different.

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/update-kenosha-officer-involved-shooting-0

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

I think I saw that he had a warrant for raping a little kid or Something..

https://lakecountygazette.com/stories/549300062-jacob-blake-man-shot-in-kenosha-had-long-history-with-lake-county-law-enforcement

Your link doesn't support your statement.