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August 21, 2014, 04:25:43 PM |
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Bitcoin is an opportunity for everyone in the whole world to participtate together without politics And without religious. Amen
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wpgdeez
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August 21, 2014, 04:40:28 PM |
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Bitcoin is an opportunity for everyone in the whole world to participtate together without politics And without religious. Amen 2 things that should never go together but often do!
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BitCoin Operated Boy
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August 21, 2014, 05:14:35 PM |
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Regarding the SP30 compensation, I'm sorry for the delay in our handling of it. We're extremely busy with the SP30 production. We'll contact each customer during next week.
Guy
I'm sorry but this is really ludicrous excuse. What does it have to do with it??? Producing miners is a manual process not intellectual... I don't really see the logic here. If you had no problem finding time to think what kind of sale offer for SP31 and advertise it then you certainly have had a plenty of time, within last 3 weeks to think about compensation options for October. As I said, on top of the fact that we have not even had a chance to earn anything from our Group Buy miners yet, we don't know if there is any sense in investing in October batch, because we have no clue what your compensation will offer. This uncertainty forces us to lose early order, queue positions for October batch.
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Guy Corem (OP)
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August 21, 2014, 05:26:27 PM |
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Regarding the SP30 compensation, I'm sorry for the delay in our handling of it. We're extremely busy with the SP30 production. We'll contact each customer during next week.
Guy
I'm sorry but this is really ludicrous excuse. What does it have to do with it??? Producing miners is a manual process not intellectual... I don't really see the logic here. If you had no problem finding time to think what kind of sale offer for SP31 and advertise it then you certainly have had a plenty of time, within last 3 weeks to think about compensation options for October. As I said, on top of the fact that we have not even had a chance to earn anything from our Group Buy miners yet, we don't know if there is any sense in investing in October batch, because we have no clue what your compensation will offer. This uncertainty forces us to lose early order, queue positions for October batch. Your frustration is acknowledged. You underestimate the amount of work involved but I don't want to argue about it. The GB miners will be shipped during next week. You and all the SP30 customers will be contacted and offered the relevant compensation choices. Guy
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August 21, 2014, 05:33:03 PM |
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I'm sorry but this is really ludicrous excuse. What does it have to do with it??? Producing miners is a manual process not intellectual... I don't really see the logic here.
It appears that Katya handles a lot of the shipping for Spondoolies. She also handles most of the sales and accounting stuff. She will probably be the person who contacts you about compensation options. She's busy making sure orders make it out the door right now in the correct order. Most of the rest of the staff is busy with issues related to recently beginning shipping, like handling support requests, fixing newly discovered issues with the firmware, etc.
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jtoomim
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August 21, 2014, 05:34:06 PM |
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Could you post a link to jtoomim website, please? I'd like to find out more info
http://toom.im
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Hosting bitcoin miners for $65 to $80/kW/month on clean, cheap hydro power. http://Toom.im
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Guy Corem (OP)
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August 21, 2014, 05:35:06 PM |
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I'm sorry but this is really ludicrous excuse. What does it have to do with it??? Producing miners is a manual process not intellectual... I don't really see the logic here.
It appears that Katya handles a lot of the shipping for Spondoolies. She also handles most of the sales and accounting stuff. She will probably be the person who contacts you about compensation options. She's busy making sure orders make it out the door right now in the correct order. Most of the rest of the staff is busy with issues related to recently beginning shipping, like handling support requests, fixing newly discovered issues with the firmware, etc. Correct. We've augmented our customer support. Barbara will contact the customers next week.
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grn
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August 21, 2014, 05:43:05 PM |
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Your frustration is acknowledged. You underestimate the amount of work involved but I don't want to argue about it. The GB miners will be shipped during next week. You and all the SP30 customers will be contacted and offered the relevant compensation choices.
Guy
Some of your business decisions are quite impressive. Don't disclose compensation until after the under performing product has shipped. Wise move!
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How is that Lexical analysis working out bickneleski?
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August 21, 2014, 05:58:09 PM |
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So you're refusing to compensate for the missing J/GH?
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Buy & Hold
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Guy Corem (OP)
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August 21, 2014, 06:03:41 PM |
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I believe I was clear enough from our first announcement.
Remind me, have you bought a miner from us ?
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August 21, 2014, 06:43:01 PM |
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122648-001 Compaq 220/ 240V Power Distribution Unit- High Voltage PDU
with 2 PDU 15 amp cables on a 220v 40 amp circuit should be enough?
To run SP31 in my garage?
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August 21, 2014, 06:46:27 PM Last edit: August 21, 2014, 07:06:04 PM by RawDog |
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Most of the rest of the staff is busy with issues related to recently beginning shipping, like handling support requests, fixing newly discovered issues with the firmware, etc. I think most of the staff is working on the SP50. Cash refunds helps no one. The only thing which will make Spondoolies customers get back on track is an insane deal and early arrival of the new machine. I'll take two please. Spondoolies should spend all the compensation funds getting the SP50 out earlier and more efficient. Why give cash back? Nobody wants cash. They want hashing. Isn't that clear? Please, Spondoolies, don't send any money back. That does us no good at all. We don't want money - we want hashing. That is why we came to you in the first place. Can't you give the people what they want?
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August 21, 2014, 07:37:38 PM |
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Warning!
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August 21, 2014, 07:48:13 PM |
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122648-001 Compaq 220/ 240V Power Distribution Unit- High Voltage PDU
with 2 PDU 15 amp cables on a 220v 40 amp circuit should be enough?
To run SP31 in my garage?
Setup should work. That PDU will just cover you.
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August 21, 2014, 07:57:39 PM |
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Most of the rest of the staff is busy with issues related to recently beginning shipping, like handling support requests, fixing newly discovered issues with the firmware, etc. I think most of the staff is working on the SP50. Cash refunds helps no one. The only thing which will make Spondoolies customers get back on track is an insane deal and early arrival of the new machine. I'll take two please. Spondoolies should spend all the compensation funds getting the SP50 out earlier and more efficient. Why give cash back? Nobody wants cash. They want hashing. Isn't that clear? Please, Spondoolies, don't send any money back. That does us no good at all. We don't want money - we want hashing. That is why we came to you in the first place. Can't you give the people what they want? You know, this isn't exactly a bad idea. All customers who bought SP30 would like to have best hashing hardware possible. Spondoolies has lots of expertise and little cash. Why ask them for cash? They will skimp about trying to distribute a cash refund. A cash refund will cause them to fire some staff and cut some capacity which could otherwise be converted into better future products. What does Spondoolies have plenty of? Talent. Let them pay their shortcomings with something they have loads of. This way, they won't try to short anyone. They may even feel bad and give generously. They won't be giving cash generously. So, compensation is probably better given in the form of future product rather than cash.
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August 21, 2014, 08:05:28 PM |
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You know, this isn't exactly a bad idea.
All customers who bought SP30 would like to have best hashing hardware possible. Spondoolies has lots of expertise and little cash. Why ask them for cash? They will skimp about trying to distribute a cash refund. A cash refund will cause them to fire some staff and cut some capacity which could otherwise be converted into better future products.
What does Spondoolies have plenty of? Talent. Let them pay their shortcomings with something they have loads of. This way, they won't try to short anyone. They may even feel bad and give generously. They won't be giving cash generously.
So, compensation is probably better given in the form of future product rather than cash.
If I had to guess, I'd say you're the only one who thinks this way. Seems like a BFL/KNC move that would cause an outrage. With what money will their customers spend on next gen hardware when they will not ROI with their current sp30's?
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August 21, 2014, 08:12:07 PM |
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Seems like a BFL/KNC move that would cause an outrage.
With what money will their customers spend on next gen hardware when they will not ROI with their current sp30's?
I haven't put any money out of my pocket this year yet I have acquired numerous miners and I plan to buy more. It's also true that I have only cashed out around 60% of my initial investment, but I can cover the rest at any time with bitcoins. I am sure that the SP30s will help me keep acquiring more hashpower without any fiat payments from me.
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August 21, 2014, 08:28:43 PM |
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Seems like a BFL/KNC move that would cause an outrage.
With what money will their customers spend on next gen hardware when they will not ROI with their current sp30's?
I haven't put any money out of my pocket this year yet I have acquired numerous miners and I plan to buy more. It's also true that I have only cashed out around 60% of my initial investment, but I can cover the rest at any time with bitcoins. I am sure that the SP30s will help me keep acquiring more hashpower without any fiat payments from me. So? Who cares what currency you paid and how you made that money? What about your customers who aren't as fortunate as you? You can twist reality to fit your rhetoric as much as you want but it won't give the SP30 a better chance at ROI, only a ~$1500 refund or free ~2TH will.
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August 21, 2014, 08:48:50 PM |
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Seems like a BFL/KNC move that would cause an outrage.
With what money will their customers spend on next gen hardware when they will not ROI with their current sp30's?
I haven't put any money out of my pocket this year yet I have acquired numerous miners and I plan to buy more. It's also true that I have only cashed out around 60% of my initial investment, but I can cover the rest at any time with bitcoins. I am sure that the SP30s will help me keep acquiring more hashpower without any fiat payments from me. this story reminds me of the following anecdote: "Potential client comes to a broker and asks why he should invest. Broker starts showing his yachts and residences. Pissed off potential client says: "...and where are the customers' yachts?"
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