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August 02, 2014, 04:37:54 PM
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So I will be stopping reading the thread for a while at least, unless Guy will ask me specifically to reply somewhere. If you have technical issues, feedbacks etc`, feel free to use my email. Best of luck to all those getting SP30. Please remember we got the ASICs just about 10 days ago and working around the clock to make the FW as good and stable as possible.

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Don't you see, that this is what the stupid jealous trolling twats are accomplishing? So far, you have the best of customer and technical support in BTC mining field, please continue keeping it on the level. They would have done the same trolling, even if you have missed you specs by 10MH or late deliver 24H. And most of them never even touched a SP Tech gear, hence they are jealous they do not owe one, so they will try to discredit SP Tech to the MAX.

Does any of them bitch in Bitmain's threads, stating that half of their S3 are stuck in an infinite loop with UPS? That 80% of S3s need to be taken apart to be cleaned of the excess thermal grease and reapplied new paste, in order to work %10 below expectations? That shipping companies are asking for their SSN, because of Bitmains poor logistics? That S3s need to be restarted every 3 hours to keep the hashrate from going down?

You are a decent company in the mining business, please ignore the retarded, psychologically disabled persons in this forum and concentrate on what you do best, building the most ultimate mining hardware around!!! If you leave your loyal customers without support here, the only who will suffer will be the ones who believed in you and continue to do so.

I must warn you, the better you became, the more haters gonna come. Deal with it, this is just the beginning...
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I think that in most cases you guys are overreacting to a typical message board banter. Once the machines will be flowing, the discussion would turn more technical.
I am actually enjoying the freewilling personalities here as long as the discussion is focused on tech and not religion, race, nationality, etc. You can post on Guardian or NY Times boards for that, and I am sure that some of participants here do just that judging by the similar styles  Smiley
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When the CEO goes around repeatedly throwing the 6 - 6.5 TH numbers around on the forum, he has a responsibility to qualify his statements if there are any.

He did qualify his statements:
"Seriously, we know what we are doing"

"You can take that uncertainty out of the equation"

I relied on those qualifications to my detriment. 

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Thank you for letting me know you are the first to reach the limit of 28nm Sha256 engineering.
Thank you again.

RockerBox is certainly not the limit of 28nm SHA256 engineering.
PickAxe our 3rd gen is also 28nm. The fact that we're using exactly the same process means one less production risk for us. We gained a lot from the issue we encountered with the first wafers lots of RockerBox.
I believe that there is still a lot room for improvement.


Hmmm, let me guess.  Now you learn a lot, you seriously know what you are doing now. 

Learned lots on customer's expense.  I hope those customers get some nice PickAxe offers laters.  Any of your Yukon customers ought to get access to some serious catch-up hardware.  Everyone knows you don't have money to return to customers, but what you do have is the ability to make kick-ass hardware.  Compensation should be in the form of future kick-ass hardware - that way you don't have to short everyone.  Maybe then, customers will be happy.

Even Bitmain came up short, gave good value on future hardware (S3 coupons), and everyone was happy.  Giving back money doesn't help anyone.  They don't want money - they want the hash power you said was coming.



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August 02, 2014, 05:25:21 PM
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Rawdog you never bought anything from ST , so go fuck yourself.

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August 02, 2014, 05:32:45 PM
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I'm not digging through dozens of pages of political bickering. I'm looking for specs.

I know it will be ~4.5TH/s @ ~3000W in a 2U form factor. How loud will the SP30 be?

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August 02, 2014, 05:34:51 PM
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I'm not digging through dozens of pages of political bickering. I'm looking for specs.

I know it will be ~4.5TH/s @ ~3000W in a 2U form factor. How loud will the SP30 be?

Like 5 dB or so quieter than SP10 IIRC

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I'm not digging through dozens of pages of political bickering. I'm looking for specs.

I know it will be ~4.5TH/s @ ~3000W in a 2U form factor. How loud will the SP30 be?

Like 5 dB or so quieter than SP10 IIRC

The most relevant point (to choose home mining vs datacenter)-does it screech (a la Sp-10) or whoosh?
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August 02, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
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Please remember we got the ASICs just about 10 days ago and working around the clock to make the FW as good and stable as possible.

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Thanks for all the hard work. Can't wait to see what magic you can shake out of the box with the FW.

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Have an august order with hosting... Write few mails about it 1-2 days ago still nothing from them...

Hi Whisper, We are doing our best to answer all requests in a timely manner, we will get to your email as well.

As Guy mentioned we are working to increase our customer service department but this process takes time.

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August 02, 2014, 07:22:57 PM
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Please remember we got the ASICs just about 10 days ago and working around the clock to make the FW as good and stable as possible.

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Thanks for all the hard work. Can't wait to see what magic you can shake out of the box with the FW.

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Please remember we got the ASICs just about 10 days ago and working around the clock to make the FW as good and stable as possible.

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Thanks for all the hard work. Can't wait to see what magic you can shake out of the box with the FW.

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Ok, Guy taught me how to block users and after blocking RawDog, s1gs3gv and Zig I am back at the forum Smiley
Please share your performance statistics etc`, and if your miner provides less then 4.4TH let me know so I can check what's wrong.

I will say again that the miner will restart mining several times because it checks for PSU limit over the first day. We have 2 PSU so when 1 of them fails, the system remembers it's power limitation and restarts it. We start trying to pull ~1360 watt, but usually in the end of day it will settle down on 1320 watt. Note that the miner will change it's own "max PSU" settings.

Just thinking about it:
- the miner works few watt away from PSU failure
- it works 110% PSU capacity 100% of the time
- it works 5 mhz away from ASIC over-clocking failure
- 70% of normal ASIC voltage
- 24 hours a day 7 days a week
- at 99.9% ASIC load all the time (0.01% idle time when ASIC changing frequency and when new block arrives)
- at temperature of ~75c

This is the craziest business...
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Thanks.
I wanted to read the experiences of  people in the morning with the new SP30s, and I read so much bullshit to get to 1 or 2 interesting  posts.

Anyway, there was a bug with 110V that I fixed in 2.2.23 - upgrade if you have 110V. It should provide almost 4.00Th now in 110V, I will try to increase it a bit next week.

I wrote long time ago ago when someone asked that 110V will take 7% to 20% of your hashing. This is what we see - ~12%.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469.msg7218217#msg7218217

Zvi, I know exactly what you're talking about regarding the bullshit. It sucks. It's mostly only been a problem over the last week, basically since the announcement of underperformance. I think it will die down in a week or two, once people get used to the new ratings. In the mean time, we might want to create a separate thread for technival discussions only, and moderate it heavily to keep people on topic. Oh, and don't feed the trolls, people.

About the firmware stuff: I can confirm this. Zvi logged in to my SP30 last night via a port forward I set up for him, diagnosed the issue, and compiled and installed a new version of the FW before I woke up. I've done some temp measurements on the 122V cables, and they're only 6°C above ambient. The new firmware improves performance by fixing a bug in the DC2DC voltage selection, and fixes an issue with the PSU power limit. It hardcodes the PSU power limit pretty low, though (1080 W), which is why the performance is only about 3.98 TH/s with my machine. I am optimistic that we'll be able to bring performance up higher on 120V, possibly as much as 4.3 TH/s. I think I saw 4.3 TH/s briefly on the 2.18 firmware without the 1080 W limit installed before I ran into the bug, so I think it possible we will be able to get it again.

This particular SP30 shows in its stats log that it was hashing at a solid 4.5 TH/s for 24 hours on the 29th of July (burn in testing in Israel), so this is just a firmware+120V issue. Once I get this on 200V+, I expect I'll be able to get it back up to 4.5 TH/s or maybe even higher with some tweaking (and 254V?).

Power consumption at the wall is temporarily unavailable in the stats, but Zvi said it would return in one of the next firmware revisions.

Thanks again to Zvi and Harel and Guy and the rest of Spondoolies for their hard work. Bugs aside, this is a gorgeous piece of engineering, and I'm excited to soon have a room full of them running at their full potential.

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uptime:8535
-----TOP-BOARD-----
PSU-TOP[EMERSON1200]: 0->1084w[1084 1084 1084] (lim=1080) 0c cooling:0/0x0
LOOP[0] ON
 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:675 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 58W  86A  56c] ASIC:[ 85c  675hz(BL: 675)  327 (E:193) F:0]
 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 56W  82A  54c] ASIC:[ 85c  660hz(BL: 660)  302 (E:193) F:0]
 2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:673 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 59W  88A  50c] ASIC:[ 85c  675hz(BL: 675)  296 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[1] ON
 3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:673 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 60W  89A  57c] ASIC:[ 85c  680hz(BL: 680)  305 (E:193) F:0]
 4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:675 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 55W  81A  60c] ASIC:[ 85c  660hz(BL: 660)  293 (E:193) F:0]
 5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 59W  87A  63c] ASIC:[ 85c  690hz(BL: 690)  306 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[2] ON
 6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 56W  83A  64c] ASIC:[ 85c  675hz(BL: 675)  309 (E:193) F:0]
 7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 53W  79A  63c] ASIC:[ 85c  620hz(BL: 620)  279 (E:193) F:0]
 8: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:677(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 51W  76A  52c] ASIC:[ 85c  590hz(BL: 590)  250 (E:180) F:0]
LOOP[3] ON
 9: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:675 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 66W  97A  67c] ASIC:[ 85c  725hz(BL: 725)  316 (E:193) F:0]
10: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 66W  97A  70c] ASIC:[ 85c  730hz(BL: 730)  315 (E:193) F:0]
11: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:673 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 62W  92A  70c] ASIC:[ 85c  735hz(BL: 735)  328 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[4] ON
12: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:673 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 61W  90A  73c] ASIC:[ 85c  715hz(BL: 715)  309 (E:193) F:0]
13: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:675 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 64W  94A  74c] ASIC:[ 85c  740hz(BL: 740)  344 (E:193) F:0]
14: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:677 vlt2:680(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 66W  97A  62c] ASIC:[ 85c  720hz(BL: 720)  336 (E:193) F:0]
----BOTTOM BOARD------
PSU-BOT[EMERSON1200]: 0->1080w[1076 1080 1076] (lim=1080) 0c cooling:0/0x0
LOOP[5] ON
15: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:666 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 51W  76A  51c] ASIC:[ 85c  635hz(BL: 635)  277 (E:193) F:0]
16: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 50W  74A  50c] ASIC:[ 85c  625hz(BL: 625)  278 (E:193) F:0]
17: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 58W  86A  49c] ASIC:[ 85c  675hz(BL: 675)  290 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[6] ON
18: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:666 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 56W  84A  57c] ASIC:[ 85c  675hz(BL: 675)  311 (E:193) F:0]
19: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:666 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 57W  85A  59c] ASIC:[ 85c  690hz(BL: 690)  338 (E:193) F:0]
20: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:669 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 52W  78A  58c] ASIC:[ 85c  640hz(BL: 640)  293 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[7] ON
21: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 53W  78A  65c] ASIC:[ 85c  660hz(BL: 660)  317 (E:193) F:0]
22: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 57W  85A  67c] ASIC:[ 85c  695hz(BL: 695)  298 (E:193) F:0]
23: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:666 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 56W  84A  56c] ASIC:[ 85c  685hz(BL: 685)  314 (E:192) F:0]
LOOP[8] ON
24: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:667 vlt2:672(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 44W  66A  57c] ASIC:[ 85c  545hz(BL: 545)  230 (E:191) F:0]
25: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:669 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 62W  92A  70c] ASIC:[ 85c  730hz(BL: 730)  329 (E:193) F:0]
26: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 61W  91A  72c] ASIC:[ 85c  740hz(BL: 740)  342 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[9] ON
27: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:669 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 62W  92A  77c] ASIC:[ 85c  750hz(BL: 750)  382 (E:193) F:0]
28: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 60W  90A  78c] ASIC:[ 85c  740hz(BL: 740)  340 (E:193) F:0]
29: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:671 vlt2:674(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:727) 62W  92A  64c] ASIC:[ 85c  750hz(BL: 750)  343 (E:193) F:0]

[H:HW:3961Gh[1985+1975],W:1746,L:0,A:30,MMtmp:0 TMP:(30)=>=>=>(67,67)]
Pushed 30 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:3, hw:3)!
min:55 wins:9297[this/last min:38/64] bist-fail:1060, hw-err:0
leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/0, rate:4473gh/s
Fan:90, conseq:200
I2C BUSY with BUG: 1
R/NR: 7855/0
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Zvi, I know exactly what you're talking about regarding the bullshit. It sucks. It's mostly only been a problem over the last week, basically since the announcement of underperformance.

Yeah, people get pissed when you try to fuck them in the ass after they send you money.  Imagine that.

You can't tell me SPD didn't expect a serious backlash in view of all they said about certaintey and how serious the shortcoming was.  I am just trying to help give them the grief they know they deserve.  It will motivate them to speak more humbly in the future.  And possibly to avoid major fuck ups which cost their customers thousands of euros.

I am pretty fucking sure Guy knows this anti-PR is well deserved.  As soon as he sends me a personal note to that effect, I'll stop. 

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You must be planning to install a wind tunnel, lol!
And that 200,000 btu's would be the heat that the units are generating - that many units would create enough heat to get a very large room above 40C in only a few minutes.  I question if you would even be able to put 21 of them into a 42U rack without literally cooking the units (unless you're literally in a 100% hot aisle/ cold aisle contained facility that has a huge pressure differential)
What kind of cooling system are you putting in place to dissipate that kind of volume of heat?

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So let me understand, when will the August Batch start delivering?

By the looks of it the pictures (at least the last one) were taken 2014-07-29 around 4:20PM with a Nikon D3000 camera  (EXIF says).
Since most of the units there waiting for QA (by the paper tags) have rack ears, I'm guessing that what we see in the pictures are the units going to the data centers for hosting or were installed in the local datacenter as the July batch.

RoadStress said earlier that the group buy units are expected during the second part of August. Knowing DHL/UPS guys .. I'm expecting something in the week starting Aug 25 .. Thu or Fri delivery.

Your question still stands though.


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This particular SP30 shows in its stats log that it was hashing at a solid 4.5 TH/s for 24 hours on the 29th of July (burn in testing in Israel), so this is just a firmware+120V issue. Once I get this on 200V+, I expect I'll be able to get it back up to 4.5 TH/s or maybe even higher with some tweaking (and 254V?).


Does it make a loud screeching sound as Sp-10 does or is it making a whooshing sound? I understand that it is ~65-67dB at 1m, correct?
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Does it make a loud screeching sound as Sp-10 does or is it making a whooshing sound? I understand that it is ~65-67dB at 1m, correct?

I don't have a dB meter handy. As best as I can tell (which isn't very good), it's about the same as an SP10 in both quality and quantity. I don't have my SP10 here to compare against, though. If you want to hear it, you could Skype me (jtoomim) or Facetime me (jtoomim@jtoomim.org).

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Does it make a loud screeching sound as Sp-10 does or is it making a whooshing sound? I understand that it is ~65-67dB at 1m, correct?

I don't have a dB meter handy.
thanks for invite
i got this
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/decibel-meter-pro/id382776256?mt=8
but here is the android equivalent
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.sira.sound&hl=en
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