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August 02, 2014, 12:56:04 AM
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@Rawdog - come on dud you happened to get lucky that bitmain ninja launched their 28nm hardware , don't act like you knew what u were doing when you passed on the sp30.

It was obvious to anyone watching Bitmain that when they started heavily discounting the S1 that the S3 launch was just a few months away. It didn't require clairvoyance.

yeah they talked about it but there was nothing to order around may and april

Right, but we all saw it coming. And we all know Bitmain's reputation and style. Anybody that ordered the SP30 back in April or May have waited a LONG time and must be hurting now considering how much they were selling for. There was never a hope of ROI under realistic conditions for those who purchased at that time at retail prices.
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August 02, 2014, 01:02:24 AM
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@Rawdog - come on dud you happened to get lucky that bitmain ninja launched their 28nm hardware , don't act like you knew what u were doing when you passed on the sp30.

It was obvious to anyone watching Bitmain that when they started heavily discounting the S1 that the S3 launch was just a few months away. It didn't require clairvoyance.

yeah they talked about it but there was nothing to order around may and april

Right, but we all saw it coming. And we all know Bitmain's reputation and style. Anybody that ordered the SP30 back in April or May have waited a LONG time and must be hurting now considering how much they were selling for. There was never a hope of ROI under realistic conditions for those who purchased at that time at retail prices.

If they had met spec ROI would have been fine, hindsight is 20/20 but yeah this is most definitely my last preorder unless we see some amazing compensation

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August 02, 2014, 01:03:12 AM
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Guy mentioned 6 TH and even 6.5 TH a number of times here without qualifying the statement by saying 'but not on 110 volts'

Then let yours mine on an AAA battery and ask for compensation.

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And the fact that the SP10 had lower hashrate on 110V didn't made you think that the SP30 will have lower speed on 110V? For me it was obvious that the 110V has it's limitations that don't exist on 220V, but not for you.

For me, it was obvious that the machine had it limitations in general (ability to ROI), but not for you.

When the CEO goes around repeatedly throwing the 6 - 6.5 TH numbers around on the forum, he has a responsibility to qualify his statements if there are any. I'm not surprised that some of the more experienced SP30 customers seem to be unhappy with the compensation plan as it currently exists. And I am surprised that you are being so defensive about an obvious shortcoming in the SP30. Did anyone really expect it to go perfectly without any problems ?
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August 02, 2014, 01:06:14 AM
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Guy mentioned 6 TH and even 6.5 TH a number of times here without qualifying the statement by saying 'but not on 110 volts'

Then let yours mine on an AAA battery and ask for compensation.

Thats a feckless remark. The specs don't claim it will run on an AAA battery. They do claim it will run on an input voltage of 90-264 volts AC and they do not qualify the performance based on input voltage.

In fact, there is no good reason that the SP30 performance should depend on input voltage, provided it is within spec.
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August 02, 2014, 01:26:05 AM
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The thing I find most surprising is that ST is still pricing the Sept. SP30 machines at $3895 + shipping.  For the same price, I can buy 4+ TH of S3 machines and mine 4 - 5 BTC before the SP30 starts mining. To be competitive, the SP30 should be priced no more than 2.5 BTC
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August 02, 2014, 01:34:13 AM
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The thing I find most surprising is that ST is still pricing the Sept. SP30 machines at $3895 + shipping.  For the same price, I can buy 4+ TH of S3 machines and mine 4 - 5 BTC before the SP30 starts mining. To be competitive, the SP30 should be priced no more than 2.5 BTC

You think so...maybe I can NOT justify this inflated price either...But ask SP-Tech... or "Money-Tech" in translation ...  Huh

Or better...ask RoadStress ...he will explain everything to you ...and me...and anybody else...

They pooped pretty bad ...but SP-Tech / RoadStress ... will NOT admit the bad smell... Grin

BFL ...or KnC ...you name you favorite "here"...did not either...

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August 02, 2014, 01:43:41 AM
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I don't have to explain / answer this to you...It is more than obvious...

Now you are acting as a SP-Tech PR...or maybe more like their legal department...SP-Tech is silent...but you are not...carrying these function(s) for them... Grin
Let's be it...Your choice, RoadStress...
But don't even try to convince me that it is for free...or "for the love of God"...Capisco... Wink
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Last question...Are you Jewish, RoadStress...Huh

I was acting as an independent legal department long before SP-Tech (check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253282.0 for reference)

I am not jewish and I hope that you will keep your promise and this will be your last personal question about me.

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August 02, 2014, 01:49:26 AM
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I was acting as an independent legal department long before SP-Tech (check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253282.0 for reference)

That was a good laugh. Thanks for the link !
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August 02, 2014, 01:49:55 AM
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Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.

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August 02, 2014, 02:12:22 AM
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Thats a feckless remark.

It is, and I got carried away by your remark on voltage specs.
You're right, in the end, what's written matters, not what's implied.  

I'm sorry.

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August 02, 2014, 02:39:24 AM
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I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.

I have no doubt KNC will also improve the Neptune in later batches.
Unless BTC starts appreciating soon, you won't be able to improve these miners enough to make a difference.
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August 02, 2014, 02:39:52 AM
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That's not such a good number for people who were promised 6TH on their 120 circuits

Customers were never promised 6Th/s on their 110V circuits. Another lie.


Guy mentioned 6 TH and even 6.5 TH a number of times here without qualifying the statement by saying 'but not on 110 volts'

Guy mentioned a lot of shit which didn't come true.  Unicorns and Unobtainium - that's what they are peddling from Tel Aviv these days.  I should never have bet on those guys.  Shit.  All garbage and lies.  I paid a price for believing in that dream.  

Thank god for china and the AntMiner - now I can pay for my losses in Israel.  Hope you enjoyed the money Guy and Zvi.  I know I won't be able to.

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August 02, 2014, 02:48:46 AM
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Thats a feckless remark.

It is, and I got carried away by your remark on voltage specs.
You're right, in the end, what's written matters, not what's implied.  

I'm sorry.

Hey, no problem. Thanks for the apology but no need - plenty of feckless goings on here and nobody else apologizes so carry on. This is the forum where the frustrated bitcoin will be $10K any day now and I'll never have to work for a living again crowd come to rub shoulders with the my machine is bigger than your machine crowd. For example, RoadStress is over on the KNC forum right now slagging off KNC trying to make himself feel a little better

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August 02, 2014, 02:54:33 AM
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I don't have to explain / answer this to you...It is more than obvious...

Now you are acting as a SP-Tech PR...or maybe more like their legal department...SP-Tech is silent...but you are not...carrying these function(s) for them... Grin
Let's be it...Your choice, RoadStress...
But don't even try to convince me that it is for free...or "for the love of God"...Capisco... Wink
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Last question...Are you Jewish, RoadStress...Huh

I was acting as an independent legal department long before SP-Tech (check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253282.0 for reference)

I am not jewish and I hope that you will keep your promise and this will be your last personal question about me.

OK ...RoadStress...

Don't take me wrong...I think that you a good guy...You did really EXCELLENT job in SP30 Group Buy...You REALLY DID...almost convinced me to pull the trigger... Grin

Simply I don't buy anything pre-order...only in stock...or no more than couple weeks shipped...like S3...or Zeus...

I have nothing personal to you...but SP-Tech just FAILED to deliver SP30 on specs...2 of most important nowadays for miners ...like me and you...Hash rate and Power rating...It is a Failure...Just ADMIT it...

Nobody is perfect...Miscalculations / simulations mistakes in technology...fast as this one... are not uncommon...

Nothing more...and it will probably help SP-Tech to IMPROVE their image in the future...which I tend to believe is on the bright side ...

Cheers,

ZiG

  
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August 02, 2014, 02:56:57 AM
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Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.

Thank you.

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August 02, 2014, 03:05:49 AM
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Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.

Thank you.

For what... Failing to deliver on most important specs... Huh

He is sarcastic...did you notice...

Admit your failure, SP-Tech...Admit it...apologize ...and compensate for it...

Otherwise you would lose the most important...the TRUST of your customers, ...which is the fastest way to the abyss ...like your favorite example...KnC...Capisco... Huh

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August 02, 2014, 03:07:33 AM
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Rawdog give it up, you sound like a lonely demented child.

Lies mixed with facts dont help anyone unless they have something to hide.

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Now how about those shipped order numbers etc?
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August 02, 2014, 03:24:56 AM
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Admit your failure, SP-Tech...Admit it...apologize ...and compensate for it...

Sincerely,

ZiG


I like to think i'm a decent size customer (for an individual anyways), and i don't think they failed.   They created the best miner on the planet, and they treat their customers like real people...show me one other manufacturer that treats their customers as well as these guys.


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Admit your failure, SP-Tech...Admit it...apologize ...and compensate for it...

Sincerely,

ZiG


I like to think i'm a decent size customer (for an individual anyways), and i don't think they failed.   They created the best miner on the planet, and they treat their customers like real people...show me one other manufacturer that treats their customers as well as these guys.




I agree with you on the merits of SP-Tech...up to that moment...as well as a very good engineering effort... I don't dough that they are working hard...and trying their best...

But failure is ...failure on specs...no matter how you like to twist...or believe...it is a FACT already...IMHO...

Some people believe in "Tooth Fiery" ...or "Santa Claus" ...whatever... Wink

My opinion is that...Yours may vary...Facts are facts...SP-Tech failed to deliver the promised specs...Period...

ZiG

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I am out of this debate...Will buy when in stock...on specs...at the right price...I was hoping for August...which is today...Not happening...My money is going to BitMain...Sorry...

Your mileage can vary ... Grin

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