[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[mrpark]

The $64,000 question: Which is louder SP20 or S3. What is the DB of the SP20? Why is it not posted in the specs. I would have to be nuts to order one of these without that information.

I think S3 is way cheaper, they work well and are super quiet.

I am sure Bitmain tech will come out with something better by the time the preorders come in.

Not being negative, just keeping it real.

If you decide on spending so much, I really don´t see the point why noise would be an issue.

Your home cannot support ~75kW of constant power draw, never mind the heat.

Removing that will take atleast one 7500cfm industrial fan (which is probably louder than the miners, just saying).

Lol, the "$64,000 question" comment was not meant to be taken literally. Its just a saying taken from an old TV game show. The 64,000 question was for the ultimate prize.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_$64,000_Question

I think that's the funniest thing I heard all year! Even if I did have $64,000 I would not be buying SP20's 60db is WAY to loud for home use. I host anyway, but I also noticed those specialized fans are very hard to find.

I had a fan go bad on one of my hosted SP10, I had to special order it, and I also fear about the power supplies since they are not that easy to find (even if I did find, not sure it would just work). Recently I bought a no name dragon type miner for experimenting, it has a regular power supply, and it also came with some super duper LOUD industrial airplane fans. I removed the loud jet engine fans, and replaced them with silent High RPM, 2000 RPM fans. The miner is working great, and no problems with heat. Why the big loud fans? I don't know.  My thoughts on miner design, staying with the S3s if I need smaller miners.

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[Mabsark]

SP20: 1.7 TH/s, 2.5 BTC, ships late Oct, shipping cost not included.
S3: 1.8 TH/s (4x450), 2.3 BTC, ships late Sep, world-wide shipping cost included.

The S3 will mine nearly 1 BTC before the SP20 even ships. That puts the net price like this:

SP20: 2.5 BTC+shipping
S3: 1.3 BTC

The SP20 is twice as expensive!

I'm always a complainer about price, since it is the one factor that makes or breaks a sale. Seems I'm not the only one.
This is the way it always has been. Do I want to keep ordering other manufacture hardware? No, but I can't even break even with the retail of the Spon-Tech prices. Other manufactures (chinese for example) I can, because I get them in hand NOW and hash away though out the house.

With PSU and shipping, you're looking at around 1,600 USD for an SP20. An S3 comes out to about 320 USD with PSU (not sure about shipping cost) and an AM Tube comes to around 500 USD with PSU and shipping costs.

So, you could get 3 Tubes or 5 S3s for the cost of a single SP20.

[nhminer]

I had a fan go bad on one of my hosted SP10, I had to special order it, and I also fear about the power supplies since they are not that easy to find (even if I did find, not sure it would just work). Recently I bought a no name dragon type miner for experimenting, it has a regular power supply, and it also came with some super duper LOUD industrial airplane fans. I removed the loud jet engine fans, and replaced them with silent High RPM, 2000 RPM fans. The miner is working great, and no problems with heat. Why the big loud fans? I don't know.  My thoughts on miner design, staying with the S3s if I need smaller miners.

Which fans did you order?

[mrpark]

I had a fan go bad on one of my hosted SP10, I had to special order it, and I also fear about the power supplies since they are not that easy to find (even if I did find, not sure it would just work). Recently I bought a no name dragon type miner for experimenting, it has a regular power supply, and it also came with some super duper LOUD industrial airplane fans. I removed the loud jet engine fans, and replaced them with silent High RPM, 2000 RPM fans. The miner is working great, and no problems with heat. Why the big loud fans? I don't know.  My thoughts on miner design, staying with the S3s if I need smaller miners.

Which fans did you order?

For the SP10, or the no name miner?

For no name miner, cheap high RPM fans.

currently using

Cooler Master SickleFlow 120
69.69 CFM
2000 RPM
$7.50 each

Runner up - Other suggested to use Corsair HPE, but I had Cooler Masters in stock Corsair is a bit more expensive but I believe they are the same performance as cooler master. There is a video on Youtube comparing the two, and also you can buy both on Amazon.

Corsair Air Series SP120 PWM

Corsair Air Series SP120 PWM High Performance Edition
62.74 CFM
2300 RPM
$15 a piece

For SP10 power supply, I paid $18 plus $7 shipping for the fan. It was not a lot of money, but just had to hunt for it.
3200 RPM to 19000 RPM  
58db each fan!


http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Sanyo-Denki/9GV3612P3J03/?qs=t9Lg9qrXjEyzsQ/GUmONKA==

I saw they sell SP10 power supplies on Ebay, but I don't know if its true, but I heard they need to be modified to work in the SP10s.

[Biodom]

Why low % of rewarded shares on Eligius for SP-30?
83%? What could cause this?

[Biodom]

SP20: 1.7 TH/s, 2.5 BTC, ships late Oct, shipping cost not included.
S3: 1.8 TH/s (4x450), 2.3 BTC, ships late Sep, world-wide shipping cost included.

The S3 will mine nearly 1 BTC before the SP20 even ships. That puts the net price like this:

SP20: 2.5 BTC+shipping
S3: 1.3 BTC

The SP20 is twice as expensive!

I'm always a complainer about price, since it is the one factor that makes or breaks a sale. Seems I'm not the only one.
This is the way it always has been. Do I want to keep ordering other manufacture hardware? No, but I can't even break even with the retail of the Spon-Tech prices. Other manufactures (chinese for example) I can, because I get them in hand NOW and hash away though out the house.

With PSU and shipping, you're looking at around 1,600 USD for an SP20. An S3 comes out to about 320 USD with PSU (not sure about shipping cost) and an AM Tube comes to around 500 USD with PSU and shipping costs.

So, you could get 3 Tubes or 5 S3s for the cost of a single SP20.

tube 0.8Th
S3 0.453TH
SP-20 1.7TH

so 2.125 (equivalent of SP-20) tubes would be $1062. Plus, you also use ~2kw vs 1.1kw for Sp-20 or ~$80 extra/mo for the equivalent number of tubes/Sp-20.
So, after 5-6 mo, cost is roughly the same (if everything works 100%).

[Mabsark]

tube 0.8Th
S3 0.453TH
SP-20 1.7TH

so 2.125 (equivalent of SP-20) tubes would be $1062. Plus, you also use ~2kw vs 1.1kw for Sp-20 or ~$80 extra/mo for the equivalent number of tubes/Sp-20.
So, after 5-6 mo, cost is roughly the same (if everything works 100%).

What's with the weird calculations?

An SP20 with shipping and PSU costs 1600 USD whereas an AM Tube with shipping and PSU costs 500 USD. For 100 USD less I can get 0.7 Th/s more from AM hardware. As for the running costs working out over 6 months, how long do you expect the hardware to stay up and running for? The impression I've gotten from most miners is that they don't expect their hardware to last that long.

That SP20 price is simply terrible.

[Tigggger]

Why low % of rewarded shares on Eligius for SP-30?
83%? What could cause this?

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That's nothing to do with the SP-30 and everything to do with bad luck on eligius. 

[JPage]

Zvi,
I've got a slow SP30.  I don't understand what is going on with Loop(7) - Loop(9) but I've got this data from the asics page:

Uptime:396 | FPGA ver:32
-----BOARD-0-----
PSU-TOP[EMERSON1200]: 1536->1348w[1348 1344 1348] (lim=1360) 0c cooling:0/0x7000
-----BOARD-1-----
PSU-TOP[EMERSON1200]: 624->540w[540 540 536] (lim=1360) 0c cooling:0/0x7000
LOOP[0] ON
 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 62W  90A  67c] ASIC:[ 85c  710hz(BL: 710)   71 (E:193) F:0]
 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 68W  98A  72c] ASIC:[ 85c  765hz(BL: 765)   80 (E:193) F:0]
 2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 67W  96A  65c] ASIC:[ 85c  745hz(BL: 745)   82 (E:192) F:0]
LOOP[1] ON
 3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 71W 102A  71c] ASIC:[ 85c  770hz(BL: 770)   85 (E:193) F:0]
 4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 70W 100A  76c] ASIC:[ 85c  775hz(BL: 775)   74 (E:193) F:0]
 5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 66W  96A  76c] ASIC:[ 85c  745hz(BL: 745)   84 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[2] ON
 6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 66W  95A  80c] ASIC:[ 85c  740hz(BL: 740)   84 (E:193) F:0]
 7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 73W 105A  85c] ASIC:[ 85c  795hz(BL: 795)   84 (E:193) F:0]
 8: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 69W  99A  71c] ASIC:[ 85c  760hz(BL: 760)   67 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[3] ON
 9: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 75W 109A  85c] ASIC:[ 85c  805hz(BL: 805)   74 (E:193) F:0]
10: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 74W 106A  90c] ASIC:[ 85c  805hz(BL: 805)   80 (E:193) F:0]
11: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:698(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 67W  96A  84c] ASIC:[ 85c  745hz(BL: 745)   80 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[4] ON
12: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:695 Ul:749) 77W 111A  98c] ASIC:[105c  835hz(BL: 835)   75 (E:193) F:0]
13: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:679 vlt2:682(DCl:794 Tl:682 Ul:749) 67W  99A  90c] ASIC:[105c  760hz(BL: 760)   97 (E:192) F:0]
14: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:693(DCl:794 Tl:693 Ul:749) 71W 103A  79c] ASIC:[105c  785hz(BL: 785)   85 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[5] ON
15: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:699 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 71W 101A  75c] ASIC:[ 85c  785hz(BL: 785)   75 (E:192) F:0]
16: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 71W 101A  77c] ASIC:[ 85c  785hz(BL: 785)  100 (E:193) F:0]
17: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:699 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 72W 102A  68c] ASIC:[ 85c  795hz(BL: 795)   74 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[6] ON
18: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 75W 107A  71c] ASIC:[ 85c  805hz(BL: 805)   87 (E:193) F:0]
19: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 70W 100A  76c] ASIC:[ 85c  760hz(BL: 760)   76 (E:193) F:0]
20: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:703(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 70W 100A  77c] ASIC:[ 85c  780hz(BL: 780)   84 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[7] OFF (no data on loop)
21: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
22: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
23: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
LOOP[8] OFF (no data on loop)
24: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
25: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
26: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
LOOP[9] OFF (no data on loop)
27: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
28: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
29: disabled (i2c good, no OC)

[H:HW:3136Gh[2227+909],W:1479,L:0,A:21,MMtmp:0 TMP:(37)=>=>=>(82,46)]
Pushed 27 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:3, hw:3)!
min:28 wins:1698[this/last min:25/42] bist-fail:254, hw-err:8
leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/3, rate:2936gh/s
Fan:90, conseq:200
AC2DC BAD: 0 0
R/NR: 259/0
RTF asics: 0
[0 restarted][0 unexpected_reset][0 unexpected_reset2][0 too_much_fake_wins][0 stuck_bist][0 low_power_chiko][0 stuck_pll][0 runtime_disable][0 purge_queue][0 read_timeouts][0 dc2dc_oc][0 read_timeouts2][0 read_corruption][0 purge_queue3][0 bad_idle]
Adapter queues: rsp=0, req=22
FET:
TOP:1 BOTTOM:1

[Guy Corem]

...

Always pleasure to have another AM devotee in our little thread.

I must say, compare to his horde of zealots, FC in person is a great guy.

Usually, I would have asked about dividends, but since AM gen4 is around the corner, it saves me the trouble.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage

Beside, Athens is great and I have good mood.

Guy

[zvisha]

Zvi,
I've got a slow SP30.  I don't understand what is going on with Loop(7) - Loop(9) but I've got this data from the asics page:

Uptime:396 | FPGA ver:32
-----BOARD-0-----
PSU-TOP[EMERSON1200]: 1536->1348w[1348 1344 1348] (lim=1360) 0c cooling:0/0x7000
-----BOARD-1-----
PSU-TOP[EMERSON1200]: 624->540w[540 540 536] (lim=1360) 0c cooling:0/0x7000
LOOP[0] ON
 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 62W  90A  67c] ASIC:[ 85c  710hz(BL: 710)   71 (E:193) F:0]
 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 68W  98A  72c] ASIC:[ 85c  765hz(BL: 765)   80 (E:193) F:0]
 2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 67W  96A  65c] ASIC:[ 85c  745hz(BL: 745)   82 (E:192) F:0]
LOOP[1] ON
 3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 71W 102A  71c] ASIC:[ 85c  770hz(BL: 770)   85 (E:193) F:0]
 4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 70W 100A  76c] ASIC:[ 85c  775hz(BL: 775)   74 (E:193) F:0]
 5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 66W  96A  76c] ASIC:[ 85c  745hz(BL: 745)   84 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[2] ON
 6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 66W  95A  80c] ASIC:[ 85c  740hz(BL: 740)   84 (E:193) F:0]
 7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 73W 105A  85c] ASIC:[ 85c  795hz(BL: 795)   84 (E:193) F:0]
 8: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 69W  99A  71c] ASIC:[ 85c  760hz(BL: 760)   67 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[3] ON
 9: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 75W 109A  85c] ASIC:[ 85c  805hz(BL: 805)   74 (E:193) F:0]
10: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 74W 106A  90c] ASIC:[ 85c  805hz(BL: 805)   80 (E:193) F:0]
11: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:693 vlt2:698(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 67W  96A  84c] ASIC:[ 85c  745hz(BL: 745)   80 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[4] ON
12: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:695 Ul:749) 77W 111A  98c] ASIC:[105c  835hz(BL: 835)   75 (E:193) F:0]
13: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:679 vlt2:682(DCl:794 Tl:682 Ul:749) 67W  99A  90c] ASIC:[105c  760hz(BL: 760)   97 (E:192) F:0]
14: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:693(DCl:794 Tl:693 Ul:749) 71W 103A  79c] ASIC:[105c  785hz(BL: 785)   85 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[5] ON
15: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:699 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 71W 101A  75c] ASIC:[ 85c  785hz(BL: 785)   75 (E:192) F:0]
16: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 71W 101A  77c] ASIC:[ 85c  785hz(BL: 785)  100 (E:193) F:0]
17: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:699 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 72W 102A  68c] ASIC:[ 85c  795hz(BL: 795)   74 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[6] ON
18: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 75W 107A  71c] ASIC:[ 85c  805hz(BL: 805)   87 (E:193) F:0]
19: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:701(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 70W 100A  76c] ASIC:[ 85c  760hz(BL: 760)   76 (E:193) F:0]
20: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:697 vlt2:703(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:749) 70W 100A  77c] ASIC:[ 85c  780hz(BL: 780)   84 (E:193) F:0]
LOOP[7] OFF (no data on loop)
21: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
22: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
23: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
LOOP[8] OFF (no data on loop)
24: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
25: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
26: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
LOOP[9] OFF (no data on loop)
27: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
28: disabled (i2c good, no OC)
29: disabled (i2c good, no OC)

[H:HW:3136Gh[2227+909],W:1479,L:0,A:21,MMtmp:0 TMP:(37)=>=>=>(82,46)]
Pushed 27 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:3, hw:3)!
min:28 wins:1698[this/last min:25/42] bist-fail:254, hw-err:8
leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/3, rate:2936gh/s
Fan:90, conseq:200
AC2DC BAD: 0 0
R/NR: 259/0
RTF asics: 0
[0 restarted][0 unexpected_reset][0 unexpected_reset2][0 too_much_fake_wins][0 stuck_bist][0 low_power_chiko][0 stuck_pll][0 runtime_disable][0 purge_queue][0 read_timeouts][0 dc2dc_oc][0 read_timeouts2][0 read_corruption][0 purge_queue3][0 bad_idle]
Adapter queues: rsp=0, req=22
FET:
TOP:1 BOTTOM:1

Update sw and see if issue reproduced

[JPage]

Update sw and see if issue reproduced

Updated software about an hour ago!  

It was running slow all last week and this morning I did the update.  After turning back on, I put the Max Watts to 1360.  But it doesn't get up to 4.0.

Firmware is 2.3.43
Do SW update again?  

[RoadStress]

Update sw and see if issue reproduced

Updated software about an hour ago!  

It was running slow all last week and this morning I did the update.  After turning back on, I put the Max Watts to 1360.  But it doesn't get up to 4.0.

Firmware is 2.3.43
Do SW update again?  

Yes. Last FW is 2.3.46.

[JPage]

Update sw and see if issue reproduced

Updated software about an hour ago!  

It was running slow all last week and this morning I did the update.  After turning back on, I put the Max Watts to 1360.  But it doesn't get up to 4.0.

Firmware is 2.3.43
Do SW update again?  

Yes. Last FW is 2.3.46.

OK- doing that now.  I didn't see the 'New!' label in the Firmware Upgrade tab.  So I assumed I was current.  But I see that it did indeed get a newer version.  I'll report back after an hour of observations.

Thanks!

Edit: Ooops - got worse.  Loops 5 - 9 are now off. 
LOOP[5] OFF (test serial failed)
15: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!)
16: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!)
17: disabled (i2c BAD, btw!)

[RoadStress]

Yes. Last FW is 2.3.46.

OK- doing that now.  I didn't see the 'New!' label in the Firmware Upgrade tab.  So I assumed I was current.  But I see that it did indeed get a newer version.  I'll report back after an hour of observations.

Thanks!

Usually you don't see the "New!" laber in the Firmware tab right away so it's normal.

[Mabsark]

...

Always pleasure to have another AM devotee in our little thread.

I must say, compare to his horde of zealots, FC in person is a great guy.

Usually, I would have asked abour dividends, but since AM gen4 is around the corner, it saves me the trouble.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage

Beside, Athens is great and I have good mood.

Guy

What was the point of that little rant of yours? It is a fact that you can buy 3 AM Tubes + PSUs for less than you can buy an SP20 + PSU for. That's why you didn't even bother trying to deny it. You just rant about AM zealots coming here which is even funnier considering that you were actually trolling the AM thread yourself, have spouted lots of misleading nonsense over there and an actual zealot - RoadStress is still there making up crap and pretending its facts.

Talk about hypocrisy.

Instead of trying to create diversions, why not respond to the actual issue - the price of SP20 being far to high. If you don't like that fact, you actually have the ability to do something about it.

[RoadStress]

Talk about hypocrisy.

Why not state your AM affiliation in your signature so that everyone can know that you are an AM shareholder that is shilling for AM products? When I was stating my opinions in the AM thread everyone (you included) accused me about being an SP-Tech shill that just wants to troll the AM thread. But when you come here praising AM products you are hiding that fact that you are an AM shareholder and that you have a gain from promoting the Tubes. You are talking about hypocrisy when you are doing the exact same thing. I date you to state your AM affiliation in your signature, but I know that you will not do it. Move along now...

[Guy Corem]

Bla bla bla ... the price of SP20 being far to high.

Sales are good. Thank you.
Still in good mood.

[Mabsark]

Talk about hypocrisy.

Why not state your AM affiliation in your signature so that everyone can know that you are an AM shareholder that is shilling for AM products? When I was stating my opinions in the AM thread everyone (you included) accused me about being an SP-Tech shill that just wants to troll the AM thread. But when you come here praising AM products you are hiding that fact that you are an AM shareholder and that you have a gain from promoting the Tubes. You are talking about hypocrisy when you are doing the exact same thing. I date you to state your AM affiliation in your signature, but I know that you will not do it. Move along now...

Actually, I didn't say anything positive about any products. I just stated you could get x amount of y for the cost of z, making z terrible value. Also, given that I'm not promoting any miner and that I don't even have a mining banner in my sig, how could you possibly accuse me of being a shill for a Spondoolies competitor? How does that even make sense? When I have an AM banner in my sig and I'm promoting AM products (like you and Spondoolies) in competitors threads, then you can call me a shill.

[Guy Corem]

More bla bla bla

Thank you for posting. 9 more pages and we'll be the third longest threads in "Hardware".
Not bad for less than 6 months.

Still in good mood.