Coronavirus Outbreak

[onemd]

This chart is inaccurate.

1) At the time, they taken 44,000 cases and just divided by death. Without waiting for all cases to resolve.

NOPE
its 94% recovered/discharged 6% death
its not 94% still sick 6% dead

If you look at the post, it's not about https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's in regards to the study by age group: http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 and the chart in accordance to that.

[Tash]

66 Countries have not reported a death or anyone recoverd
Singapore still on top with 78 recovered and no reported death, US now the only country with more death than recovered (17--8)
16 counties with someone dying from COVID-19 disease

.	Rec.		Death/Recover
Singapore	78		0,00%
Malaysia	23		0,00%
Germany	18		0,00%
Vietnam	16		0,00%
Macau	10		0,00%
Canada	8		0,00%
U a E	7		0,00%
Bahrain	4		0,00%
India	3		0,00%
Romania	3		0,00%
Israel	2		0,00%
Oman	2		0,00%
Russia	2		0,00%
Belgium	1		0,00%
Cambodia	1		0,00%
Denmark	1		0,00%
Egypt	1		0,00%
Finland	1		0,00%
Lebanon	1		0,00%
Mexico	1		0,00%
Nepal	1		0,00%
Thailand	31		3,23%
Hong-Kong	51		3,92%
China	57035		5,43%
Japan	76		7,89%
Taiwan	12		8,33%
Iran	1669		8,69%
Australia	21		9,52%
UK	18		11,11%
Diamond.P	40		15,00%
S. Korea	135		32,59%
Spain	30		33,33%
Switzerland	3		33,33%
Italy	589		39,56%
France	12		91,67%
Philippines	1		100,00%
US	8		212,50%

[tvbcof]

...

BTW, .ca is for 'cananda'.  Globalresearch.ca is not 'Chinese infowars'.  China (mainland) is .cn.  Globalresearch.ca (http://Globalresearch.ca) is headed by some Canadian professor and they have been pretty focused on 'anti-globalization' for a long long time now.  Probably since you were still shitting soft.  I can understand how that might look 'anti-western' to people operating at a fairly simplistic level.

He claims to be a Canadian professor that lives in Shanghai and works for a Chinese University.  There isn't much about him that can be independently verified, but all of his articles get a ton of traffic and reposts across all the big conspiracy blogs.

Canadian professor and conspiracy theorist who theorizes about conspiracies and is a conspiracy theorist.  Did I mention he is a conspiracy theorist?

Works for the Rooshins (as does everyone else who doesn't tow the U.S. govt line and isn't ethnically non-white these days.)  Get your story straight.  Your thought leaders will be switching from 'Russian stooge' to 'Chinese stooge' in due time, but you shouldn't jump the gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

[TwitchySeal]

66 Countries have not reported a death or anyone recoverd
Singapore still on top with 78 recovered and no reported death, US now the only country with more death than recovered (14 -8)
16 counties with someone dying from COVID-19 disease

Could you post a source?

Your numbers are off from the numbers that have been reported here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[franky1]

This chart is inaccurate.

1) At the time, they taken 44,000 cases and just divided by death. Without waiting for all cases to resolve.

NOPE
its 94% recovered/discharged 6% death
its not 94% still sick 6% dead

If you look at the post, it's not about https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

if you look at the chart. its all about the worldometer
here is the friggen link
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

by the way. its not based on current active cases of people currently sick
there was an explanation that if it was then the numbers would be misleading
so if you kept reading the page it says

CFR = deaths / (deaths + recovered)

not
CFR = deaths / (deaths + currently sick)
nor
CFR = deaths / (deaths + currently sick +recovered)


here:

CFR = deaths / (deaths + recovered)

which, with the latest data available, would be equal to:

3,600 / (3,600 + 60,190) = 6% CFR (worldwide)

[TwitchySeal]

...

BTW, .ca is for 'cananda'.  Globalresearch.ca is not 'Chinese infowars'.  China (mainland) is .cn.  Globalresearch.ca (http://Globalresearch.ca) is headed by some Canadian professor and they have been pretty focused on 'anti-globalization' for a long long time now.  Probably since you were still shitting soft.  I can understand how that might look 'anti-western' to people operating at a fairly simplistic level.

He claims to be a Canadian professor that lives in Shanghai and works for a Chinese University.  There isn't much about him that can be independently verified, but all of his articles get a ton of traffic and reposts across all the big conspiracy blogs.

Canadian professor and conspiracy theorist who theorizes about conspiracies and is a conspiracy theorist.  Did I mention he is a conspiracy theorist?

Works for the Rooshins (as does everyone else who doesn't tow the U.S. govt line and isn't ethnically non-white these days.)  Get your story straight.  Your thought leaders will be switching from 'Russian stooge' to 'Chinese stooge' in due time, but you shouldn't jump the gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

I think we're having a misunderstanding.

The article you linked in this post and I responded to in this post was written by Larry Romanoff, not Michel Chossudovsky.

[Tash]

66 Countries have not reported a death or anyone recoverd
Singapore still on top with 78 recovered and no reported death, US now the only country with more death than recovered (14 -8)
16 counties with someone dying from COVID-19 disease

Could you post a source?

Your numbers are off from the numbers that have been reported here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at JHU
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[onemd]

This chart is inaccurate.

1) At the time, they taken 44,000 cases and just divided by death. Without waiting for all cases to resolve.

NOPE
its 94% recovered/discharged 6% death
its not 94% still sick 6% dead

If you look at the post, it's not about https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

if you look at the chart. its all about the worldometer
here is the friggen link
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

And those numbers are from this study: http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 (Main source).
You are quoting a source that is using those numbers from the main source.

The study literally taken: 44,672 cases /1,023 deaths =2.3% of taking cases and divided by death. And the chart is using those numbers from that study.

Again, I was talking about this chart, and the study, not worldometer.

And yes, I do at times, when bringing up points on other posts, use worldometer - good info site, for analysis. My post above was criticizing the study/chart, and not worldometer.

Another good one, I use: https://covid19info.live/

[franky1]

i dont even know what you are trying to rebutt

the worldometer is based on numbers as of now.
yep now

you keep trying to make it about an old report in february of a fixed dataset

the worldometer data changes per day based on results received daily of those recoverd vs those dead

so
1. its not based on the ccdc report thats of just the ~44k cases you think its about thats old data from february
2. its not based on all actively sick/active cases vs death. .. its recovered vs death thus more accurate
3. its chart is of the worldometer chart.

also. your trying to state that the death rate is ~3%... but thats based on all cases open&closed vs death
your stats are skewed because some of those still sick are neither dead nor recovered. but skewing the numbers to make it look like its only  ~3% risk vs a more accurate <6%

sorry but i will stick to results that atleast seem to be more uptodate and not skewed.

anyway. you been trying to rebut this so long that the results are in that the death rate has now declined below 6%.
(above 5.. not below 3 which you seem to think)
so take that as a hint that you have been beating a busted drum for too long. move on

[TwitchySeal]

1. its not based on the ccdc report

Yes it is.

2. its not based on all actively sick/active cases vs death. .. its recovered vs death thus more accurate

3. its chart is of the worldometer chart.

?


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[franky1]

1. its not based on the ccdc report

Yes it is.

2. its not based on all actively sick/active cases vs death. .. its recovered vs death thus more accurate

3. its chart is of the worldometer chart.

?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

the CCDC report the other guy linked is a chinese CDC report based on chinese results based on data of before february 12th...
the chart about age mortatility is global data based on uptodate information from data at the end of february.

can you tell the difference yet.
fixed data report january/february in written form
fluid dataset with charts

anyway. why even discuss it the data is fluid (UNLIKE the report the guy keeps referencing thats now out of date)
not even sure what your trying to rebutt anymore.

the live data charts are more reliable info than a month old PDF report
if you want to spend your life just reading that month old transcript that will never change.. go ahead
ill keep looking at the live data. have a nice day..

and just incase you dont want to drop the matter becuse your more of a glory hound than someone that cares about content or context

the CCDC is out dated data of 11th february
..
the chart is not just based on the CCDC data of feb11th.
its actually updated at the end of february with new numbers.

but seems a couple people in this topic want to rebtt meaningless points about a datapoint that even the datapoint becomes outdated and meaningless.
in short. just use the live data. which is the death vs RECOVERED rate. which gets updated regularly.. not some fixed print report of feb11th. and not death vs active cases(who still sick and unknown if recover or die.)

[onemd]

1. its not based on the ccdc report

Yes it is.

2. its not based on all actively sick/active cases vs death. .. its recovered vs death thus more accurate

3. its chart is of the worldometer chart.

?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

the CCDC report the other guy linked is a chinese CDC report based on chinese results based on data of before february 12th...
the chart about age mortatility is global data based on uptodate information from data at the end of february.

can you tell the difference yet.
fixed data report january/february in written form
fluid dataset with charts

anyway. why even discuss it the data is fluid (UNLIKE the report the guy keeps referencing thats now out of date)
not even sure what your trying to rebutt anymore.

the live data charts are more reliable info than a month old PDF report
if you want to spend your life just reading that month old transcript that will never change.. go ahead
ill keep looking at the live data. have a nice day..

and just incase you dont want to drop the matter becuse your more of a glory hound than someone that cares about content or context

the CCDC is out dated data of 11th february
..
the chart is not just based on the CCDC data of feb11th.
its actually updated at the end of february with new numbers.

but seems a couple people in this topic want to rebtt meaningless points about a datapoint that even the datapoint becomes outdated and meaningless.
in short. just use the live data. which is the death vs RECOVERED rate. which gets updated regularly.. not some fixed print report of feb11th. and not death vs active cases(who still sick and unknown if recover or die.)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/#ref-2

It is based and uses the number in one of the columns. You say as if it's completely updated with new numbers. Anyways, my point was of the chart earlier, and you get all emotional and shit. If you are making a point, just say the facts and be done with it.

1) The Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) - China CCDC, February 17 2020
2) Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) [Pdf] - World Health Organization, Feb. 28, 2020

Looking through 2) References the ages in the column.
"On 14 February, China CDC described the clinical features, outcomes, laboratory and radiologic findings of 44 672 laboratory-confirmed cases.... Patients aged over 80 years had a CFR of 14.8%."

Reference 2) mentions it as well.

[Tash]

Those numbers dont match up
https://web.archive.org/web/20200308132340/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8085175/US-hospitals-prepare-96-MILLION-coronavirus-cases-HALF-MILLION-deaths-leaked-papers-show.html
And the other 226 566 900  where they go by 2025?
http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

Mask protection levels
https://postimg.cc/3dcRCrQr

[Tash]

Vaping is responsible for 68 deaths (EVALI.) in US in past year, all age groups
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

As of February 18, 2020, a total of 2,807 hospitalized EVALI cases or deaths have been reported to CDC from all 50 states.

Sixty-eight deaths have been confirmed in 29 states and the District of Columbia (as of February 18, 2020).

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COVID-19 disease, about 80 countries have not reported any infections
63 Countries have no death or recovery reported
24 have no reported deaths
6 have more deaths as recovered
* Health expenditure of GDP in 2016.  The winner was Monaco with 1.75%   Source

-----------------------	Deaths	Rec.	Death/Rec.		GDP *
Singapore	0	78	0,00%		4,47%
Malaysia	0	24	0,00%		3,80%
Germany	0	18	0,00%		11,14%
Vietnam	0	16	0,00%		5,66%
Macau	0	10	0,00%		4,98%
Canada	0	8	0,00%		10,53%
UAE	0	7	0,00%		3,52%
Bahrain	0	4	0,00%		4,87%
India	0	3	0,00%		3,66%
Romania	0	3	0,00%		4,98%
Russia	0	3	0,00%		5,27%
Israel	0	2	0,00%		7,31%
Oman	0	2	0,00%		4,29%
Belgium	0	1	0,00%		10,04%
Cambodia	0	1	0,00%		6,08%
Denmark	0	1	0,00%		10,35%
Finland	0	1	0,00%		9,49%
Kuwait	0	1	0,00%		3,90%
Lebanon	0	1	0,00%		8,02%
Mexico	0	1	0,00%		5,47%
Nepal	0	1	0,00%		6,29%
Pakistan	0	1	0,00%		2,75%
Senegal	0	1	0,00%		5,51%
Sri-Lanka	0	1	0,00%		3,89%
Thailand	1	31	3,23%		3,71%
Hong-Kong	3	59	5,08%		6,20%
China	3119	58590	5,32%		4,98%
Taiwan	1	15	6,67%		6,20%
Japan	6	76	7,89%		10,93%
Egypt	1	12	8,33%		4,64%
Iran	194	2134	9,09%		8,10%
Diamond-P	6	40	15,00%		0,10%
UK	3	18	16,67%		9,76%
Australia	4	21	19,05%		9,25%
S-Korea	50	118	42,37%		7,34%
Spain	17	30	56,67%		8,97%
Italy	366	622	58,84%		8,94%
Switzerland	2	3	66,67%		12,25%
Philippines	1	1	100,00%		4,39%
France	19	12	158,33%		11,54%
US	21	8	262,50%		17,07%
Argentina	1	0,1	1000,00%		7,55%
San-Marino	1	0,1	1000,00%		6,40%
Netherlands	3	0,1	3000,00%		10,36%
Iraq	6	0,1	6000,00%		3,31%

[TwitchySeal]

Looks like Italy is feeling the most pain right now.  Their first reported case was 16 days ago, yesterday they reported 1,492 new cases and 133 new deaths and decided to basically lock down half the country and impose restrictions on the rest.

All of Italy:

• As in the north of the country, cinemas, theaters, museums, pubs, game rooms, dance schools, discos and other similar places will be closed
• Sports competitions are suspended with some exceptions

Northern Italy

• Travel in and out of the area, as well as within the area, will only be possible in response to "duly verified professional requirements, emergency situations, or for health reasons"
• People with symptoms of respiratory disease and fever of 37.5 Celsius or above are strongly encouraged to stay at home and limit social contact as much as possible, and contact their doctor
• Avoid gathering
• All schools and universities must be closed
• All museums and places of culture will be closed
• All cultural, religious or festive events are suspended
• Cinemas, pubs, theaters, dance schools, game rooms, casinos, nightclubs and other similar places shall remain closed
• All sporting events and competitions are suspended
• Ski resorts are closed until further notice
• Swimming pools, sports halls, thermal baths, cultural centers and wellness centers must suspend their activities
• Bars and restaurants can remain open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. provided they respect the safety distance of at least 1 meter between customers - this provision also concerns other commercial activities
• Shopping centers and department stores must remain closed on public holidays and the days preceding them
• Places of worship remain open, provided that the safety distance of at least 1 meter is respected, but religious ceremonies (marriage, baptism) are prohibited until further notice

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[lee82917]

I think that by the end of spring the epidemic will be defeated. In addition, the immunity in the summer of any person is higher, and the virus will have less chance.

[tvbcof]

One of the many 'oddities' about what they are calling now covid-19 is that people don't seem to get immune from it and can get 'it' again.

One hypothesis which aligns with the above is that there are multiple strains circulating, and each so different that immunity to all is not obtained by infection of one.  Actually I believe that that is established fact that there are multiple strains and the assumption to be drawn is that they are strains which evolved naturally from a particular 'bat soup' virus which came about naturally in a Wuhan wet market.

Coronavirus and various other like viruses 'claim to fame' is that it does indeed mutate quite quickly so it is not absurd to believe that it could already have been differentiated into a multitude of 'strains'.  Especially since it is under heavy analysis so the various different strains are more likely to be identified.  Even with this rapid mutation characteristic it is unusual that the mutations outstrip the body's ability to develop and retain immunity to a 'seasonal' bug.

Another hypothesis is that one or several (of hundreds or thousands) of strains escaped from a lab where there was 'gain of function' work going on, sickened people, and started to take off.  After that someone said 'Hmmm...what a great opportunity to release some more strains on people who are not playing ball?'  People like, say, the Iranians, and the Italians who are breaking ranks to make agreements with Iran.  This could also account for the existence of multiple 'strains' of coronavirus making their way around where some 'strains' have higher mortalities and other interesting 'functions'.

[Last of the V8s]

^ https://nextstrain.org/

[franky1]

One of the many 'oddities' about what they are calling now covid-19 is that people don't seem to get immune from it and can get 'it' again.

no

corona is a category of viruses
corona has been around since before the 1960's and has mutated many times
things like SARS and MERS are the main notable ones but corona happens every year and people can get it each time

next year will have a new mutation and yes people can get corona again. but the new mutation.
its not about getting corona-19 again and again.
its about getting A corona of any kind 1960->

unlike measles which once vaccinated or once had it your not gonna get again even in a different strain
each year of corona is a different strain of corona

people get the flu each year. thats life
people will get it each year

just some years are more serious strain than others.
sars/mers strains years ago caused respiratory issues and the following years new strains didnt
his corona-19 causes pneumonia in vulnerable people and probably next years wont.
but people will get next years strain. and the year after that..
thats life

getting corona is not the big deal. thats not the issue,
the big deal is trying not to pass it on to people with already weak immune systems when the current strain around has extra issues for those with weaker immune systems

so the best advise people should actually care or worry about is to not go visit their elderly relatives during flu seasons

[TwitchySeal]

One of the many 'oddities' about what they are calling now covid-19 is that people don't seem to get immune from it and can get 'it' again.

no

corona is a category of viruses
corona has been around since before the 1960's and has mutated many times
things like SARS and MERS are the main notable ones but corona happens every year and people can get it each time

covid-19 is not a virus, it's a disease that is caused by the corona virus that was first discovered in late 2019.

Once your immune systems fight off a virus, you should be immune to that specific strain.