Coronavirus Outbreak

[tvbcof]

hydrochloroquin
...
<snip - 'counter' to something that nobody said.>

As we all know, franky1 is lazy and he is stupid.  He latches on to the biggest word he can find (e.g., 'inflammation') and then he slobbers it mercilessly.

In fact the mechanism of action of a lot of these drugs is quite interesting:

  https://youtu.be/rdoN_XsHWBI?t=517

[franky1]

As we all know, franky1 is lazy and he is stupid.

what you might not actually realise is that i do do my research but then i dumb it down purposefully for small minded people to read.
i have never in the many years on this forum tried to use complicated buzzwords to show off. instead i prefer to learn my stuff and then dumb it down for people who apparently cant research thus may need it to be dumbed down

what you have yet to realise is that the studies of it in cases of corona have shown best results inn relation to the symptoms of the immune response. not so much of the virus itself

i know your desparate to find a single magic pill you want to advertise the hell out of.. but atleast try to look beyond the first google search that favours your opinion

[BADecker]

As we all know, franky1 is lazy and he is stupid.

what you might not actually realise is that i do do my research but then i dumb it down purposefully for small minded people to read.
i have never in the many years on this forum tried to use complicated buzzwords to show off. instead i prefer to learn my stuff and then dumb it down for people who apparently cant research thus may need it to be dumbed down

what you have yet to realise is that the studies of it in cases of corona have shown best results inn relation to the symptoms of the immune response. not so much of the virus itself

i know your desparate to find a single magic pill you want to advertise the hell out of.. but atleast try to look beyond the first google search that favours your opinion

He has already found the simple magic "pill." It's called MMS. MMS is sodium chlorite. When it is activated with an acid - like acids in vinegar, or citric acid - it works many times better than alone. This is because it become chlorine dioxside in the presence of an acid.

Chlorine dioxide is used worldwide to treat water. It kills off bacteriae and viruses in the same way in your body.

Ignore it if you want. But here is a website to start looking at it - https://g2churchnews.org/... if you want.

Why is it a church? Because freedom of religion is one of only a few ways to protect from Big Pharma controlled government, which wants to control everything, but especially the money in your pocket.

[franky1]

and the revelation that badecker will eventually have is that its a chemical, made in a chemical factory. thus part of the same 'big pharma' as he is trying to protest against

its like vapers thinking inhaling nicotine vape is a big kick in the ass to big tobacco.. not realising where the nicotine in vape actually comes from.. yep same source..

i am really surprised how much these anti-vaxxers go full retard when they are linking other harmful chemicals. but lack doing the research. they just promote it because their cult group told them its good.

as for things like mms and even chloroquin..
these numbskulls wil pretend its a preventative thing. basically because if people take it hourly/daily everyday 365 days a year thinking they are shielding themselves to be immortal supermen.. whats really happening is some company is getting rich selling a product to a guaranteed numbskull that will be a repeat customer whether they have had will have any ailment, flu or corona.

do you knwo why dumb websites promote 8g of vit c instead of safer 1g (even when body only needs 0.1g).. its because these websites want you to buy there pill pots of loads of 1g capsules. but they want to to consume your way through them 8x faster than what should be max dosage. purely so that you return and rebuy from them 8x faster

have a nice day. but can people stop trying to advertise toxic/megadose chemicals outside of their actually utility value

[BADecker]

and the revelation that badecker will eventually have is that its a chemical, made in a chemical factory. thus part of the same 'big pharma' as he is trying to protest against

its like vapers thinking inhaling nicotine vape is a big kick in the ass to big tobacco.. not realising where the nicotine in vape actually comes from.. yep same source..

i am really surprised how much these anti-vaxxers go full retard when they are linking other harmful chemicals. but lack doing the research. they just promote it because their cult group told them its good.

as for things like mms and even chloroquin..
these numbskulls wil pretend its a preventative thing. basically because if people take it hourly/daily everyday 365 days a year thinking they are shielding themselves to be immortal supermen.. whats really happening is some company is getting rich selling a product to a guaranteed numbskull that will be a repeat customer whether they have had will have any ailment, flu or corona.

do you knwo why dumb websites promote 8g of vit c instead of safer 1g (even when body only needs 0.1g).. its because these websites want you to buy there pill pots of loads of 1g capsules. but they want to to consume your way through them 8x faster than what should be max dosage. purely so that you return and rebuy from them 8x faster

have a nice day. but can people stop trying to advertise toxic/megadose chemicals outside of their actually utility value

I know, I know. It's fun to contradict yourself, like in the above.

When (if?) you decide to come down to the real world, you might take your car out of first gear, and really begin to travel. Use Big Pharma information in ways that work, rather in the first-gear ways they tell you.

[Tash]

Just found out that  the  German Federal Supreme Court has ruled 4 years ago that Measles Isn’t A Virus.
At first he lost, higher courts overturned it.
He issued a award of 100000 euros to the person who could prove that virus caused the measles. No one could.
https://anonhq.com/anti-vaxxer-biologist-stefan-lanka-bets-100k-measles-isnt-virus-wins-german-federal-supreme-court/


Also apperently one of the must have books.
What Really Makes You Ill?: Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Disease Is Wrong
by Dawn Lester

[BADecker]

Just found out that  the  German Federal Supreme Court has ruled 4 years ago that Measles Isn’t A Virus.
At first he lost, higher courts overturned it.
https://anonhq.com/anti-vaxxer-biologist-stefan-lanka-bets-100k-measles-isnt-virus-wins-german-federal-supreme-court/


Also apperently one of the must have books.
What Really Makes You Ill?: Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Disease Is Wrong
by Dawn Lester

When you look at hidden history, at the time that penicillin became known, there were large numbers of researchers who knew that "bugs" weren't the problem.

Today, we are finding our through the study of phages - viruses and parts of viruses - that viruses exist to control bacterial infections. The reason why they don't work properly is at least twofold:
1. Our general health is not what it should be - mostly a lack of a wide variety of healthy green plants;
2. Many bacteria and viruses have died off or changed so that they don't do their original jobs.

If we were living with a properly balanced group of healthy bacteria and viruses, we would probably live a lot longer than we do. Killing bacteria and viruses isn't the answer to long life, even though it might be the answer to keeping a life from becoming too short, at times.

[OutOfMemory]

Just found out that  the  German Federal Supreme Court has ruled 4 years ago that Measles Isn’t A Virus.
At first he lost, higher courts overturned it.
He issued a award of 100000 euros to the person who could prove that virus caused the measles. No one could.
https://anonhq.com/anti-vaxxer-biologist-stefan-lanka-bets-100k-measles-isnt-virus-wins-german-federal-supreme-court/


Also apperently one of the must have books.
What Really Makes You Ill?: Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Disease Is Wrong
by Dawn Lester

 

That is a very, very creative interpretation of what happened in court.
Truth:
Lanka required a single scientific study in which the existance and size of the measles virus was proven.
The former student that claimed to have won the price rightfully, because he proved both.
He actually did, BUT the requirement of "single scientific study" was not met, because the student proved the existence AND size of the virus by combining results and methods of six scientific works.
So the student couldn't deliver a single Paper in which existence and size both were proven.

It's true that the student failed to win the contest by not fulfilling a single requirement.
It's wrong that the fact of non-existence of the measles virus was established through this, because it was proven numerous times before in studies, just without inclusion of determination of the virus size, which were to be found in other studies, which didn't explicitly prove the existence.

SO clearly fake news regarding the non-existence of measles viruses.

[TECSHARE]

[appeal to popularity]
[appeal to authority]

The number of people who believe a thing is not related to its validity. Lots of people can be wrong, and people, especially such as yourself, are very fond of defining truth as what you perceive the popular consensus to be. The popular consensus is specifically maintained in order to keep people with little to no ability to use logic in the dark using the powerful human motivation to conform with the group. That is all you have, not logic, but lots of parrots all repeating each other, no one understanding anything.

What I said is a fact regardless of all the dumb shit you say. Logic overpowers the words of hundreds of people appealing to popularity and or authority. This isn't my opinion, it is a scientific fact. The fact is what I said is true, you keep crying about how you are right because you go with the popularity contest though Nutilduuuh. "Established science" is inevitably modified and proven wrong as history shows. That is the nature of genuine scientific progress, not the cult of the establishment that you advocate for.

[franky1]

SO clearly fake news regarding the non-existence of measles viruses.

its like someone like badecker going to court to ask 'can you still drive with one leg or one arm'
loads of evidence of adaptive cars are shown. video evidence of people with one leg driving.
but then badecker said.. yea but the person i am asking specifically has 2 legs and 2 arms. so he cant drive with one leg/arm if he has 2

(its the standard dumb ass tactics silly people do to try and win a debate by being creative about the context/scope and not wanting to know actual facts)

[Gyfts]

So India placed a nationwide lock down of over a billion people recently which plays into the strategy the U.S. and China employed. Some food for thought about the strategies that are possible for fighting coronavirus. There's only two at play here -

1.) Herd immunity - The idea of herd immunity is that people are out and about with no major disruptions to daily life. People contract the virus, self isolate, then gain the critical antibodies needed to remain immune from the infection. If enough people gain immunity, those who are most vulnerable are safe because the virus doesn't have any optimal carrier to transmit itself. Under this situation, though, the most vulnerable must self isolate regardless of whether they have the virus or not. South Korea is currently using this strategy because they have the infrastructure available after H1N1 and SARS to implement massive testing on its population.

2.) Self isolation and total lock down to flatten the curve. The U.S, China, and Italy primarily seem to be using this technique which involves a temporarily isolation of everyone, vulnerable or not, in order to slow transmission of the disease to allow for increased hospital infrastructure. This allows the medical community to deal with the influx of patients who might experience the virus and increase production of ventilators, PPE, and ICU units. However, the price of this is shutting down the entire federal economy with lasting ramifications for years.


We're not going to find out which strategy worked best until long after this is over because of the possibility of second infections but what's clear is that nation wide lock downs are undoubtedly killing the U.S. economy.

[fillippone]

A letter from medics in the epicentre of the Italian outbreak:

At the Epicenter of the Covid-19 Pandemic and Humanitarian Crises in Italy: Changing Perspectives on Preparation and Mitigation

Worth a read if you are still behind in the epidemic cycle, like US.

[Naida_BR]

So India placed a nationwide lock down of over a billion people recently which plays into the strategy the U.S. and China employed. Some food for thought about the strategies that are possible for fighting coronavirus. There's only two at play here -

1.) Herd immunity - The idea of herd immunity is that people are out and about with no major disruptions to daily life. People contract the virus, self isolate, then gain the critical antibodies needed to remain immune from the infection. If enough people gain immunity, those who are most vulnerable are safe because the virus doesn't have any optimal carrier to transmit itself. Under this situation, though, the most vulnerable must self isolate regardless of whether they have the virus or not. South Korea is currently using this strategy because they have the infrastructure available after H1N1 and SARS to implement massive testing on its population.

2.) Self isolation and total lock down to flatten the curve. The U.S, China, and Italy primarily seem to be using this technique which involves a temporarily isolation of everyone, vulnerable or not, in order to slow transmission of the disease to allow for increased hospital infrastructure. This allows the medical community to deal with the influx of patients who might experience the virus and increase production of ventilators, PPE, and ICU units. However, the price of this is shutting down the entire federal economy with lasting ramifications for years.


We're not going to find out which strategy worked best until long after this is over because of the possibility of second infections but what's clear is that nation wide lock downs are undoubtedly killing the U.S. economy.

Does it work? India is a huge country with a lot of people around the country.
Lockdown wasn't very effective to other countries - Italy was one of them - and we saw who it ended.
Some other countries apart from Italy is Spain, Germany that is reported that people do not show to be disciplined to the lockdown rules.

[Lauda]

Just found out that  the  German Federal Supreme Court has ruled 4 years ago that Measles Isn’t A Virus.
At first he lost, higher courts overturned it.
He issued a award of 100000 euros to the person who could prove that virus caused the measles. No one could.
https://anonhq.com/anti-vaxxer-biologist-stefan-lanka-bets-100k-measles-isnt-virus-wins-german-federal-supreme-court/

Your IQ is going into the negative side of the scale. That website is absolute garbage, the very definition of fake news.

Also apperently one of the must have books.
I am actually an idiot by Dawn Lester

FTFY.

A letter from medics in the epicentre of the Italian outbreak:

At the Epicenter of the Covid-19 Pandemic and Humanitarian Crises in Italy: Changing Perspectives on Preparation and Mitigation

It does not require a change of perspective, it requires a change of resource allocation. Had they not been pocketing the money and feeding the war-machine, the healthcare system could be budgeted for more.

Does it work? India is a huge country with a lot of people around the country.
Lockdown wasn't very effective to other countries - Italy was one of them - and we saw who it ended.
Some other countries apart from Italy is Spain, Germany that is reported that people do not show to be disciplined to the lockdown rules.

The lockdown is working. You do not know what you are talking about.

[fillippone]

A letter from medics in the epicentre of the Italian outbreak:

At the Epicenter of the Covid-19 Pandemic and Humanitarian Crises in Italy: Changing Perspectives on Preparation and Mitigation

It does not require a change of perspective, it requires a change of resource allocation. Had they not been pocketing the money and feeding the war-machine, the healthcare system could be budgeted for more.

While I tend to agree with your statement, the specific letter come from health worker, and it is not related to the total resources allocated to the health system, but how these are allocated into the health system.
Of course spending more on health and less on the Government itself (Italian army, not so sure how much we spend on it...(this is sarcasm)) would improve the situation.

[tvbcof]

...
There's far too many variables involved for anyone to declare it a fact. Nobody is claiming it is a fact but you. Again, you can't entertain the idea that you may be wrong about something for even one minute. Which is why nobody should ever take you seriously when it comes to matters as complicated or as serious as this.

I entertain the idea that I am wrong all the time.  Nearly constantly in fact.  One MUST do that in order to absorb new information and ideas.  Only after many YEARS of testing and re-testing do I normally feel a fairly high degree of confidence in most things.

It's interesting to note 10 years ago my ideas about a lot of things were probably pretty close to what you seem to espouse today.  I was more inclined to use the 'consensus' as promoted by corp/gov as a starting point than I am today, but one can only get burnt so many times before one evolves their philosophical methods.

I won't speak for Techshare, but my sense from his writing is that his methods are similar to mine.

[Vod]

Lockdown wasn't very effective to other countries - Italy was one of them - and we saw who it ended.

Italy didn't impose the lock down fast enough. 

We know a lot from history about viruses.  Telling people to avoid each other until the virus runs out of hosts is the best option. 

[Cryptotourist]

Lockdown wasn't very effective to other countries - Italy was one of them - and we saw who it ended.

Italy didn't impose the lock down fast enough.  

We know a lot from history about viruses.  Telling people to avoid each other until the virus runs out of hosts is the best option.  

Only if you take for granted, that we're not all infected already.

Here is another perspective:
The chief of the village is asking his warriors not to ride their horses, cos in the next village there are a few sick elders. Some even already died from this invisible disease, and the one available doctor cannot cope with them, and is overwhelmed. Failure to do so, might wipe out your parents and grandparents. It doesn't matter that you can't put food on the table, or be free to move in this village or the next. Be safe!

[Ibian]

Only if you take for granted, that we're not all infected already.

Even more reason to isolate. If we are all infected then we want this virus to die completely so it doesn't have a chance to mutate and reinfect us all again. Only way to do that is isolation for a month.

[Cryptotourist]

Only if you take for granted, that we're not all infected already.

Even more reason to isolate. If we are all infected then we want this virus to die completely so it doesn't have a chance to mutate and reinfect us all again. Only way to do that is isolation for a month.

The only reason I indulge to the isolation process, is exactly that.
If there is one chance that you're right, I can stay inside my house for two weeks - no prob - for the good of mankind.

But that's about it man.