Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cratoon]

What about the recovered patients?

I heard recovered cases have weakened immunity, lung damage and even weakened reproductive system.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 here's a link telling that the chinese deleted the research on that topic...

[af_newbie]

What about the recovered patients?

I heard recovered cases have weakened immunity, lung damage and even weakened reproductive system.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 here's a link telling that the chinese deleted the research on that topic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM

Lack of oxygen can cause all kinds of issues. It is a really nasty virus.

[Ibian]

What about the recovered patients?

I heard recovered cases have weakened immunity, lung damage and even weakened reproductive system.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 here's a link telling that the chinese deleted the research on that topic...

That's the real danger of this virus. Losing a few percent of the global population, and mostly the old and already sick, would not be a huge loss, especially in terms of productivity. But if it does permanent damage, and we can get reinfected and the next time is worse... we could potentially be dealing with something far worse than the plague. And we won't know either way until at least a year has passed.

[franky1]

What about the recovered patients?

I heard recovered cases have weakened immunity, lung damage and even weakened reproductive system.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 here's a link telling that the chinese deleted the research on that topic...

That's the real danger of this virus. Losing a few percent of the global population, and mostly the old and already sick, would not be a huge loss, especially in terms of productivity. But if it does permanent damage, and we can get reinfected and the next time is worse... we could potentially be dealing with something far worse than the plague. And we won't know either way until at least a year has passed.

with all the medications tried and treatments given to curb the fever and the respiratory symptoms (immuno response) some of the meds can cause other issues like long term issues after.

whilst doctors are giving antivirals for the actual virus. some are also as last ditch/trials doing megadosing of things that can curb the immuno response symptoms. because any antiviral wont work if the patient is dead so they have to keep the patient breathing long enough for things to kick in. so curbing the breathing distress and fever and cough is also being looked into

this means that people are getting a cocktail of drugs.. yep even people doing trials of the anitmalarial drugs are not just on that one drug.
its this cocktail of drugs everyone in hospital is getting means that there is a cocktail of side effects too..
especially those where the drug is megadosed.

however those who recovered cant really tell that they are impotent because its not like the went home last week and instantly wanted to make a baby and not able to get their spouse pregnant and instantly blaming the meds.
it takes time to actually find out consequences.

expect there to be some after effects that may be temporary. but calling it 'dangerous' creates and air of alarm before the facts are even in.
due to one study on the antimalarial. there is a chance of being photosensitive (getting skin irratation/burns easy) in a few cases of the trial.
this again does not mean ring the alarm bells.
as for the impotence the link actually says the cocktail of drugs.. based on if using similar to the SARS/MERS cocktail.. that it can make a guys testicles imflammed.. this means your balls will feel like they are burning. which can reduce sperm count and if left untreated impotent.
it does not mean instant impotents for all corona virus recoveries

alot of people want to put out warnings of possible side effects/long term. but when it worded like a warning to everyone and its sent too early to really know. then the warning itself can be more dangerous than the context of the warning is addressing

the issue is that the meds used during the sars/mers pandemic years ago were slightly different. yep they are trying safer alternatives this time round so the cocktail of possible long term issues can be different.
thus too early to tell and too early to even say that corona recovered patients will be impotent.

this again is why its stupid for people to promote megadosing anything without doing research first(yep you know who you are in this forum)

[BADecker]

What about the recovered patients?

I heard recovered cases have weakened immunity, lung damage and even weakened reproductive system.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 here's a link telling that the chinese deleted the research on that topic...

That's the real danger of this virus. Losing a few percent of the global population, and mostly the old and already sick, would not be a huge loss, especially in terms of productivity. But if it does permanent damage, and we can get reinfected and the next time is worse... we could potentially be dealing with something far worse than the plague. And we won't know either way until at least a year has passed.

with all the medications tried and treatments given to curb the fever and the respiratory symptoms (immuno response) some of the meds can cause other issues like long term issues after.

whilst doctors are giving antivirals for the actual virus. some are also as last ditch/trials doing megadosing of things that can curb the immuno response symptoms. because any antiviral wont work if the patient is dead so they have to keep the patient breathing long enough for things to kick in. so curbing the breathing distress and fever and cough is also being looked into

this means that people are getting a cocktail of drugs.. yep even people doing trials of the anitmalarial drugs are not just on that one drug.
its this cocktail of drugs everyone in hospital is getting means that there is a cocktail of side effects too..
especially those where the drug is megadosed.

however those who recovered cant really tell that they are impotent because its not like the went home last week and instantly wanted to make a baby and not able to get their spouse pregnant and instantly blaming the meds.
it takes time to actually find out consequences.

expect there to be some after effects that may be temporary. but calling it 'dangerous' creates and air of alarm before the facts are even in.
due to one study on the antimalarial. there is a chance of being photosensitive (getting skin irratation/burns easy) in a few cases of the trial.
this again does not mean ring the alarm bells.
as for the impotence the link actually says the cocktail of drugs.. based on if using similar to the SARS/MERS cocktail.. that it can make a guys testicles imflammed.. this means your balls will feel like they are burning. which can reduce sperm count and if left untreated impotent.
it does not mean instant impotents for all corona virus recoveries

alot of people want to put out warnings of possible side effects/long term. but when it worded like a warning to everyone and its sent too early to really know. then the warning itself can be more dangerous than the context of the warning is addressing

the issue is that the meds used during the sars/mers pandemic years ago were slightly different. yep they are trying safer alternatives this time round so the cocktail of possible long term issues can be different.
thus too early to tell and too early to even say that corona recovered patients will be impotent.

this again is why its stupid for people to promote megadosing anything without doing research first(yep you know who you are in this forum)

Exactly!

What you say works every which way.

Get medical people on the stand in court, under oath with a 20-year prison term promise for lying (perjury), and let them show evidence and witnesses regarding CV... evidence and witnesses that can't be contradicted. This way we will have the proof... proof of whether or not CV is the problem, or if medical-lying/media-hype/government-control is the problem

Only then will we really know if it is Coronavirus, or if it is lack of herd immunity caused by all the vaccinations over the years.

It's medical wide-spread vaccination that has set the world up for something like CV.

What is funny is that franky1 loves to base his trust on hearsay, especially media hearsay and hype.

[franky1]

i know you live in a basement and been socially distancing for most of your life. so dont see what wrong.. but please.. stop taking the bleach for a few days, sober up and actually go research.
you will not find answers looking on your basement wall or a freeman website.

as for taking things to court. yep there will be investigations and stuff in the future. it always happens. not because there is doubt of its validity. but to find out if any malpractice happened such as doctors telling the elderly to sign do not resuscitate orders so they can leave them to die and concentrate on the younger..
yep Wales(uk) GP sent those letters out. naughty naughty
other malpractices where certain tests were not done but some bullish doctor heard from his cult follower to megadose random stuff. and the random stuff caused the death.

part of the investigations will include actual stats, testimonials and procedures followed. as well as questioning those. to learn from it.

so there will be legal stuff happening.. but not for the reason you think will result from it

[BADecker]

i know you live in a basement and been socially distancing for most of your life. so dont see what wrong.. but please.. stop taking the bleach for a few days, sober up and actually go research.
you will not find answers looking on your basement wall or a freeman website.

as for taking things to court. yep there will be investigations and stuff in the future. it always happens. not because there is doubt of its validity. but to find out if any malpractice happened such as doctors telling the elderly to sign do not resuscitate orders so they can leave them to die and concentrate on the younger..
yep Wales(uk) GP sent those letters out. naughty naughty
other malpractices where certain tests were not done but some bullish doctor heard from his cult follower to megadose random stuff. and the random stuff caused the death.

part of the investigations will include actual stats, testimonials and procedures followed. as well as questioning those. to learn from it.

so there will be legal stuff happening.. but not for the reason you think will result from it

Most people don't understand what is going on. And they don't even realize that they should understand if only for the protection of themselves and their families.

Nobody really knows the outcome of legal trials ahead of time. The odds might seem to be this way or that. But there are many trials that have wound up differently than expected because of some last-minute introduction of some obscure evidence.

If you would like to see what is really going on in the legal world, apply what appears to be happening in the world, to what is written at Stop The Pirates.

Relax. We all know that you can't read it, to say nothing about understanding it. But try. Trying is the way you learn new things.

[franky1]

your the one that does not research or try things.

the stop the pirates is typical freeman cult crap. yep more proof you are the one stuck in that cult
that has been going around for a decade and has been myth busted.

sorry but you cant gain the property by breaking into it. doing a bit of work then charging someone for it.
sorry but there is no proof of contract that an agreement was made.
thus you are tresspassing. thus you end up in more trouble if you went to court trying to show proof you entered a house and modified it without permission

see how little you know about common sense
no stop being a blind cult follower and put those remaining brain cells to real stuff
your cult and its scripts have been myth busted a decade ago

and before you try another.. there is no secret trust fund with your name on it. that is just another busted myth..
atleast try to learn something

....
anyway.
instead of having hallucinations about things that you think are real. actually learn whats actually happening with the corona events as they progress.

[TECSHARE]

"Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

"Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University professor at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology, said the coronavirus behind the pandemic is 96.2% similar to a bat virus discovered by the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013 and studied at the Wuhan CDC. The virus could have jumped naturally from animal to human but also could have escaped from the lab, he said."


Hmmmm... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Spendulus]

"Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

"Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University professor at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology, said the coronavirus behind the pandemic is 96.2% similar to a bat virus discovered by the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013 and studied at the Wuhan CDC. The virus could have jumped naturally from animal to human but also could have escaped from the lab, he said."


Hmmmm... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Yes, there is a published scientific article on this. If you want I'll dredge it up.

[BADecker]

I'm so shocked. That anyone would contradict what the hospitals were telling you. ( )


People Who Question Crisis Stories from Mainstream Media Visit Hospitals and Find Empty Emergency Rooms

New York City

Phyllis and William Mack Pavilion Hospital in Manhattan: One man in the emergency room, refrigerated truck on hand, but nothing going on. Bellevue Hospital: Looks empty from the street view. Kings County Hospital: 10 people standing around, but not busy. Brooklyn Hospital: not crowded, despite media claims to the contrary. No lines or chaos. Emergency ward in Jamaica Hospital: full and had people waiting; important to know that this hospital provides discount and free services to 'underserved' low-income community and is always busy. Waiting time is usually 4 to 5 hours, as seen from Yelp reviews. (Note that hospital information ends at 7:20 and then there is a commercial that can be skipped).

Seattle

Man in Seattle shows that there is no one one in the Multicare Medical Center emergency waiting room except the security guard. He returned two weeks later and the waiting room was still empty with only a few people milling about.

Hawaii

Youtuber Jason Jones confronted Donna Schmidt, the CEO of Urgent Care Hawaii, who claimed that the medical facilities were overwhelmed by coronavirus testing requests, but when he visited an urgent care location, it was empty. She tried to knock the journalist's phone out of his hand while he was filming.

[franky1]

badecker you have already been told and i dumbed it down for you.

normal hospital useage for minor ailments / cosmetic /elective stuff has been cancelled. standard GP checkups, cancelled.
this is caled a thing called self isolation.
people turning up with a small wood splinter in their finger will be told to man up and stop crying and go home in many cases.

when someone does have a serious reason to need immediate medical help they are taken straight to the designated ward. there is not public waiting room situation
do you get the basic idea of self isolation.

as for you thinking random 'visitors' can just walk into hospital wards, your wrong again

if you truly think that due to corona, the wards that deal with eye exampinations should be ful of patients.. again wrong.. self isolation is self isolation

hospitals on average have only ~200 ICU beds per hosptial
yea a town might have a populations of 20,000 but if 1% get sick. thats it.

self isolation is not to kill the virus. its to delay how fast it spreads to give hospitals more time to train, get more supplies, and prepare for the onslaught.

if you really think that this virus is at the end and in 2 weeks its business as usual. your deluded.
companies are manufacturing masks. manufacturing ventilators, manufacturing medications because they know and government know this thing will be happening for months

you are an utter idiot if yo think its over and finished with already

[tvbcof]

"Chinese researchers isolated deadly bat coronaviruses near Wuhan animal market"

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

"Biosecurity researcher Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University professor at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology, said the coronavirus behind the pandemic is 96.2% similar to a bat virus discovered by the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2013 and studied at the Wuhan CDC. The virus could have jumped naturally from animal to human but also could have escaped from the lab, he said."

Hmmmm... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 - 96.2% does not seem all that similar to me.  Plenty of room for 'insertions'.  IIRC, humans dna is about 99% similar to chimpanzee dna.

 - The 'Chinese discovery' of a multitude of naturally circulating viruses in bat populations means nothing.  Various entities are seeking to isolate viruses in lots of animal populations.  This Ebright guy to be implying that the Chinese military related entities found it to make weapons.  I would not doubt that, but it would not keep any other entity from finding the same pathogen.

 - This Ebright guy has listed two possibilities for how it got to humans.  There are more possibilities and many many more permutations on the general themes.

[TwitchySeal]

- 96.2% does not seem all that similar to me.  Plenty of room for 'insertions'.  IIRC, humans dna is about 99% similar to chimpanzee dna.

If you knew a little more about genetics you'd realize how little you actually know.

[tvbcof]

- 96.2% does not seem all that similar to me.  Plenty of room for 'insertions'.  IIRC, humans dna is about 99% similar to chimpanzee dna.

If you knew a little more about genetics you'd realize how little you actually know.

Oh yeah.  I didn't watch enough Bill Nye the Science Guy.  Why don't you tell us all about it Mr. Science?

[Gyfts]

This looks terrible: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive

Means patients that have recovered haven't really recovered in China? How did their test results come positive again?

Going to assume it's partly because China's shitty communist government is lying about the data being presented.

Going to assume entertain the hypothesis that this is a 'gain of function' which will ultimately be used to justify forced vaccinations for all.

Either new cases are being diagnosed or there were errors in the test. I'm going to assume the former. Based on the rate of transmission using countries like Italy and the U.S. as an example, there's no way in hell China has 80k cases.

India is going to be presented with this same problem too. 1.25 billion people with 800 confirmed cases. Not even remotely true.

Could be multiple strains with different feature sets floating around.  In fact I think that is known to be the case at this point.  How that came to be is what is sensitive and contentious.

WHO published a report that scientists were working on that stated there weren't many mutations in coronavirus when compared to the strain propagating in the U.S. and the one that originated in Wuhan. I'm willing to bet we're dealing with the relatively same virus but even if the mutation rate was a bit higher, most tests kits amplify a segment of RNA from the virus's nucleocapsid (protein coat) and this is what's detected to determine whether a test is positive. Even if other parts of the COVID-19 genome are mutated to the point we have multiple strains, it's still probable that the gene for the nucleocapsid remains unmutated and will still produce accurate results when it's tested for.

[Tash]

SARS-CoV-2 or not, any average year there is lots of people touching the face all the time or worse have a Onychophagia habit, 45 percent of teenagers engage in it.
If virus picked up that easy they be more sick than in school.
https://youtu.be/uHoarZj42t4?t=63
Yes a needle or mosquito is one way of getting it into a bloodstream

[tvbcof]

Going to assume entertain the hypothesis that this is a 'gain of function' which will ultimately be used to justify forced vaccinations for all.
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Could be multiple strains with different feature sets floating around.  In fact I think that is known to be the case at this point.  How that came to be is what is sensitive and contentious.

WHO published a report that scientists were working on that stated there weren't many mutations in coronavirus when compared to the strain propagating in the U.S. and the one that originated in Wuhan. I'm willing to bet we're dealing with the relatively same virus but even if the mutation rate was a bit higher, most tests kits amplify a segment of RNA from the virus's nucleocapsid (protein coat) and this is what's detected to determine whether a test is positive. Even if other parts of the COVID-19 genome are mutated to the point we have multiple strains, it's still probable that the gene for the nucleocapsid remains unmutated and will still produce accurate results when it's tested for.

At least your prose is not outright babble which is common here, but it really doesn't elucidate very much and is not especially pertainent to some of the interesting elements of this saga.

To the best of my knowledge nobody has really explained what, exactly, it is about this coronavirus which give it some of it's somewhat unique (claimed) properties.

According to standard theory, the rna codes for the capsid coating, and it is a fair guess that the degradation properties of said is contributing to some of it's 'gain of function' features.  Incubation period, ability to linger on surfaces, and the like.

Other hypotheses are certainly possible.  For instance, there may be environmental exposures that individuals have undergone which modulate their sensitivity or expression to either this coronavirus, or all coronaviruses and pathogens more generally.

Another hypothesis which is, if anything, gaining strength in my mind is that SARS-cov-2 is nothing more than any other seasonal and unremarkable coronavirus which makes the rounds as do all the rest, but is being blamed for a hype which itself exists almost exclusively for political reasons.  That some countries (generally bankrupt ones who rely on welfare from more wealthy countries) label anyone who died WITH SARS-cov-2 instead of people who died FROM the virus as being covid-19 moralities bolsters that hypothesis.

All of these hypotheses should be explored in an open manner free from political or economic influences.  If that could happen I'd be happy.

[BADecker]

- 96.2% does not seem all that similar to me.  Plenty of room for 'insertions'.  IIRC, humans dna is about 99% similar to chimpanzee dna.

If you knew a little more about genetics you'd realize how little you actually know.

God made all DNA of all life similar at its base. This so that people could "have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth" - Genesis 1:28.

[BADecker]

badecker you have already been told and i dumbed it down for you.

normal hospital useage for minor ailments / cosmetic /elective stuff has been cancelled. standard GP checkups, cancelled.
this is caled a thing called self isolation.
people turning up with a small wood splinter in their finger will be told to man up and stop crying and go home in many cases.

Thanks, franky1. Now that normal hospital stuff has been stopped to make room for Coronavirus patients, the hospitals are really empty. Even if there ARE a few CV patients, they don't want to go to the hospital to be messed with. I think people know that hospitals usually make things worse.

I don't mind that hospitals are losing income, however, because a lot of useless medical causes insurance to skyrocket. And, that is what most medical is... hyped ways to cure stuff when nutrition would have been the easier, cheaper way. Medical and the so-called CV pandemic go to show you how easy it is to get people to believe a bunch of hype.

The problem is that something like 30% of the population is working for the medical industry one way or another. If this fake CV pandemic continues for a while, these people will start losing their jobs and businesses. It will affect the whole money system of the country.

This might be good. It might bring the prices of everything down over the long term. And maybe that's exactly what the big money people wanted all along. But it will probably hurt a bunch of little people at the same time.