Coronavirus Outbreak

[Gyfts]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/


South Korea is about the only developed country that has nailed the response to coronavirus and it's mind boggling considering they haven't shut down the entire country.




Pretty incredible what social distancing + mass testing will get you.

[nutildah]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

South Korea is about the only developed country that has nailed the response to coronavirus and it's mind boggling considering they haven't shut down the entire country.



Pretty incredible what social distancing + mass testing will get you.

They are also big on mask wearing. Same thing in China and Taiwan. Pretty certain cultures that do that already are one step ahead in the game.

[tvbcof]

If people think this is bad, wait until they hear about influenza

Since October 2019:

13,000,000 – 18,000,000
flu illnesses

5,900,000 – 8,500,000
flu medical visits

120,000 – 210,000
flu hospitalizations

6,600 – 17,000
flu deaths

corona - v has crushed this and you spoke far too soon.

Prior to the Wuhan release the CDC wouldn't allow a death to be attributed to coronavirus.  Now the CDC is instructing that every person who died with coronavirus in their system, no matter how they died, to be labeled a coronavirus death.  And at any given time a sizable percentage of humans will have some SARS-cov-2 in their system.

As with most things in our phony world, it's all about how to massage numbers on a graph or spreadsheet.  The very same event (like any other coronavirus infection which makes a pass every year) can be either something which nobody even knows or thinks about to the biggest pandemic in 100 years just by playing with some numbers and seeding some social media outlets at just the right time.

Note that the CDC will and has happily labeled a shotgun blast to the head to be a 'kratom death' because the deceased had kratom in his system if there is a political reason to do so.

[TwitchySeal]

If people think this is bad, wait until they hear about influenza

Since October 2019:

13,000,000 – 18,000,000
flu illnesses

5,900,000 – 8,500,000
flu medical visits

120,000 – 210,000
flu hospitalizations

6,600 – 17,000
flu deaths

corona - v has crushed this and you spoke far too soon.

Prior to the Wuhan release the CDC wouldn't allow a death to be attributed to coronavirus.  Now the CDC is instructing that every person who died with coronavirus in their system, no matter how they died, to be labeled a coronavirus death.  And at any given time a sizable percentage of humans will have some SARS-cov-2 in their system.

As with most things in our phony world, it's all about how to massage numbers on a graph or spreadsheet.  The very same event (like any other coronavirus infection which makes a pass every year) can be either something which nobody even knows or thinks about to the biggest pandemic in 100 years just by playing with some numbers and seeding some social media outlets at just the right time.

Note that the CDC will and has happily labeled a shotgun blast to the head to be a 'kratom death' because the deceased had kratom in his system if there is a political reason to do so.

If the world went through a real pandemic, what would be different from whats happening right now?

Or do you think all the other pandemics throughout history were phony also?

[tvbcof]

Prior to the Wuhan release the CDC wouldn't allow a death to be attributed to coronavirus.  Now the CDC is instructing that every person who died with coronavirus in their system, no matter how they died, to be labeled a coronavirus death.  And at any given time a sizable percentage of humans will have some SARS-cov-2 in their system.

As with most things in our phony world, it's all about how to massage numbers on a graph or spreadsheet.  The very same event (like any other coronavirus infection which makes a pass every year) can be either something which nobody even knows or thinks about to the biggest pandemic in 100 years just by playing with some numbers and seeding some social media outlets at just the right time.

Note that the CDC will and has happily labeled a shotgun blast to the head to be a 'kratom death' because the deceased had kratom in his system if there is a political reason to do so.

If the world went through a real pandemic, what would be different from whats happening right now?

For one thing, some people would be dieing from the disease rather than people dieing from something else being labeled as dieing from the disease.

Or do you think all the other pandemics throughout history were phony also?

I wasn't there, but as best I can tell the bubonic plague was as real as a heart attack.

The question in my mind is whether the bubonic plague was a biological warfare agent.  Actually it's historical fact that it was used as one by catapulting corpses over city walls in a siege, but my question is was it actually developed by refinement somewhere in some alchemist's lab?  I doubt it, but I also suspect that the sophistication of some of these alchemists is not fully appreciated.  And biological agent creation is fundamentally no more difficult than selectively breading animals.  In fact it's a lot more practical because the lifecycle of pathogens is much shorter.

[TwitchySeal]

Prior to the Wuhan release the CDC wouldn't allow a death to be attributed to coronavirus.  Now the CDC is instructing that every person who died with coronavirus in their system, no matter how they died, to be labeled a coronavirus death.  And at any given time a sizable percentage of humans will have some SARS-cov-2 in their system.

As with most things in our phony world, it's all about how to massage numbers on a graph or spreadsheet.  The very same event (like any other coronavirus infection which makes a pass every year) can be either something which nobody even knows or thinks about to the biggest pandemic in 100 years just by playing with some numbers and seeding some social media outlets at just the right time.

Note that the CDC will and has happily labeled a shotgun blast to the head to be a 'kratom death' because the deceased had kratom in his system if there is a political reason to do so.

If the world went through a real pandemic, what would be different from whats happening right now?

For one thing, some people would be dieing from the disease rather than people dieing from something else being labeled as dieing from the disease.

Do you really know that nobody has died from Covid-19?  How could you know that?

[tvbcof]

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Do you really know that nobody has died from Covid-19?  How could you know that?

I don't 'know' almost anything, and I am naturally suspicious of people who claim they do.

I have run across a lot of tid-bits of information which seems credible and which are very well explained by the hypothesis that at this point in time there is a political will to make the 'pandemic' as scary as possible, and using shenanigans with reporting is one of the ones which is a very good match.

As an example, when Italy was reporting over 3,000 covid-19 deaths, only three of them were noted in people who had no other known medical condition.  Certain highly qualified medical professionals have pointed out the same thing.

I am not at all adverse to listen to the minority opinion in the medical profession.  It is in fact nearly universal that things which are accepted as medical fact now, such as the importance of sterilizing surgical equipment, were for many years vigorously and viciously rejected by the medical establishment.  This even in the presence of observable and amazing evidence of the 'outcast' doctor's success.

[TwitchySeal]

...

Do you really know that nobody has died from Covid-19?  How could you know that?

I don't 'know' almost anything, and I am naturally suspicious of people who claim they do.

I have run across a lot of tid-bits of information which seems credible and which are very well explained by the hypothesis that at this point in time there is a political will to make the 'pandemic' as scary as possible, and using shenanigans with reporting is one of the ones which is a very good match.

As an example, when Italy was reporting over 3,000 covid-19 deaths, only three of them were noted in people who had no other known medical condition.  Certain highly qualified medical professionals have pointed out the same thing.

I am not at all adverse to listen to the minority opinion in the medical profession.  It is in fact nearly universal that things which are accepted as medical fact now, such as the importance of sterilizing surgical equipment, were for many years vigorously and viciously rejected by the medical establishment.  This even in the presence of observable and amazing evidence of the 'outcast' doctor's success.

Something like 25% of Americans have a pre-existing health condition.

I don't why why it's such a red flag that pretty much everyone that's dying had some sort of health condition to begin with.

[franky1]

lets get this straight.
unlike ebola where its like it boils the blood and bursts cells open rapidly to cause people to bleed from every orifice. sars is like nuts. its actually the bodys immune system reaction to an invader that becomes harmful to that person.
yep the body reacting to a virus or allergen is what causes most people to be fine and a small percentage of peoples body to over react.

people with weak immune systems surpressed immune systems and other things where their body would over react very easily are the ones at risk.

if shot and then had corona. they would not have their death certified as a corona death... the reason why. is simple right now people who come into a hospital with a gun shot have an obvious reason for their ailment.. a hole in their body.

only those who come in with respiratory distress, fever, cough and not other things are given the test. and if they die due to the respiratory distress not eleviating they are certified as dying due to corona.
(by no other things, i mean yea they can have heartissues/diabetes but if their complaint is not a diabetic symptom but corona symptom. they are given the test)

so please don not stupidly think that an idea of a gunshot victim will be told they died of corona if when they came into hospital they were just complaining of pain

use common sense.
someone in a leg injury ward due to a broken leg. who has corona but no fever, cough, breathing issues.. if they die due to blood loss or surgery going wrong. it would NOT be sign off as a corona death.

if someone broke their leg because they fell over trying to gasp for breath due to fever,cough,respiratory symptoms and when in hospital had to be intubated and given drugs to surpress their immuno response, and it didnt work.. then that would be a corona death

do you get it? or are you looking for someone to agree with your latest conspiracy.
i truly cant beleive someone thinks in a years time doctors would look back on the symptom list of corona. and find 'gunshot to the head and brain heamerage' as a corona symptom.. sorry medical systems dont work like that
corona deaths will has respiratory distress as the significant symptom. not broken leg or diabetic symptom or others.

please use common sense

[tvbcof]

lets get this straight.
unlike ebola that literally boils the blood and bursts cells open rapidly to cause people to bleed from every...

Lol!  DON'T ask Mr. Science.

[franky1]

lets get this straight.
unlike ebola that literally boils the blood and bursts cells open rapidly to cause people to bleed from every...

Lol!  DON'T ask Mr. Science.

boring rebuttal.. the grammar nazi reply of highlighting a certain word typical low IQ response. what you need to do is do proper research and realise that NO corona deaths have been certified where it has been not related to the symptoms of corona. even if they had other things.
goodluck with your imagination though. just a shame you cant use them braincells for something positive

go on. tell me how the magic works
in yor mind if a depressed person who had an underlying issue wanted to kill himself. started licking doorknobs and random peoples faces to get corona... but then only had a cough.. if they then jumped infront of a train..
later at the hospital they tested positive for corona, but died due to crush injuries..
tell me how you honestly think that a death certificate would be listed as having hit by train as a corona symptom
go on.

come on. whats your next conspiracy. how if there is a small percentage of death due to corona but a ~50% chance the male population would get it whether symptomatic or asymptomatic. that its some feminist design

[tvbcof]

lets get this straight.
unlike ebola that literally boils the blood and bursts cells open rapidly to cause people to bleed from every...

Lol!  DON'T ask Mr. Science.

boring rebuttal.. the grammar nazi reply ...

Franky1 and Beans! Franky1 and Beans!

[EdenHazard]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/


South Korea is about the only developed country that has nailed the response to coronavirus and it's mind boggling considering they haven't shut down the entire country.




Pretty incredible what social distancing + mass testing will get you.

I nearly got locked down there , successfully get out of the country with tons of problem now (
They used to be on top behind China with 6k people infected but the quick response on how they handled the virus spread is impressive.
I feel it's safer to be in South Korea rather than where I am now shhhhh#$t

[Ibian]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

South Korea is about the only developed country that has nailed the response to coronavirus and it's mind boggling considering they haven't shut down the entire country.



Pretty incredible what social distancing + mass testing will get you.

They are also big on mask wearing. Same thing in China and Taiwan. Pretty certain cultures that do that already are one step ahead in the game.

Maybe, but I don't wanna live in a culture where people hide their face.

[franky1]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

South Korea is about the only developed country that has nailed the response to coronavirus and it's mind boggling considering they haven't shut down the entire country.



Pretty incredible what social distancing + mass testing will get you.

deaths till on an incline. there is a possibility that they just ran out of tests so just not recording as many new cases

[TwitchySeal]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

South Korea is about the only developed country that has nailed the response to coronavirus and it's mind boggling considering they haven't shut down the entire country.



Pretty incredible what social distancing + mass testing will get you.

deaths till on an incline. there is a possibility that they just ran out of tests so just not recording as many new cases

Single digits.

They did something right.

[Cnut237]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

South Korea is about the only developed country that has nailed the response to coronavirus and it's mind boggling considering they haven't shut down the entire country.



Pretty incredible what social distancing + mass testing will get you.

They are also big on mask wearing. Same thing in China and Taiwan. Pretty certain cultures that do that already are one step ahead in the game.

I think the reason that the south-east asian governments responded better is their recent experience of SARS/MERS outbreaks...

Almost no country took it seriously enough. There is an exception, which we'll come to in a moment.

Governments are reactive rather than pro-active. They will act when there is a visible threat, not when there is a potential of a threat. This is why a virus with a 5-day incubation period can wreak such havoc. If you wait until there is an outbreak before you implement a lockdown, then you're 5 days too late, the virus is already spreading. Why do governments act in this way? It is because in general their main aim is not to protect the population, but to protect the economy. They are not going to take costly pre-emptive protective measures when it would cost millions of dollars to do so. They are not going to stockpile medical supplies and equipment against the possibility of a future pandemic. And they are sure as hell not going to shut shops and businesses until the very last minute when it becomes unavoidable.

In retrospect of course, I'll bet a lot of governments are wishing that as soon as the initial news surfaced in China, they had just shut their borders or implemented a 14-day quarantine for people entering the country. That would have kept economic damage to a minimum. The reason they didn't do this is because they weighed the definite economic effects against the possibility of an outbreak occurring, and went with the option that is best for the economy right now. It's what they always do. Democracy is great, but is flawed like any system of governance. We are locked into 4 or 5 year electoral cycles, which promotes fatal short-termism. Governments are habituated into making decisions that affect the current moment. They won't spend money that will hurt now but show benefits in say a decade's time. They would get hammered by the press for spending money needlessly, whilst some future administration would take all the credit for a decision made by their predecessors.

Underestimating events such as the COVID-19 pandemic is hard-wired into our societies.

So where is the exception? South Korea. The purple horizontal line across the middle of the chart.


_{https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Epidemic_curve_COVID19_certain_countries.jpg}

Ever since confirmed cases began cropping up, disinfecting crews have been blanketing South Korea’s trains, subways and crowded public plazas. The government is pushing out mobile phone alerts with details about confirmed cases and spots visited by those who tested positive; apps alert users when they are near potentially infected sites. Residents showing symptoms flock to drive-through stations and mobile booths for quick, cheap tests, getting the results by text within hours. Those testing positive receive health kits with masks, sanitiser and other supplies; investigators interview them for details about where they have been and who they have been in contact with, requiring those in self-quarantine to provide regular updates via an app. All the information is uploaded in real time on a map online.

_{https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/south-korea-coronavirus-flatten-curve-covid-19}

The backbone of Korea’s success has been mass, indiscriminate testing, followed by rigorous contact tracing and the quarantine of anyone the carrier has come into contact with. As of March 19, the country has conducted more than 307,000 tests, the highest per capita in the world. The UK has conducted 64,600; The US even less that. “You have countries like the US right now, where there's a fairly strict criteria of who can be tested,” says Kee Park, a lecturer on global health at Harvard Medical School. “I know people personally who have symptoms that are highly suspicious, but they don't meet all the criteria and so they're not being tested.”
“[South Korea’s] extensive testing is a very valuable tool to both control the virus and understand and measure the effectiveness of the responses that are taking place,” says Michael Mina, assistant professor at the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at Harvard University. “It’s allowed individuals to take matters into their own hands and make social distancing decisions on their own, both to protect those around them and to protect themselves from those who are infected around them.”

_{https://www.wired.co.uk/article/south-korea-coronavirus}

So why did South Korea react so quickly and decisively whilst other major economies were dragging their feet? The answer is that South Korea has been here before.

Q) What best enables a country to respond quickly and decisively to a pandemic?
A) Previous experience of a pandemic.

South Korea had a MERS outbreak in 2015. Fatality rate 35%.
Have a look at Hong Kong and Singapore, too. They had experience of the SARS outbreak in 2002-4. You will find their lines towards the bottom of the above chart.

So I think we can draw comfort from this. Evidence suggests that all countries will be better prepared next time. And there surely will be a next time. Whilst the current pandemic is terrible and is costing thousands of lives around the globe, we can be thankful that the fatality rate is comparatively low - a couple of percent at most, compared to say the 35% of MERS. If COVID-19 had that not-unheard-of fatality rate, w'ed be staring at an apocalypse right now, instead of a mere global emergency.

[estenity]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/30/fda-approves-anti-malarial-drugs-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/

[Railai]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/30/fda-approves-anti-malarial-drugs-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/

But I saw another post where it says that this can create mutation to the current covid19. I just don't know what to believe from what I am reading..

[franky1]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/30/fda-approves-anti-malarial-drugs-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/

But I saw another post where it says that this can create mutation to the current covid19. I just don't know what to believe from what I am reading..

some meds that have a immuno suppressant element helps. .. (anti-imflammatory)
but those who are immuno surppressed or try immuno surppressing BEFORE getting corona, cause their body to go into other super overdrives when they do get corona.
which is why it is very very stupid to just medicate random people who dont yet have corona
instead only give it as an almost last ditch attempt to curb the symptoms of the immuno response to corona.

in most cases. the best thing hospitals can do is to just try keeping the patient breathing long enough for their own body you calm down. after all you cant fight a virus if dead. drastic interventions like megadosing anti-imflammitories.
especially when those anti-imflamatories come with their own symptom cautions/risks/side effects should be for last ditch attempts when breathing aids alone are not enough

there have already been cases where people are given megadoses of anti-imflammitories. they get better. then taken off it and symptoms return. this is because it doesnt kill corona.
it just halts your reaction to it.
some people who left hospital thinking they were fine later get sick again.
this is why even antimileria drugs say to continue with the course of medication for a week or upto 4 weeks after feeling better.

but still not recommended as the foolish things others in ths topic have been advising to use it like a daily suppliment even for those who dont have corona