Coronavirus Outbreak

[squatz1]

"A small town in northern Italy has reportedly stopped all new coronavirus infections as part of a successful experiment."

What is the name?

"Professor Crisanti warned that that for every patient that shows symptoms for COVID-19 there were about 10 who don't."

If that is the case immagen the number who already recoved

It seems to affect politicians and celebrities a lot more, homeless people in the sewers seem fine. Have they too many bacteria on them that even viruses avoid them?

Can you read?

Imagine how many people are walking around unknowingly infecting others.

Exactly. This is the problem that we're facing in the US as well. You've got people saying, well we don't have that many confirmed cases so it isn't that bad. But yeah, while we don't have that many confirmed cases that doesn't mean anything if we're not ACTUALLY TESTING PEOPLE.

That's why politicians know this is very serious. I saw an article the other day about Louisiana, where they had tested about 60 people (at the time of the article being written) and I think somewhere in the realm of 28-30 were positive. That's fucking horrid.

This is going to get MUCH MUCH worse.

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[tvbcof]

"A small town in northern Italy has reportedly stopped all new coronavirus infections as part of a successful experiment."

What is the name?

"Professor Crisanti warned that that for every patient that shows symptoms for COVID-19 there were about 10 who don't."

If that is the case immagen the number who already recoved

It seems to affect politicians and celebrities a lot more, homeless people in the sewers seem fine. Have they too many bacteria on them that even viruses avoid them?

Can you read?

Imagine how many people are walking around unknowingly infecting others.

This is a pretty good illustration of why a 'lethal' weaponized biological agent is not a very good one.  Difficult to deploy.  A much more effective one only shows on 1 in 10 people which helps it move around an entire population.

Another thing that people get all hung up on is 'well, the country which deployed it will be catch it too.'  That might have made sense 50 or 100 years ago in a more simple and 'innocent' world.  With our current 'borderless' and 'globalized' world the 'enemy' tends to be a class of people more than it is a geographical population.  At least that is how it is conceived of by those who have the resources to develop and deploy such things.  Naturally these people are in no hurry to disabuse the 'useless eater' classes of their antiquated notions.

[Tash]

"A small town in northern Italy has reportedly stopped all new coronavirus infections as part of a successful experiment."

What is the name?

"Professor Crisanti warned that that for every patient that shows symptoms for COVID-19 there were about 10 who don't."

If that is the case immagen the number who already recoved

It seems to affect politicians and celebrities a lot more, homeless people in the sewers seem fine. Have they too many bacteria on them that even viruses avoid them?

Can you read?

Imagine how many people are walking around unknowingly infecting others.

Exactly. This is the problem that we're facing in the US as well. You've got people saying, well we don't have that many confirmed cases so it isn't that bad. But yeah, while we don't have that many confirmed cases that doesn't mean anything if we're not ACTUALLY TESTING PEOPLE.

That's why politicians know this is very serious. I saw an article the other day about Louisiana, where they had tested about 60 people (at the time of the article being written) and I think somewhere in the realm of 28-30 were positive. That's fucking horrid.

This is going to get MUCH MUCH worse.

Before you even can start testing a peer reviewed test must exit. Currently no one knows how accurate or even the same test used wordwide.

[Ibian]

At least the myth (or FUD) that SARS-CoV-2 originated in a lab has finally been debunked by (...) scientists.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

All conspiracy theorists (or terrorists?) please leave this thread. It's game over now.
Thanks, good bye  

Yeah, no. We know the genome of the virus, we know which family it comes from. The rate of mutation is just too big to realistically be random chance. The actions of the chinese clearly show that they know exactly what they are dealing with.

And in any case, it doesn't actually matter. Deliberate or accident, it came from China and China must be punished.

[Tash]

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Czechia	522		3	0,00%		7,15%
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Jordan	56		1	0,00%		5,47%
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Cambodia	37		1	0,00%		6,08%
Latvia	71		1	0,00%		6,24%
Nepal	1		1	0,00%		6,29%
N.Macedonia	43		1	0,00%		6,34%
Lithuania	34		1	0,00%		6,67%
Estonia	258		1	0,00%		6,68%
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Serbia	89		1	0,00%		9,14%
Armenia	110		1	0,00%		9,93%
Afghanistan	22		1	0,00%		10,20%
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China	80928	3245	70420	4,61%		4,98%
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Pakistan	307	2	13	15,38%		2,75%
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Iran	17361	1135	5710	19,88%		8,10%
Egypt	210	6	28	21,43%		4,64%
India	169	3	14	21,43%		3,66%
Algeria	75	7	32	21,88%		6,65%
Iraq	164	12	41	29,27%		3,31%
Bangladesh	14	1	3	33,33%		2,37%
Greece	418	5	14	35,71%		8,45%
Poland	287	5	13	38,46%		6,52%
Ireland	366	2	5	40,00%		7,38%
Austria	1646	4	9	44,44%		10,44%
Belgium	1486	14	31	45,16%		10,04%
Portugal	642	2	4	50,00%		9,08%
Jamaica	15	1	2	50,00%		6,07%
Hungary	58	1	2	50,00%		7,36%
Spain	14769	638	1081	59,02%		8,97%
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Argentina	97	2	3	66,67%		7,55%
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Canada	727	9	12	75,00%		10,53%
Lebanon	133	4	4	100,00%		8,02%
Moldova	36	1	1	100,00%		8,98%
UK	2626	104	65	160,00%		9,76%
Indonesia	227	19	11	172,73%		3,12%
Brazil	529	4	2	200,00%		11,77%
Morocco	54	2	1	200,00%		5,84%
Switzerland	3115	33	15	220,00%		12,25%
Philippines	202	17	7	242,86%		4,39%
Ecuador	168	3	1	300,00%		8,39%
San Marino	140	14	4	350,00%		6,40%
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Luxembourg	203	2	0,1#	2000,00%		6,16%
Ukraine	16	2	0,1#	2000,00%		6,73%
Bulgaria	92	2	0,1#	2000,00%		8,23%
Albania	59	2	0,1#	2000,00%

[franky1]

gotta love UK health/science adviser meetings that was broadcast live within last hour of this post


might need to follow their own advice

[TECSHARE]

At least the myth (or FUD) that SARS-CoV-2 originated in a lab has finally been debunked by (...) scientists.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

All conspiracy theorists (or terrorists?) please leave this thread. It's game over now.
Thanks, good bye  

Yeah, no. We know the genome of the virus, we know which family it comes from. The rate of mutation is just too big to realistically be random chance. The actions of the chinese clearly show that they know exactly what they are dealing with.

And in any case, it doesn't actually matter. Deliberate or accident, it came from China and China must be punished.

While I agree it was likely a bio-weapon, and that study seems to make some very strangely worded conclusions for a scientific paper giving me the distinct impression it serves more political purposes than scientific ones. Even if the article is totally accurate, this is only something that excludes genetic engineering, not an accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment. This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution.


Still, we need to chill this type of revenge rhetoric. This could just as easily have been done by a 3rd party in order to try to entrap the US and China into a devastating war. This event fits the bill of an opening salvo in open kinetic warfare, and even if you don't live in the US or China, this isn't something that will end well for anyone if it happens.

[fillippone]

gotta love UK health/science adviser meetings that was broadcast live within last hour of this post


might need to follow their own advice

Cough in the elbow has been a thing since months in Italy.



Official testimonial:

[nutildah]

While I agree it was likely a bio-weapon, and that study seems to make some very strangely worded conclusions for a scientific paper giving me the distinct impression it serves more political purposes than scientific ones. Even if the article is totally accurate, this is only something that excludes genetic engineering, not an accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment. This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know more about this issue than the authors of this article, who work for the largest non-profit biomedical research organization in the United States.

An "accelerated forced mutation process"? Because you have no idea how little you understand about the issue, you will have no way of understanding why you are so incredibly wrong.

"This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution."

 

First of all, there's an entire section of the article called "Evidence for natural evolution".

"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2"

"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,"

"Accelerated forced mutation" is NOT the same thing as "natural evolution."

They're not saying "similar to natural evolution," they're saying it is natural evolution. But because you are so very very smart you know better than the people whose jobs it is to study the topic day and night, right?

They studied the issue. You did not. That is why I support their conclusion:

In one scenario, the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. This is how previous coronavirus outbreaks have emerged, with humans contracting the virus after direct exposure to civets (SARS) and camels (MERS)...

In the other proposed scenario, a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. For instance, some coronaviruses from pangolins, armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa, have an RBD structure very similar to that of SARS-CoV-2...

over yours:

likely a bio-weapon

1,000x, every day of the week.

Oh, but let me guess, they are just political pawns used to facilitate a cover-up. And meanwhile you're completely unbiased and just presenting facts as you see them. Right.

[franky1]

those conspiracy people trying to set a narrative that sars 2002 vs 2019 are too strangely mutated to be natiural

im sorry to inform you of these details:
1. it didnt just disapear in 2002 and miraculously reappear in 2019 as a new megastrain
2. the virus is and has been around every year from as far back as recorded in 1960's

each year people get it. but most years the new seasonal mutation is not strong because people built up an immunity the year before so a similar thing the following year makes your body not go into super overload fight mode.

however every 5-10 years the next seasonal mutation does change in a new direction naturally and can be more sever then the previous 5-10 years seasonal symptoms

..
lastly the mutation is not changing by the day with each person it passes. stop trying to pretend that there are 5million varients of sars 2019.
yes the flu in winter 2020 will be a new varient than winter 2019 but stop thinking its a new mutation every day in the last couple months.

the virus itself is not deadly. what is causing most issues is if the body does not recognise a new pathogen your body goes into mega fight mode as its unsure what to do with it.
if the body does recognise it due to having it previously or vaccinated against it. then the body knows exactly what to do without causing too much severeity.
this new strain is just different enough than previous seasons to confuse the body. so es when in the lungs your lungs natural inflammatory system will try burning the virus which can cause discomfort and breathing issues. your mucus and throat wil react. and if hard to breath your heart wil work harder.

if your weak immune your body has to work even harder. if you have lung problems you wil feel it more severely as your body works harder. and heart problems are more severe as your body works harder.
the virus is not killing your heart. its actually oyour heart pressuring ITSELF to work harder to cope with trying to fight the virus.

so ll you conspiracy people thinking the virus has been genetically designed in a lab to identify people by age.. your dumb
all you conspiracy nutters thinking its been lab created to itself attack the heart. your dumb
all you nutter that think it can identify what medication people take your dumber then a dumb person giving birth to a dumb person

can you please stop conspiracy theorising and instead actually fact check
do not just form an idea and then search specifically for quotes that match your formed idea.
instead find all facts from all sides and actually be critical about it all and let the facts form your opinion.. not the other way round

[tvbcof]

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Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know more about this issue than the authors of this article, who work for the largest non-profit biomedical research organization in the United States.
...

In other words, he works at a place which exists so the multi-billionairs can enjoy their hobbies tax-free.  Said patrons have a nasty propensity to gravitate toward eugenics and de-population for whatever reason.

[TECSHARE]

While I agree it was likely a bio-weapon, and that study seems to make some very strangely worded conclusions for a scientific paper giving me the distinct impression it serves more political purposes than scientific ones. Even if the article is totally accurate, this is only something that excludes genetic engineering, not an accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment. This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know more about this issue than the authors of this article, who work for the largest non-profit biomedical research organization in the United States.

An "accelerated forced mutation process"? Because you have no idea how little you understand about the issue, you will have no way of understanding why you are so incredibly wrong.

"This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution."

 

First of all, there's an entire section of the article called "Evidence for natural evolution".

"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2"

"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,"

"Accelerated forced mutation" is NOT the same thing as "natural evolution."

They're not saying "similar to natural evolution," they're saying it is natural evolution. But because you are so very very smart you know better than the people whose jobs it is to study the topic day and night, right?

They studied the issue. You did not. That is why I support their conclusion:

In one scenario, the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. This is how previous coronavirus outbreaks have emerged, with humans contracting the virus after direct exposure to civets (SARS) and camels (MERS)...

In the other proposed scenario, a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. For instance, some coronaviruses from pangolins, armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa, have an RBD structure very similar to that of SARS-CoV-2...

over yours:

likely a bio-weapon

1,000x, every day of the week.

Oh, but let me guess, they are just political pawns used to facilitate a cover-up. And meanwhile you're completely unbiased and just presenting facts as you see them. Right.

From the paper: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution," Goulding adds, "ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering."

Genetic engineering is not the same thing as forced mutation and selective evolution. They claim to be ruling out genetic engineering. Even assuming this is true, this is not the only way a virus can be manipulated to selectively mutate certain traits in a lab.


"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,"

Accelerated mutation and selective evolution is still a natural process. Even assuming there was absolutely no human interference with the evolution of this virus whatsoever, this still doesn't mean it is not a bio-weapon. A naturally evolved virus can still be intentionally released and used as a weapon. Nothing I am saying is even remotely debatable, it is fact.

[Ibian]

At least the myth (or FUD) that SARS-CoV-2 originated in a lab has finally been debunked by (...) scientists.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

All conspiracy theorists (or terrorists?) please leave this thread. It's game over now.
Thanks, good bye  

Yeah, no. We know the genome of the virus, we know which family it comes from. The rate of mutation is just too big to realistically be random chance. The actions of the chinese clearly show that they know exactly what they are dealing with.

And in any case, it doesn't actually matter. Deliberate or accident, it came from China and China must be punished.

While I agree it was likely a bio-weapon, and that study seems to make some very strangely worded conclusions for a scientific paper giving me the distinct impression it serves more political purposes than scientific ones. Even if the article is totally accurate, this is only something that excludes genetic engineering, not an accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment. This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution.


Still, we need to chill this type of revenge rhetoric. This could just as easily have been done by a 3rd party in order to try to entrap the US and China into a devastating war. This event fits the bill of an opening salvo in open kinetic warfare, and even if you don't live in the US or China, this isn't something that will end well for anyone if it happens.

Most of the world would get caught in a US/China war yes. I still say, China must be destroyed. They brought us the spanish flu, the plague, even the yearly sniffles. Even if all they do is be disgustingly unhygienic, that is more than enough justification to wipe them off the map and lower the number of diseases they spread to the rest of the world. You wouldn't tolerate an open pit full of shit in your back yard, why do we tolerate a much larger version of that on the planet?

[Ibian]

While I agree it was likely a bio-weapon, and that study seems to make some very strangely worded conclusions for a scientific paper giving me the distinct impression it serves more political purposes than scientific ones. Even if the article is totally accurate, this is only something that excludes genetic engineering, not an accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment. This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know more about this issue than the authors of this article, who work for the largest non-profit biomedical research organization in the United States.

An "accelerated forced mutation process"? Because you have no idea how little you understand about the issue, you will have no way of understanding why you are so incredibly wrong.

"This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution."

 

First of all, there's an entire section of the article called "Evidence for natural evolution".

"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2"

"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,"

"Accelerated forced mutation" is NOT the same thing as "natural evolution."

They're not saying "similar to natural evolution," they're saying it is natural evolution. But because you are so very very smart you know better than the people whose jobs it is to study the topic day and night, right?

They studied the issue. You did not. That is why I support their conclusion:

In one scenario, the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. This is how previous coronavirus outbreaks have emerged, with humans contracting the virus after direct exposure to civets (SARS) and camels (MERS)...

In the other proposed scenario, a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. For instance, some coronaviruses from pangolins, armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa, have an RBD structure very similar to that of SARS-CoV-2...

over yours:

likely a bio-weapon

1,000x, every day of the week.

Oh, but let me guess, they are just political pawns used to facilitate a cover-up. And meanwhile you're completely unbiased and just presenting facts as you see them. Right.

Just answer one tiny question. Is there any possibility that they are wrong?

[Ibian]

lastly the mutation is not changing by the day with each person it passes. stop trying to pretend that there are 5million varients of sars 2019.
yes the flu in winter 2020 will be a new varient than winter 2019 but stop thinking its a new mutation every day in the last couple months.

I have not seen anyone say that. Where are you getting this?

the virus itself is not deadly

Nevermind.

[fillippone]

 
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

This is happening in italy:

Non sappiamo davvero quanti sono i morti
(We really don't know how many dead are there)

Last week, in a retirement home in the province of Cremona with 460 beds, 18 elderly people with severe respiratory symptoms died in one day. Another nursing home in Mediglia, near Milan, recorded 25 deaths in 23 days: more than one per day. In yet another structure, in the southern suburbs of Milan, there have been sixteen deaths since the beginning of March. Almost everyone before dying showed symptoms and breathing difficulties compatible with those of COVID-19 , Corriere della Sera said , but almost nobody was tested and their deaths escaped the count presented every evening by the Lombardy regional authorities and then from the national ones of the Civil Protection.

There is no way of knowing the exact reasons why these people died, even if their numbers appear abnormal; and local administrators, scholars and doctors are increasingly numerous, considering only the official figures provided on the coronavirus infection to be partial.

Link to translated article

[tvbcof]

...
Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know more about this issue than the authors of this article, who work for the largest non-profit biomedical research organization in the United States.
...

In other words, he works at a place which exists so the multi-billionairs can enjoy their hobbies tax-free.  Said patrons have a nasty propensity to gravitate toward eugenics and de-population for whatever reason.

There's no point in attempting to reason with you because like techole, you just want to mumble incoherently about conspiracies all day. Whatever cognitive side effects caused by vaccinations and medications you fear so greatly, your level of retardation overwhelms them by several orders of magnitude. Might as well take the medications as you have nothing left to lose.

The null hypothesis is as follows:

 - Big 'non-profits'(*), NGO's, etc are not sponsored by billionaires.

 - billionaires don't get tax write-offs by 'donating' to 'charity'.

 - billionaires (and royalty) are no more likely to be eugenics enthusiast than anyone else.

 - billionaire (and royalty) are no more likely to worry about overpopulation than anyone else.

 - people who 'give' millions of dollars to an organization never ask that the organization takes a particular direction.

 - ...but if they do, it is not correlated with the individual interests of the donor.

You see, the problem I have being a 'normie' is that I have to accept all kinds of idiocy in order to sustain the 'approved' thought patterns expected of someone of that class.  I also need to pretend like very obvious historical and current observations which are right in front of my face simply don't exist.  I just cannot and will not do it.  Sorry.

Now what I could do would be to keep my mouth shut about things and either hide in my hole watching, or participate in the evil for fun and profit.  That isn't my thing.  Plus if I make believe that I would someday have to explain myself and my life to St. Peter, I would have a hard time.  I use that as a guide for my behavior even though I'm a fairly staunch athiest and don't expect to be standing before the guy at any point.

(*) 'non-profit' status doesn't limit the principles in the organization from taking home multi-hundred-thousand-per-year salaries and often they do.  And by working effectively on the projects which are important to the sponsors it is likely that a principle can supplement their salary handsomely through other channels.

[tvbcof]

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

This is happening in italy:

Non sappiamo davvero quanti sono i morti
(We really don't know how many dead are there)

Last week, in a retirement home in the province of Cremona with 460 beds, 18 elderly people with severe respiratory symptoms died in one day. Another nursing home in Mediglia, near Milan, recorded 25 deaths in 23 days: more than one per day. In yet another structure, in the southern suburbs of Milan, there have been sixteen deaths since the beginning of March. Almost everyone before dying showed symptoms and breathing difficulties compatible with those of COVID-19 , Corriere della Sera said , but almost nobody was tested and their deaths escaped the count presented every evening by the Lombardy regional authorities and then from the national ones of the Civil Protection.

There is no way of knowing the exact reasons why these people died, even if their numbers appear abnormal; and local administrators, scholars and doctors are increasingly numerous, considering only the official figures provided on the coronavirus infection to be partial.

Link to translated article

Maybe Italy was instructed to make some demographic shifts happen in exchange for being bailed out by the international banking system.  Think of it as a form of 'austerity'.  Population engineering would be pretty standard 'technocracy' which we will probably all see soon enough.

[squatz1]

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,"

Accelerated mutation and selective evolution is still a natural process. Even assuming there was absolutely no human interference with the evolution of this virus whatsoever, this still doesn't mean it is not a bio-weapon. A naturally evolved virus can still be intentionally released and used as a weapon. Nothing I am saying is even remotely debatable, it is fact.

An "accelerated forced mutation process done by raising many generations of the virus in a targeted environment" is in no way a "natural process." Natural selection is a natural process, which is what the article says was likely to be the case.

You have zero evidence that it is a "bio-weapon" -- that remains conspiracy-driven nonsense. The article concludes that it is likely a virus that either

a. evolved in an animal species through natural selection to be transmitted to a human, or
b. transmitted to a human in a non-pathogenic form and evolved to a pathogenic one afterward.

You are free to argue against the findings of people who actually know what they are talking about in order to keep pressing your own conspiracy theory, and I am free to point out that it relies on nothing but baseless beliefs and a general misunderstanding of biology.

Even if we were to go into the thought process that this was a bio weapon, and to ignore the evidence suggesting the other side of things. Here's where we would get with that.

Who is this bio weapon for? China? China was ravagaed by this virus and many people were infected and died in China. Was it Iran? Same thing happened to them. Who would do this that isn't going to be effected by it in some way? I don't know, this is not something you'd, be able to control and just set it upon one person.

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Hopefully this is some nice news to hear for fillippone and those in widely known affected areas globally with the covid-19 virus outbreak.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/remdesivir-surges-ahead-against-coronavirus
Yet they are giving it to the US and Canada first and not to areas which are having people dying at a volume in the 1000s.

https://www.axios.com/scoop-bayer-to-donate-potential-coronavirus-drug-to-us-cc8c1a5a-6a14-4e36-8b07-07eccf4eff36.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/special-access/drugs/remdesivir.html
Just disturbing how the world works to be honest.