Coronavirus Outbreak

[TECSHARE]

You two are some of the dumbest most willfully ignorant cunts I have ever run across. Yeah why would there be food shortages after:

-droughts
-floods
-trade wars
-early freeze just before harvest
-more floods
-pandemic shutdown for the winter harvest
-pandemic shutdown for spring planting
-everyone at home producing nothing
-government printing money creating massive inflation resulting in a rise in cost in finite resources

What could go wrong? You people have your heads so far up your asses I am surprised you haven't suffocated years ago.

The coronavirus doesn't have to be a hoax for what I presented to be true. Tell me, what about my actual post is factually incorrect?

When you drop those conspiracy/pseudo science blogs in a thread about a global pandemic....you're spreading misinformation at the worst time.

Funny, seems like you just made an ad hominem argument in order to completely avoid responding to factual information. You are the one who defines authoritative sources are you? Suck my dick TwattySqueal.

People are going to die because of your smug self assured attitude. Thousands, possibly even millions. All because of a bunch of silly selfish cunts who would rather stay home and get "free money" then virtue signal about how they are doing the right thing, and condemning anyone who wants to be able to produce the shit they shovel into their mouths like fat cows. Nothing is free dipshit. You think you just bit into a nice juicy worm, wait until the hook digs in. You are going to pay. We are ALL going to pay.

[TECSHARE]

Just posting the full quote since you are a fan of editing out parts you would rather avoid:

You two are some of the dumbest most willfully ignorant cunts I have ever run across. Yeah why would there be food shortages after:

-droughts
-floods
-trade wars
-early freeze just before harvest
-more floods
-pandemic shutdown for the winter harvest
-pandemic shutdown for spring planting
-everyone at home producing nothing
-government printing money creating massive inflation resulting in a rise in cost in finite resources

What could go wrong? You people have your heads so far up your asses I am surprised you haven't suffocated years ago.

The coronavirus doesn't have to be a hoax for what I presented to be true. Tell me, what about my actual post is factually incorrect?

When you drop those conspiracy/pseudo science blogs in a thread about a global pandemic....you're spreading misinformation at the worst time.

Funny, seems like you just made an ad hominem argument in order to completely avoid responding to factual information. You are the one who defines authoritative sources are you? Suck my dick TwattySqueal.

People are going to die because of your smug self assured attitude. Thousands, possibly even millions. All because of a bunch of silly selfish cunts who would rather stay home and get "free money" then virtue signal about how they are doing the right thing, and condemning anyone who wants to be able to produce the shit they shovel into their mouths like fat cows. Nothing is free dipshit. You think you just bit into a nice juicy worm, wait until the hook digs in. You are going to pay. We are ALL going to pay.

[SaltySpitoon]

The economy tanking, people starving, and supply lines being shut down is a valid concern, but these are all things that are already factored into the "official" reopening plans. The plan isn't to wait until the virus is completely gone, its to wait until the projected cases and death toll associated no longer outweighs the economic impact. No one has said, screw the economy lets all sit at home, it makes more economic sense to sit at home until we can get the corona virus under control.

As gruesome as it is, there is someone who's job it was to figure out the value of a human life and the dollar cost of the care involved for patients. Someone ran the numbers on how many people will be asymptomatic, how many people will require minimal care hospitalization, and how many will end up in the ICU. ICU cost on average will run around $140,000. Low care hospitalization around 10-15% of that. Funeral costs are $10k+, lost revenue in taxes from deaths =

I don't think there are very many people that want to sit home and earn $1200 deflated dollars to sit home on their asses, but its pretty tough to justify working at your $8/hr job at walmart when the statistics say you have X% chance of ending up with a lifetime of crippling hospital debt that'll become a financial burden on taxpayers when you can't pay.

[TwitchySeal]

The economy tanking, people starving, and supply lines being shut down is a valid concern, but these are all things that are already factored into the "official" reopening plans. The plan isn't to wait until the virus is completely gone, its to wait until the projected cases and death toll associated no longer outweighs the economic impact. No one has said, screw the economy lets all sit at home, it makes more economic sense to sit at home until we can get the corona virus under control.

As gruesome as it is, there is someone who's job it was to figure out the value of a human life and the dollar cost of the care involved for patients. Someone ran the numbers on how many people will be asymptomatic, how many people will require minimal care hospitalization, and how many will end up in the ICU. ICU cost on average will run around $140,000. Low care hospitalization around 10-15% of that. Funeral costs are $10k+, lost revenue in taxes from deaths =

I don't think there are very many people that want to sit home and earn $1200 deflated dollars to sit home on their asses, but its pretty tough to justify working at your $8/hr job at walmart when the statistics say you have X% chance of ending up with a lifetime of crippling hospital debt that'll become a financial burden on taxpayers when you can't pay.

You also have to factor in the potential economic damage that could come from not having a controlled shut down of the economy. 

What happens to an economy when a country runs out of hospital beds while daily death count is increasing exponentially?  Do we not just end up in the same situation for a longer period of time with way more deaths from both the virus and overwhelmed hospitals? I don't think that's an unrealistic scenario.

In other words, shutting down the economy may have been the best thing to do for the economy.

[SaltySpitoon]

You also have to factor in the potential economic damage that could come from not having a controlled shut down of the economy.

What happens to an economy when a country runs out of hospital beds while daily death count is increasing exponentially?  Do we not just end up in the same situation for a longer period of time with way more deaths from both the virus and overwhelmed hospitals? I don't think that's an unrealistic scenario.

Right, thats what I'm saying was done. In a 100% unrealistic ideal situation, a 14 or 21 day shutdown would 100% wipe out the spread, and we'd be back to normal. Instead in the real world where we can't just hibernate for 14-21 days in pods and then have a switch flip on and emerge, every time anyone gets infected, the timelines shift out. Its already been determined that for every $1 worth of labor someone produces without a mandatory shutdown, it would cost the country/state >$1 until certain requirements are met which I believe at the moment are listed as 14 days of downward trends, appropriate testing capability so you can get tested if you start feeling ill rather than having additional days to spread the virus while you await testing, and appropriate hospital capacity.

Whats ironic is that the people out protesting or those just generally blowing this off and not following guidelines are actively damaging the economy more than had they just sat on their asses at home. As a side note, as far as I know, agriculture is listed as essential business, so you're allowed to plant/work your fields throughout all of this. Truckers are also essential, and they've just had a few contact rules imposed on them at pickup/drop off points. Worst case scenario, we've got enough spam and candy corn to last us a few years!

[TECSHARE]

The economy tanking, people starving, and supply lines being shut down is a valid concern, but these are all things that are already factored into the "official" reopening plans. The plan isn't to wait until the virus is completely gone, its to wait until the projected cases and death toll associated no longer outweighs the economic impact. No one has said, screw the economy lets all sit at home, it makes more economic sense to sit at home until we can get the corona virus under control.

As gruesome as it is, there is someone who's job it was to figure out the value of a human life and the dollar cost of the care involved for patients. Someone ran the numbers on how many people will be asymptomatic, how many people will require minimal care hospitalization, and how many will end up in the ICU. ICU cost on average will run around $140,000. Low care hospitalization around 10-15% of that. Funeral costs are $10k+, lost revenue in taxes from deaths =

I don't think there are very many people that want to sit home and earn $1200 deflated dollars to sit home on their asses, but its pretty tough to justify working at your $8/hr job at walmart when the statistics say you have X% chance of ending up with a lifetime of crippling hospital debt that'll become a financial burden on taxpayers when you can't pay.

Everything you just said is an appeal to authority with extra steps. You have far too much faith in the people who hand down these dictates. Furthermore, in a time where people are already starting to revolt, those in power are incentivized to cause MORE destruction, not less, so that dependence is created on them instead of them just getting thrown out on their asses. Never let a crisis go to waste

You will notice the states which have been hit the worst, that have the most totalitarian dictates, and coincidentally were already in debt and now angling to use this disaster for federal bailouts, are also using this as a way to level the playing field to give themselves a chance in hell of beating Trump. They know they damn well wouldn't be able to do it otherwise. Your suppositions that this is not effecting the supply chain is also infantile. The economy was already showing cracks, it is not going to recover if this continues. You know what happens then? World war. War never costs lives amirite?

[franky1]

world war?

nah.
tell me what state you are in and ill find you a farm job you can do, ill even show you local walkpaths or cycle paths to just get out the house, ill also show you some grocery stores you can go to. and amazon/alibaba/ebay for the rest

there wont be wars fighting over oil.. right now oil suppliers are paying refineries to take it off their hands.

if you think there will be wars on trying to protect fiat. there wont they will just inflate fiat value

give it a few decades and minimum wage could be $10trill an hour and a loaf of bread being $1trill.. thus making the 'debt' repayable back to banks get written off for the price of a car trunk full of bread.

just like government done the maths of which is cheaper to fund, social security or medical care. they do the same maths of do they just cover the 'bank account' insurance and let the banks they owe fail by not paying the banks but protecting the bank customers

the only war i can see is civil war of stupid idiot citizens wanting to cause a fight because they are wrongly informed to be protesting in favour of economy of a dead currency (yep bitcoiners know fiat aint what it used to be), instead of protesting to save lives

once you realise a healthy nurse is more valuable then a bank note you might start to care more about peoples health and not the economy

[TECSHARE]

"FBI conducting raid on Michigan hospital for using intravenous vitamin C"

https://www.wxyz.com/news/fbi-conducting-raid-at-allure-medical-in-shelby-township


"Fewer than half of working Americans will have a paycheck in May as devastating coronavirus layoffs persist"

https://www.businessinsider.com/layoffs-coronavirus-less-than-half-american-workers-paycheck-wage-may-2020-4

[franky1]

"Fewer than half of working Americans will have a paycheck in May as devastating coronavirus layoffs persist"
https://www.businessinsider.com/layoffs-coronavirus-less-than-half-american-workers-paycheck-wage-may-2020-4

this is where many countries governments fail. they should have put stuff into planning in february not march-april to be implemented in may-june

alot of businesses didnt 'furlow' their staff but instead sack them due to knowing they wont have the money in march april may+ to pay staff,
if governments that fully knew of the outbreak in january should have already started planning worse case scenarios. and implemented them at same time as declaring lockdown

in the UK for instance many businesses are told they wont get their 'government grant' until june and should take out a business loan to cover march, april and may and then use the grant to repay the banks

however back in february/march when social distancing and lockdowns began businesses decided to sack staff and make them have to claim social security benefits instead.

i would say to most recently unemployed. to use this oppertunity to change your job, find something new that fit your skills. or find a new niche that can help during this year to make some money.

many coffee shops who know they wont be opening for next 3-6 months converted themselves into food/beverage deliveries. same for some bars/pubs
some are even selling their produce raw... such as flour, eggs, bread, butter, milk, tinned veg/beans and meat directly to customers

truck drivers who used to work for delivering barrels of beer, moved to be a truck driver for grocery stores and distribution centres-regional hubs for things like amazon and mail

[franky1]

"FBI conducting raid on Michigan hospital for using intravenous vitamin C"

https://www.wxyz.com/news/fbi-conducting-raid-at-allure-medical-in-shelby-township

and the real story is.
that place is not even a medical clinic for the vit-c service. but a 'pay cash - get injected' rental space

they are a 'clinic' for skin/vein stuff. but they are offering non-insured services too. and because of this. patients are not covered by any clinic given liability protections.

[tvbcof]

"FBI conducting raid on Michigan hospital for using intravenous vitamin C"

https://www.wxyz.com/news/fbi-conducting-raid-at-allure-medical-in-shelby-township

and the real story is.
that place is not even a medical clinic for the vit-c service. but a 'pay cash - get injected' rental space

they are a 'clinic' for skin/vein stuff. but they are offering non-insured services too. and because of this. patients are not covered by any clinic given liability protections.

Shows how little people trust the official 'public health' system of bureaucrats, hospitals, and doctors these days.

Last time I did a binge watch for 'DIY home surgery' the U.S. led the world in vid count.  Probably censored by youtube these days.

[SaltySpitoon]

Everything you just said is an appeal to authority with extra steps. You have far too much faith in the people who hand down these dictates. Furthermore, in a time where people are already starting to revolt, those in power are incentivized to cause MORE destruction, not less, so that dependence is created on them instead of them just getting thrown out on their asses. Never let a crisis go to waste

You will notice the states which have been hit the worst, that have the most totalitarian dictates, and coincidentally were already in debt and now angling to use this disaster for federal bailouts, are also using this as a way to level the playing field to give themselves a chance in hell of beating Trump. They know they damn well wouldn't be able to do it otherwise. Your suppositions that this is not effecting the supply chain is also infantile. The economy was already showing cracks, it is not going to recover if this continues. You know what happens then? World war. War never costs lives amirite?

I know the people who hand down these dictates and trust them personally. Its the medical team at Johns Hopkins telling the government what they'd recommend. The government then independently verifies what they've been recommended, and passes the information on via official channels (CDC). The governors then decide where to go from there. The states that have been hit the worst have had to enact more strict measures, not the other way around. I'm inclined to believe that theres not a whole lot of trickery going on here because theres no incentive. The government is losing revenue and has to deal with annoyed citizens. The medical teams are getting paid less and working more hours, most people don't strive for a lose-lose situation. The federal bailout is an absolute joke, the amount of money given to the states for all of this is laughable. The money is going to corporations for stock buybacks, but at least multi million dollar corporation's CEOs will be in good positions once this is over.

I didn't say that it isn't effecting the supply chain, I said that the supply chain isn't broken, because those people involved are designated as essential. Everything has already been calculated. Shutting down is the cheapest solution. None of this is unprecedented. All of these measures have already been done by a handful of countries in the past 20 years for localized outbreaks (SARS in Canada, MERS in Korea, Ebola in Africa)

The self centered attitude of Americans is astounding to me. We're not the only country dealing with this, every country is the world is, and plenty to the same extent we are. We're just the only ones stupid enough to think that we're better off listening to idiots than doctors. Then we get severely more ill than everyone else and blame those doctors that we don't listen to in the first place.

[Tash]

"FBI conducting raid on Michigan hospital for using intravenous vitamin C"

https://www.wxyz.com/news/fbi-conducting-raid-at-allure-medical-in-shelby-township

and the real story is.
that place is not even a medical clinic for the vit-c service. but a 'pay cash - get injected' rental space

they are a 'clinic' for skin/vein stuff. but they are offering non-insured services too. and because of this. patients are not covered by any clinic given liability protections.

Shows how little people trust the official 'public health' system of bureaucrats, hospitals, and doctors these days.

Last time I did a binge watch for 'DIY home surgery' the U.S. led the world in vid count.  Probably censored by youtube these days.

Any trust is gone when hospitals get paid to have sick people and receive more for something which in most cases makes things worse, 80-90% of patients put on ventilator die. ER doctors are being pressured to add Covid-19 to death reports.
US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator


In other news places with no recorded COVID-19 dis ease
North Korea
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Lesotho
Comoros
Solomon Islands
Sahrawi Arab Dem. Rep.
Vanuatu
Samoa
Kiribati
Federated States of Micronesia
Tonga
Marshall Islands
South Ossetia
American Samoa
Palau
Cook Islands
Tuvalu
Wallis and Futuna
Nauru
Saint Helena
Svalbard
Christmas Islands
Norfolk Islands
Niue
Tokelau
Somaliland
Republic of Artsakh
Republic of Abkhazia
Transnistria
Ascension Islands
Cocos Islands
Tristan da Cunha
Pitcain Islands

[franky1]

Any trust is gone when hospitals get paid to have sick people and receive more for something which in most cases makes things worse, 80-90% of patients put on ventilator die. ER doctors are being pressured to add Covid-19 to death reports.
US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator

first of all i agree US medical system is about profit. but not for the nurses but the chiefs that own the building.
this is why UK/canada and other public health system is better
US is known to decline treatment if someone doesnt have the right insurance coverage. or is thrown into debt
but thats the administration problem of economics. not the medicine
which is an example of a failure of capitalist for the US

secondly
'clinics' have their own rules because usually those doctors are also the managing partners/owners of the clinic so they are more in it for the money.
its these clinics that started the painkiller addict situation over the last 20 years
again an example capitalisms flaws

thirdly
the 80-90% is an outright lie. its much lower.
but if people dont get oxygen.. guess what that would be 100% death in 10 minutes

fourthly
hospitals get paid the same amount for things whether a ventilator is needed for X or Y. its the same cost.
what you have not researched is that the insurance provider is getting recouped by government/state budget instead of using their standard insurance reserves.
in short hospitals do not get more.
..

now lets actually deal with the fake stuff said about death certificates
when a patient enters a hospital with cough fever and breathing issues. they are swabbed and test is sent off
the patient is then given treatment for the symptoms they are presenting. and also given xrays and ct scans and bloo d samples to see if it has progressed to have damaged any organs.
patients are given treatment for all the things diagnosed.

if the eventually die. its not just shown as 'covid death' like some idiots think
the patient usually dies from a few complications and its these complications that are listed. such as hypoxia
the death certificate includes the details of the pneumonia and the covid test results and the other symptoms. and it all builds up a diagnoses that is a now known symptomology of covid death.

doctors dont just find a random patient in a morgue and write 'covid' on their toe tag

[tvbcof]

Any trust is gone when hospitals get paid to have sick people and receive more for something which in most cases makes things worse, 80-90% of patients put on ventilator die. ER doctors are being pressured to add Covid-19 to death reports.
US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator

...
doctors dont just find a random patient in a morgue and write 'covid' on their toe tag

For a cool $12,000 I'll bet the do it all the time, and especially after the CDC assured doctors that they would NOT be checking up on cause-of-death.

The only question I have is how many people they decide to label 'covid-19' and bump off a little bit before the maker would be calling them home.

Even before this 'balognavirus scamdemic' I counciled aging people to not go to the hospital without a healthy person standing by and watching like a hawk.  Now because of the scamdemic family members are not allowed to accompany their parents into the office.  How convenient.

[franky1]

Any trust is gone when hospitals get paid to have sick people and receive more for something which in most cases makes things worse, 80-90% of patients put on ventilator die. ER doctors are being pressured to add Covid-19 to death reports.
US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator

...
doctors dont just find a random patient in a morgue and write 'covid' on their toe tag

For a cool $12,000 I'll bet the do it all the time, and especially after the CDC assured doctors that they would NOT be checking up on cause-of-death.

to correct you seeing as your having another ignorant/naive day again
a death certificate does not say "died of covid"

a death certificate would show things like hypoxia, pneumonia, cough fever, it would include test results of scans, blood and mucus. and its the combination of all of that which forms the bases of a covid death.

for instance of someone has just a cough due to covid. and is riding a motorbike and crashes and goes to hospital for being impaled on a spike. dying due to blood loss. even if he is also tested for covid. the death would be a road trafic accident
hospitals do not gain from just throwing random people into a covid coffin
hospitals get paid to treat patients for the SYMPTOMS they are suffering from.

separately in a different office that is not part of the covid reporting..
insurance companies get paid for any treatment linked to covid.

so in the case of a road traffic accident. the insurance company would only get money back from the covid test. but all other treatments they paid the hospital comes out of the insurance companies bank account

[SaltySpitoon]

Any trust is gone when hospitals get paid to have sick people and receive more for something which in most cases makes things worse, 80-90% of patients put on ventilator die. ER doctors are being pressured to add Covid-19 to death reports.
US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator

...
doctors dont just find a random patient in a morgue and write 'covid' on their toe tag

For a cool $12,000 I'll bet the do it all the time, and especially after the CDC assured doctors that they would NOT be checking up on cause-of-death.

The only question I have is how many people they decide to label 'covid-19' and bump off a little bit before the maker would be calling them home.

Even before this 'balognavirus scamdemic' I counciled aging people to not go to the hospital without a healthy person standing by and watching like a hawk.  Now because of the scamdemic family members are not allowed to accompany their parents into the office.  How convenient.

Hospitals in the US makes billions of dollars per year. It makes absolute perfect sense to risk billions in steady income for $12k. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and lets say that hospital administration is corrupt and willing to deal with ten thousand fold repercussions, the actual people who's job it is to write 'covid' on their toe tag aren't seeing any of that money. How much of that $12k would you need to pay to someone with an already decent salary to make them risk their job, license, and medical degree? And once again, no one is going to catch wind of that and blow any whistles I'm sure. No chance of getting caught when you're in rural Iowa and ticking off numbers that are scrutinized and analyzed by 50 different agencies I'm sure.

I think most of us can probably come to the agreement that people will generally operate in self interest. The people who do steady business here on Bitcointalk are less likely to scam someone over 0.01 BTC if it means a loss of 1 BTC in revenue over the next (insert timeframe). Even with almost no accountability, more often than not we find this to be the case. So even if you don't trust hospitals, it makes reasonable sense that they aren't going to get themselves in trouble for an hour's revenue.

[tvbcof]

Any trust is gone when hospitals get paid to have sick people and receive more for something which in most cases makes things worse, 80-90% of patients put on ventilator die. ER doctors are being pressured to add Covid-19 to death reports.
US: Hospitals Get Paid $13K to List Patients as COVID-19 and $39K to Put Them on a Ventilator

...
doctors dont just find a random patient in a morgue and write 'covid' on their toe tag

For a cool $12,000 I'll bet the do it all the time, and especially after the CDC assured doctors that they would NOT be checking up on cause-of-death.

The only question I have is how many people they decide to label 'covid-19' and bump off a little bit before the maker would be calling them home.

Even before this 'balognavirus scamdemic' I counciled aging people to not go to the hospital without a healthy person standing by and watching like a hawk.  Now because of the scamdemic family members are not allowed to accompany their parents into the office.  How convenient.

Hospitals in the US makes billions of dollars per year. It makes absolute perfect sense to risk billions in steady income for $12k. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and lets say that hospital administration is corrupt and willing to deal with ten thousand fold repercussions, the actual people who's job it is to write 'covid' on their toe tag aren't seeing any of that money. How much of that $12k would you need to pay to someone with an already decent salary to make them risk their job, license, and medical degree? And once again, no one is going to catch wind of that and blow any whistles I'm sure. No chance of getting caught when you're in rural Iowa and ticking off numbers that are scrutinized and analyzed by 50 different agencies I'm sure.

So doctors don't help their organization make easy money?  You must be pretty naive.

As for losing a license and what-not, it's much more likely that a doctor or hospital will lose more than just an extra $12,000 per person if the do NOT help perpetuate the fraud that the CDC so desperately wants.

[SaltySpitoon]

So doctors don't help their organization make easy money?  You must be pretty naive.

As for losing a license and what-not, it's much more likely that a doctor or hospital will lose more than just an extra $12,000 per person if the do NOT help perpetuate the fraud that the CDC so desperately wants.

Would you be willing to commit a serious crime and risk 8+ years of your life and $500k plus any potential jail time you'd face so that your employer could earn 1/700th of their daily profit? Again... why would the CDC want to perpetuate the whole corona virus thing. Government does not want you to stop working and giving them a portion of your paycheck. What they really don't want however is to have to pay your medical bill when you can't afford it, and stop receiving your money because you're dead.

[TECSHARE]

I know the people who hand down these dictates and trust them personally. Its the medical team at Johns Hopkins telling the government what they'd recommend. The government then independently verifies what they've been recommended, and passes the information on via official channels (CDC). The governors then decide where to go from there. The states that have been hit the worst have had to enact more strict measures, not the other way around. I'm inclined to believe that theres not a whole lot of trickery going on here because theres no incentive. The government is losing revenue and has to deal with annoyed citizens. The medical teams are getting paid less and working more hours, most people don't strive for a lose-lose situation. The federal bailout is an absolute joke, the amount of money given to the states for all of this is laughable. The money is going to corporations for stock buybacks, but at least multi million dollar corporation's CEOs will be in good positions once this is over.

I didn't say that it isn't effecting the supply chain, I said that the supply chain isn't broken, because those people involved are designated as essential. Everything has already been calculated. Shutting down is the cheapest solution. None of this is unprecedented. All of these measures have already been done by a handful of countries in the past 20 years for localized outbreaks (SARS in Canada, MERS in Korea, Ebola in Africa)

The self centered attitude of Americans is astounding to me. We're not the only country dealing with this, every country is the world is, and plenty to the same extent we are. We're just the only ones stupid enough to think that we're better off listening to idiots than doctors. Then we get severely more ill than everyone else and blame those doctors that we don't listen to in the first place.

Oh, well you know them! That makes your argument completely not anecdotal and an appeal to authority right? You believe do you? Have you had your eyes welded shut the last 4 years? Have you not seen the insane lengths some of these districts will go to in order to try to fabricate some kind of scandal or disaster to throw at Trump to give themselves a chance in hell at being able to unseat him via hook or crook? Do you think they are above intentionally cratering the economy to depose him and to create the socialist UBI system they have been trying to push for years? I don't.

This isn't about claiming the virus isn't real or that people shouldn't take precautions. I notice any time anyone objects people love to claim that it is either you support all these totalitarian restrictions or you want to "do nothing". This is about these restrictions being used intentionally as a vector to crater the economy to force a very large portion of the US population into dependence on the government. What could go wrong depending on the government to feed and house you right?

Furthermore this IS breaking the supply chain. Do you think all these producers who are shutting down now because of these restrictions are going to be able to open back up? Of course not. You like to imagine that everything important is designated as essential and therefore everything is fine. That is not how it works in reality. Also you have no concept of how delicate the modern "just in time" supply chain is. These interruptions have dealt critical blows to our supply chain infrastructure, and the longer we let it bleed out the more our capacity to recover dwindles.

The results of the loss of this capacity is not just about profit, it is how all of us are fed, housed, and medically cared for. The number of people effected by this illness is a tiny fraction of the death and pain that will result from this loss of production capacity. Regarding these states begging for federal bail outs, just watch. They are using this situation to claim that is why they were in this position, not because of their own horrible mismanagement, but because of the virus. They will extend the lock downs as long as possible to create even more pressure to push federal bailouts. You watch as the cries for this grow louder.

Self centered? You know what is self centered? People like you who want to stay safe at home collecting "free money" while the people who feed you are losing everything because you think those in charge got it all figured out and would never steer us wrong. What does us being not the only nation dealing with this have to do with anything besides a pathetic appeal to emotion on your part? You know what else effects other nations? When food shortages start here in any scale, poor nations have FAMINE. Not shortages, millions die. Make some more appeals to emotion and tell me about being self centered again you twat.